"The Walking Dead" developed by Frank Darabont and AMC - Part 4

[Donut]

Shane has every right to tell Rick "I told you so" if things go south with Randall

 

[craigdbfan]

Dale was wrong but he didn't deserve to go out so horribly. It was an agonizingly long death and it was sort of hard to watch.

Really sad scene.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Is that verified? If so, that's very disappointing.

My thoughts on this:

I'll keep watching the show as time goes on to see if Dale could have indeed benefited as a character had they kept him on longer. I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet.

I like how even readers of the comic are surprised by things like this. And I was ****ing surprised. Just stunned. It's what keeps the show interesting from my perspective. I don't want to be looking at my watch knowing when a character is about to die. Plus, it keeps with the ideas that no one in this series is safe. Anyone can go at anytime. It will only get worse, but I liked how they showed it with Dale especially.

Loved Dale, especially in this episode. He was so right. Even though they couldn't figure out what to do with him if he lived, they just wanted to kill him. It's a human beings life and they're just not really considering that they could slaughter a human being. I also liked Dale's mention of how they wouldn't watch him die, just stay away and not wanting to be apart of it, which would be contradictory to their wanting of him dead anyway. A main struggle and idea is how to retain humanity from the previous world and see if people can survive with those previous learnings and ways. Or, since the world from before is totally gone, is there a good enough reason to keep everything. It's such a fascinating idea. And I liked the impact of his death. At least he left on a strong note.

Now there could be consequences with letting Randall live. No doubt there could be, since that makes compelling television. But at least Rick kept his humanity with that. Although there will be more to it.

I also think a huge reason he didn't want to kill Randall was seeing how the world is turning Carl into a cold and apathetic person. Rick was horrified to see his son asking to kill a man. He still wants to maintain hope and humanity in this world for his son. It's one of the things Rick struggles with. [SPOILERThough later he will do horrible things people wouldn't think of doing in a civilized world. All these things makes Rick go crazy at times. [/SPOILER]

But if I think about it, in the comics, the most thing we got out of it was the relationship between him and Andrea. Other than that he was just a nice and reasonable character that was there until his own death in the comics.

Now with this double whammy of Sophia and Dale, I

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am seriously doubting that Shane is going to die by the end of this season.

Well,I hate to disappoint you, but

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Shane is a goner. Rick kills him in next week's episode, and then Carl kills Zombie-Shane.

So there's that.

 

[Poeman]

You should watch more television.

haha agreed...Walking Dead is not even the best show on its own channel

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So far Rick has been all about self defense.

But killing defenseless people (tied up Russel and dying Dale) isn't in his skill set.

It's the final line he refuses to cross.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

haha agreed...Walking Dead is not even the best show on its own channel

It's currently the biggest highlight of my tv schedule and I'm not afraid to admit it.

 

[chamber-music]

Since when do Zombies have super strength on this show

Carl was so annoying in this episode.

Great performance by the guy who plays dale.

Daryl remains my favourite character and one of the few in the group with any common sense.

 

[Tonicky]

Poor Dale he was my 3rd favorite character on the show after Daryl and Glenn...who will take his place defiantly none of the women on the show or Shane.

Carl- is boring,annoying and kind creepy
Rick- maybe
Hershel- maybe
T-Dog- if they give him character depth who knows.
Jimmy- is worse than T-dog

 

[KALEL114]

Is that verified? If so, that's very disappointing.

Yeah, according to Ausiello. This was his article in Novemeber:

UPDATE: Blind Item Revealed!

How’s your vision today? Good? Good, ’cause you’re gonna wanna be 20/20 or better for today’s Blind Item. It concerns one of the stars of AMC’s The Walking Dead and their desire to… well, walk.
The backstage drama all started when series creator Frank Darabont was ousted. A whole lotta people were upset, you’ll recall, and this one person, so much so that he/she asked to be released from his/her contract. But, according to my moles, a funny thing happened between the time the request was made and when it was potentially granted.
A change of heart.
Now this member of the ensemble wants to stay. But it may be too late. (Even my sources don’t know for sure at this point whether the character is going to be written off, although one insider insists he/she ultimately got their wish.)

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/walking-dead-quit-season-2/

The update confirms that Dale (Jeffery DeMunn) was was the one he was referring to.

 

[zanos]

I would have preferred Dale be eaten by humans, it's funnier.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Spoilers for next week-

Spoiler

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done *beep* up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I wonder if the death of Dale means an expanded role for Hershel. I think a lot of people have been assuming that when they leave the farm, Hershel will be dead or written out. I wonder if Hershel is going to become a permanent fixture and fill Dale's role? I'd be fine with that. I really like how they've developed Hershel.

LOL there will be a scene in next week's episode where the group is burying Dale and a breeze comes along and blows his 1970's sitcom nosey neighbor hat into Hershel's feet and he picks it up and plops on his head with some epic score playing in the background.

 

[chamber-music]

Spoilers for next week-

Spoiler

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done *beep* up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

sounds cool

Daryl is sherlock holmes now

 

[Kane52630]

Spoilers for next week-

Spoiler

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done *beep* up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

Awesome.

 

[craigdbfan]

Spoilers for next week-

Spoiler

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done *beep* up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

Sounds pretty damn good. Daryl

 

[The Demon's Head]

And the guy who posted these spoilers says he won't spoil the finale because it's too awesome.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah, I'm staying away from any spoilers regarding the season finale.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I love how the same zombie who was stuck in mud for 10 minutes while Carl lamely threw rocks at his head now has the strength not only disembowel Dale with his bare hands, but also a large cattle.

Outside of that, solid episode, although the scene where Hershel gave Glenn the watch was sort of cheesy.

 

[Tonicky]

I like how I don't even care about reading the spoilers any more I just do.

 

[Tonicky]

I love how the same zombie who was stuck in mud for 10 minutes while Carl lamely threw rocks at his head now has the strength not only disembowel Dale with his bare hands, but also a large cattle.

Outside of that, solid episode, although the scene where Hershel gave Glenn the watch was sort of cheesy.

Yeah I wanted Christopher Walken to come in and give Glenn the watch for Hershel.

Also really happy Someone held Dale's had when he died even if it was Andrea.

lastly that Zombie pulled a Batman on Dale lol.

 

[oakzap425]

Fyi, Walker on 4chan has been releasing spoilers since the beginning of the season, so I wouldn't take this with a grain of salt. It's legit. Also Spoil the Dead, a spoiler for for TWD is legit too. Been releasing spoilers since Pretty Much Dead Already, and has been true every time.

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Okay, so here we go again...

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done ****ed up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

Read more: http://spoilthedead.proboards.com/i...&action=display&thread=2&page=2#ixzz1oFzOilea

 

[OsGom]

I kept expecting Carl to kill Randall for some reason. That's how i would have written it.
I am hoping they keep Shane alive. I would be interested in what happens at the prison with Shane still alive.

I was sad to see Dale go out like that. He was a great character and the moral compass for the group. He was also in the right regarding Randall.

If survival is really paramount to these people then they need to see the big picture. In this new world, humans are on the verge of extinction. Can they really afford to kill any people they come across and perceive as a threat. What they should be doing is getting information from the kid so they can scout out this other group themselves and get a sense of their true threat level. This group might have other member's like Randall who don't want to be there but who have no other option.

 

[OsGom]

Regarding Dale getting torn open by that zombie. A corpse's fingers could dessicate to the point where there is little flesh on them and they are basically boney claws. It makes them perfect for tearing open stomachs and scooping up guts. So though it may lack the physical strength to free itself from the mud, it more than has the tools for ripping into soft bellies.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I love how the same zombie who was stuck in mud for 10 minutes while Carl lamely threw rocks at his head now has the strength not only disembowel Dale with his bare hands, but also a large cattle.

Well, a decaying corpse getting itself out of the mud at all is a feat of strength itself. Decaying fingers also have bones underneath. I think if you could buy into fact the dead have risen, one of them cutting a guy isn't that hard to believe to me at least. He could have been gnawing on the steer all day too.

 

[Poeman]

So for the comic readers, has the show completely driven off another angle?

Have they confirmed the plot will also be different? I keep hearing about this

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Governor and Jail arc

...is that going to be rolled into the show?