The Venom Discussion

[Venom Drool]

harry 'hired' ock already. it would be redundant

 

[DroolingforGwen]

We wont see the scientific experiment gone awry again though... so it might have to be something else... including the Dock hiring which i have mentioned before... that's why the case is still out on Harry hiring Sandman for the kill...

 

[Timstuff]

Personally I prefer the "Hulkified" version of Venom.

 

[The Spot]

Personally I prefer the "Hulkified" version of Venom.

Agreed.

 

[Pagrebo]

We wont see the scientific experiment gone awry again though... so it might have to be something else... including the Dock hiring which i have mentioned before... that's why the case is still out on Harry hiring Sandman for the kill...

Heck, half the Spidey universe, even half the superhero universe, is based on science experiments gone awry. While it is redundant, it will be used again- maybe not in SM3, but somewhere down the road.

 

[Symbiotica]

Personally I prefer the "Hulkified" version of Venom.

Ah, but that conflicts with the production's "artistic version" of what Venom should look like, i.e. he should be a "twin" of Spidey... so I doubt you're going to see that.

 

[The Kid]

That's just like I said a while a go. Topher draws a better parallel with tobey than some muscled guy. He's weak, he wants power, he gets power and becomes mr. buff and kicks spiderman's butt. He's the anti-spiderman, yes. And he uses his power irresponsibly. I'm on a roll tonight.

 

[Timstuff]

Ah, but that conflicts with the production's "artistic version" of what Venom should look like, i.e. he should be a "twin" of Spidey... so I doubt you're going to see that.

They haven't even officially aknowledged Venom being in the film, how could you possibly know this?

My guess is that Brock will be very physically similar to Peter Parker, but when he's in the symbiot suit he's going to be way bigger. Wether it's through prosthetics over a stunt man, or a fully CGI creature, I don't know. But I'd put money on the idea that Brock increases in size when he's transformed.

 

[symbioticspaz]

I know I've tossed this idea out before. Maybe here, someone might think its a semi decent idea, or at least comment on it. Anyways, whenever I pictured someone playing Brock, I thought WWE wrestler Triple H woulda been good. Not so much for acting, but looks. Get rid of the ponytail, buzz it down a bit. Brock was huge before the costume, why not have a huge guy playing him?

 

[Red]

harry 'hired' ock already. it would be redundant

And yet i can see it happening

 

[Venom Drool]

And yet i can see it happening

and if it does a part of me will die

 

[wolfsfang]

Maybe the connection between Sandman and Spidey is something simple like before he gets his powers Flint is one of the many low level crooks that Spidey beats up and sends to jail. Then when he later gets his powers he wants revenge

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

I know I've tossed this idea out before. Maybe here, someone might think its a semi decent idea, or at least comment on it. Anyways, whenever I pictured someone playing Brock, I thought WWE wrestler Triple H woulda been good. Not so much for acting, but looks. Get rid of the ponytail, buzz it down a bit. Brock was huge before the costume, why not have a huge guy playing him?

I really think their going the "Ultimate Spider-Man" route for Venom. They already paralleled in the first comic and the film in many ways. Pete and MJ neighbors and in the same HS. Pete and Harry being friends before college. Norman osborn becoming the green goblin at exactly the same time (although the mutation was a little much). After the second act of the film it took a different route, but the structure was very similar in the first to the first of that series. I really have no idea how Doc Ock was introduced in the series, but I'm would hazard a guess that it was similar. I think Eddie is a colleague/rival to Peter, a little older, maybe they knew each other from college. Pete is out scooping him a'la the original story. Brock hates him and Spidey. Pete works as an intern to Doc Connors and they develop the substance/suit. Pete accidentally spills some. Black Spidey suit emerges. Suit becomes sentient. Spidey realizes... blah,blah,blah....(you know the rest). Brock becomes venom. Probably a set up for number four. About the only thing that really puzzles me is why introduce Gwen Stacy so late in the game? Are they gonna kill her off, or MJ instead? We have over a year to speculate. Weee, fun.

UQ

 

[wolfgang]

About the only thing that really puzzles me is why introduce Gwen Stacy so late in the game? Are they gonna kill her off, or MJ instead? We have over a year to speculate. Weee, fun.

My gut is telling me that Harry kills MJ in 3 and Gwen takes her place as Peters love interest.

 

[jswalker]

Maybe the connection between Sandman and Spidey is something simple like before he gets his powers Flint is one of the many low level crooks that Spidey beats up and sends to jail. Then when he later gets his powers he wants revenge

I wouldn't mind seeing that plot followed through. Am I the only one that hates Fox owning the rights to the Kingpin?? There could be so many other alleys to travel down if Sony could use the Kingpin instead of just Harry dishing out the money.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Personally I prefer the "Hulkified" version of Venom.

Amen.

 

[Venom Drool]

Personally I prefer the "Hulkified" version of Venom.

classic venom rules above all

 

[Symbiotica]

They haven't even officially aknowledged Venom being in the film, how could you possibly know this?

Well, there's that little thing known as the black-suit picture. It gives us a fair guesstimate that we'll be facing this problem.

No one would be more delighted than me for me to be wrong on this, but for now that is how it looks.

[...] But I'd put money on the idea that Brock increases in size when he's transformed.

... and I wouldn't. If they were going to have some giant increase in size, they'd have hired a bigger actor.

Do I hate the idea of 135-lb. Brock? Yes. Do I think its stupid? Yes. Are they going to go with 135-lb. Brock? Right now its looking like "yes." I hate that badly enough, in fact, to avoid the final release.

 

[Visionary]

Yeah, right, and I'm the Pope Of New York.

 

[wolfgang]

Well, there's that little thing known as the black-suit picture. It gives us a fair guesstimate that we'll be facing this problem.

Is it really a problem?

... and I wouldn't. If they were going to have some giant increase in size, they'd have hired a bigger actor.

That contradicts itself. If they were going to have an increase in size they would go with a smaller actor. Eric Bana isn't Hulk sized is he?

Do I hate the idea of 135-lb. Brock? Yes. Do I think its stupid? Yes. Are they going to go with 135-lb. Brock? Right now its looking like "yes." I hate that badly enough, in fact, to avoid the final release.

Sorry you're going to let something like that hold you back from seeing what is sure to be a rockin' movie.

 

[Symbiotica]

Well, there's that little thing known as the black-suit picture. It gives us a fair guesstimate that we'll be facing this problem.

Is it really a problem?

If you think 135-lb. Brock is a problem, then yeah it is.

That contradicts itself. If they were going to have an increase in size they would go with a smaller actor. Eric Bana isn't Hulk sized is he?

Glad you brought this up, because it helps illustrate my point! Was there anything sillier-looking than that giant CGI Hulk? There probably is, but still... all-CGI Venom would look just as silly. My criterion are tough but fair: if I can tell its CGI, then it's BAD CGI. I could certainly tell the Hulk was CGI. Just slightly.

Sorry you're going to let something like that hold you back from seeing what is sure to be a rockin' movie.

Pffft, as of right now this movie has Fabulous Disaster written all over it. It has at least three too many subplots, we're backtracking and jumping timelines and bringing in boring villains and God knows what-all.

 

[wolfgang]

Glad you brought this up, because it helps illustrate my point! Was there anything sillier-looking than that giant CGI Hulk? There probably is, but still... all-CGI Venom would look just as silly. My criterion are tough but fair: if I can tell its CGI, then it's BAD CGI. I could certainly tell the Hulk was CGI. Just slightly.

Really? You mean you didn't believe they found a bright green, 10 foot tall struggling actor with arms like tree trunks capable of spinning tanks and jumping canyons?

Of course you could tell it was CGI.

I could tell that the original Star Wars wasn't actually filmed in space. It's still a good movie.

 

[wolfsfang]

Really? You mean you didn't believe they found a bright green, 10 foot tall struggling actor with arms like tree trunks capable of spinning tanks and jumping canyons?

Of course you could tell it was CGI.

I could tell that the original Star Wars wasn't actually filmed in space. It's still a good movie.

I think he means that good CGI should appear real so that you forget you are seeing a CGI image and believe it to be a real person. Hulk LOOKED CGI so it was not possible to suspend belief and accept what you were seeing was real

 

[Carter]

I almost walked out of Hulk
The ending is atrocious

 

[Symbiotica]

I think he means that good CGI should appear real so that you forget you are seeing a CGI image and believe it to be a real person. Hulk LOOKED CGI so it was not possible to suspend belief and accept what you were seeing was real

At least ONE person out there "gets it." Thank you.