The Villains Problem

[2kt09]

"Worst villain behind Malekith" meaning he would be second worst. Sorry, should have been more clear.

Either way, that's still not the case for me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually didn't mind Ronan. As a big fan of the comic book character though, they better bring him back. As it's a huge waste of potential killing him off.

 

[StormC]

Either way, that's still not the case for me.

Only villain that might have been more forgettable to me is Kaecilius, who at least had a nice scene where he talks about immortality to Strange. Nothing Ronan did stood out to me, he would stop a great movie dead in his tracks whenever he took focus of a scene.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

By himself I didn't hate Ares, certainly not on the level of Doom, Luthor, Enchantress, Electro, etc. But I did really dislike how his introduction takes the movie in a new, uninteresting direction and has a lousy final fight. I can't get by the fact that the movie gets significantly worse immediately after his reveal.

 

[2kt09]

Only villain that might have been more forgettable to me is Kaecilius, who at least had a nice scene where he talks about immortality to Strange. Nothing Ronan did stood out to me, he would stop a great movie dead in his tracks whenever he took focus of a scene.

What about his conversation with Thanos? or how he dealt with Drax?
or how he was distracted?
All those felt completely in line with what the movie was going for.

I legit do keep forgetting what Mads' character is called.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What about his conversation with Thanos? or how he dealt with Drax?
or how he was distracted?
All those felt completely in line with what the movie was going for.

I legit do keep forgetting what Mads' character is called.

Agreed on Ronan, he had several memorable moments. Kaecilius had one and that was it. He was basically a stand in character until Dormammu showed up.

 

[StormC]

What about his conversation with Thanos? or how he dealt with Drax?
or how he was distracted?

First two didn't really do anything for me, the last one was more about Star-Lord than Ronan, really (assuming you're talking about the dancing scene).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For Ronan throw in him killing The Other and first defying then threatening Thanos once he had the infinity stone as memorable moments.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

For Ronan throw in him killing The Other and first defying then threatening Thanos once he had the infinity stone as memorable moments.

If those count I don't see how only one of, say, the speech about immortality, killing the Ancient One, "Mr Doctor" talk and executing the librarian counts. Easily on the same level.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If those count I don't see how only one of, say, the speech about immortality, killing the Ancient One, "Mr Doctor" talk and executing the librarian counts. Easily on the same level.

Have to disagree. Killing the Ancient was something I saw coming, so it didn't shock me like the death of The Other, who had previously been pushing Loki around and so seemed powerful himself. The most memorable thing about The Ancient Ones death was her speech to Strange as she was dying, which Kaecilius was absent for.

His speech about immortality was good, and Mads acted it brilliantly, but did he really think Dormammu would grant him it? It made him look a bit foolish to me in the end.

The "Mr Doctor" talk was nothing to me. Think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Kaecilius was literally a stand in villain until Dormammu showed up. Ronan at least tried to take matters into his own hands and defied his puppet master.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Have to disagree. Killing the Ancient was something I saw coming, so it didn't shock me like the death of The Other, who had previously been pushing Loki around and so seemed powerful himself. The most memorable thing about The Ancient Ones death was her speech to Strange as she was dying, which Kaecilius was absent for.

His speech about immortality was good, and Mads acted it brilliantly, but did he really think Dormammu would grant him it? It made him look a bit foolish to me in the end.

The "Mr Doctor" talk was nothing to me. Think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Kaecilius was literally a stand in villain until Dormammu showed up. Ronan at least tried to take matters into his own hands and defied his puppet master.

The Ancient One was the most powerful person in the movie. The Other was nothing but a mouthpiece that acted on authority of someone in power. Loki never appeared afraid of The Other but about that of which he spoke. The GotG scene is all Thanos.

I don't know if it's particularly foolish to be tricked by one of the most powerful beings in the universe. I'm sure Dormammu can be convincing when he wants to, plus Kaecilius probably knew about the Ancient One's ties to the Dark Dimension.

Many people have referenced that thing so clearly it's memorable, which is what was talked about. There's no problem with disagreeing, and I enjoyed Ronan as well. Praising him over Kaecilius isn't as weird as doing the same with the failure known as Ares.

 

[TeeKay]

By himself I didn't hate Ares, certainly not on the level of Doom, Luthor, Enchantress, Electro, etc. But I did really dislike how his introduction takes the movie in a new, uninteresting direction and has a lousy final fight. I can't get by the fact that the movie gets significantly worse immediately after his reveal.

Agreed. I couldn't take Ares seriously at all. He was a moustache twirling villain to the point of hilarity.

 

[Boy Scout]

No he wasn't.

I understand him being underwhelming, but he wasn't "moustache twirling."

 

[TeeKay]

I meant the way he looked before he turned. Someone described him as looking monopoly man. And I agree. It don't help when he started spouting cheesy bad dialogue when he turned. I don't think think he was underwhelming. He didn't belong in WW.

 

[Ivan Drago]

No he wasn't.

I understand him being underwhelming, but he wasn't "moustache twirling."

Ares shows up in a "surprise" appearance and explains his evil plan to Diana. He even has a silly moustache during his God form.

Then they give him literally every cliché villain line.

"LIES."

"Join Me."

"Oh my dear you have so much to learn."

"Is that all you have to offer?"

"They do not deserve your protection."

"It is futile to imagine you can win, give up Diana."

"I WILL DESTROOY YOU!!!!" (so much cringe).

There's also the bit where Ares goes full Darth Sidious during the fight and tells Diana to give in to her hate and kill Dr. Poison.

 

[TeeKay]

I couldn't take him seriously in the armour with that moustache and spouting lines like Ivan pointed out there. David is a good actor but this was a nope. Even he couldn't save it.

 

[Mjölnir]

I couldn't take him seriously in the armour with that moustache and spouting lines like Ivan pointed out there. David is a good actor but this was a nope. Even he couldn't save it.

So you're telling me that this face doesn't immediately make you think of the Greek god of war?

 

[2kt09]

So you're telling me that this face doesn't immediately make you think of the Greek god of war?

Exactly that was the point. He even had a cane.

Doesn't make him that interesting in the long run, though.

 

[Mjölnir]

Exactly that was the point. He even had a cane.

Doesn't make him that interesting in the long run, though.

I wasn't talking about how he looked at that stage, as that could easily have just been a disguise. I'm talking about when he reveals himself as Ares, gathers his armor... and still looks like a slightly goofy, older, British gentleman. It's especially the style of the mustache that makes it funny. Not that it was the biggest problem with him, but it was quite funny to me and, apparently, some others in my audience.

 

[Guard82]

"Join Me."

A worthy villain like Darth Vader can pull off this line in the right context. Unfortunately, Ares is very far from being Darth Vader.

 

[2kt09]

I wasn't talking about how he looked at that stage, as that could easily have just been a disguise. I'm talking about when he reveals himself as Ares, gathers his armor... and still looks like a slightly goofy, older, British gentleman. Not that it was the biggest problem with him, but it was quite funny to me and, apparently, some others in my audience.

That action figure went to waste. King Arthur did the look better.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I still can't understand the laughing scene in WW after they locked the door. it was really jarring.

Yeah, that's some rock bottom cbm stuff. Like early 2000's bad.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Ancient One was the most powerful person in the movie. The Other was nothing but a mouthpiece that acted on authority of someone in power. Loki never appeared afraid of The Other but about that of which he spoke. The GotG scene is all Thanos.

I don't know if it's particularly foolish to be tricked by one of the most powerful beings in the universe. I'm sure Dormammu can be convincing when he wants to, plus Kaecilius probably knew about the Ancient One's ties to the Dark Dimension.

Many people have referenced that thing so clearly it's memorable, which is what was talked about. There's no problem with disagreeing, and I enjoyed Ronan as well. Praising him over Kaecilius isn't as weird as doing the same with the failure known as Ares.

Dormammu was the most powerful character in the movie, not TAO. And Loki showed fear of the other before and after their conversation. The GOTG is all Thanos because Thanos takes notice when Ronan defies him. Many people cited that moment as a "holy crap!" Moment when the movie was released. Nothing Kaecilius did seemed to garner that reaction.

But he is Dormammu, the movie told us what he was so Kaecilius must have known as well. It still made him and his followers seem a bit thick.

Honestly you are the first person I have seen reference the "Mr Doctor" exchange. To me it was just another funny exchange in a movie full of unneeded ones. Though I will say it was one of the more clever ones, it's not what I would call memorable.

I don't see how you can call Ares a failure and defend Kaecilius personally, both were called out by critics. It's not as if one received more praise than the other and vice versa. I personally found Ares serviceable (though happily admit the "I WILL DESTROY YOU" line was poorly done), were as Kaecilius was forgettable. Dormammu left more of an impression in 10 mins of screen time. As did Mordo in the after credits scene.

Again, we will have to agree to disagree, we are clearly on different thought paths here.

 

[TeeKay]

If we do a poll here between Ares and Kaecilius, I'm 99% sure Kaecilius will come out on top. At least Kaecilius had the monologue and was a serviceable villain, Ares had what?

 

[hafizbat]

Yeah, that's some rock bottom cbm stuff. Like early 2000's bad.

Yeah it looked like it was straight outta Batman and Robin.