The Walking Dead "The Walking Dead" General Stuff & Thaaaangs Thread - - - Part 12

[Iron_Stark]

Watch AMC make the season 7 premier be about Carol and Morgan so we have to wait until the following Sunday to find out the answer to the cliff hanger. AMC has been known to stretch these things out in the past.

No it'll be shown in the first episode. I posted every character that's filmed and what episodes they filmed.

Now as far as them showing it at the beginning of the episode or finding out the victim until the end of the episode, then jumping into a Carol/Morgan episode the next week and then the ramifications of Lucille's victim until episode 3, then that's a different story. And something AMC and Gimple would likely do.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm rewatching season 6 now and good God, I've forgotten how boring those first couple of episodes were, except for the Carol vs. the Wolves episode. It's easy to forget given how much better the second half of the season was. Good thing Negan is finally here.

 

[Elevator Man]

Despite my enjoyment of episodes 6.1-6.4. 6b (despite it's own shortcomings) trumps 6a easily, imo. I know I'm in the minority, but "Here's Not Here" (Morgan bottle episode) is an underrated episode that I believe to be some of the show's best.

 

[Drizzle]

Despite my enjoyment of episodes 6.1-6.4. 6b (despite it's own shortcomings) trumps 6a easily, imo. I know I'm in the minority, but "Here's Not Here" (Morgan bottle episode) is an underrated episode that I believe to be some of the show's best.

It's fine now, but at the time it was immensely frustrating because it happened right after the Glenn fake-out.

 

[Teelie]

No it'll be shown in the first episode. I posted every character that's filmed and what episodes they filmed.

Now as far as them showing it at the beginning of the episode or finding out the victim until the end of the episode, then jumping into a Carol/Morgan episode the next week and then the ramifications of Lucille's victim until episode 3, then that's a different story. And something AMC and Gimple would likely do.

And another of the growing reasons I have since quit watching the show. After the episode airs and confirms what is rumored to be the big death then I shall never care again what this show screws up next. Still not going to watch it but everyone will be talking about it.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

rewatched the finale - Negan is the only one who looks like good. He take care of his appearance!!! wtf beeches?! Everybody else so ugly lately. Just because it's the apocalypse doesn't mean you cannot look good and make effort too.

 

[Lantern Venom]

rewatched the finale - Negan is the only one who looks like good. He take care of his appearance!!! wtf beeches?! Everybody else so ugly lately. Just because it's the apocalypse doesn't mean you cannot look good and make effort too.

It makes perfect sense when people are fighting flesh-gobbling monsters, starvation, and disease, that make-up, facials, and matching clothes aren't always going to be high on the list.

 

[The Joker]

I also doubt there's an endless supply if hygiene products. Though I wish someone would cut Carl's hair.

 

[tzarinna]

I'm so afraid someone is going to throw a spoiler up in a thread or comment section of facebook or twitter. I need to resist checking **** out.

 

[Elevator Man]

I normally steer clear of spoilers, but they already ruined the moment in the S6 finale for me to care who died. So I'll probably shrug at the reveal of the victim regardless of being spoiled or not. Besides the death will be a footnote after ep. 7.1.

 

[Reek]

If Negan doesn't have his collection of wives AND have his moments with Carl... I say we take AMC down.

 

[The Joker]

Those are some of the juicier elements of his character. I'd say they'll include them.

With The Governor they had his zombie daughter, the heads in the fish tanks, and the barbaric gladiator pit fights surrounded by walkers. They tend to leave in the crazy quirks with the big bads.

 

[Reek]

One thing that is an absolute must is his hatred for rape and beating women... I'm not sure we'll get his gym teacher past story, nor would i really care minus the reason for the Lucille name...

 

[The Joker]

Yeah I really hope they show Negan's weird code of honor.

 

[Elevator Man]

The Walking Dead showrunner on cliffhanger: 'We did not seek to make anybody angry'

The Walking Dead showrunner Scott M. Gimple says he wasn’t surprised that some people did not like the season 6 cliffhanger in which we did not learn the identity of Negan’s first Alexandria victim, but he was surprised by the intensity of the reaction.

While Gimple acknowledges and respects the various opinions of the fan base, he is also firm in his commitment to the vision of the show. “All of this is on behalf of the audience,” he tells us.

Read on for more as Gimple talks about dealing with fan backlash to the finale as well as his take on the big difference between the Negan cliffhanger and the dumpster one that preceded it.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Were you surprised by the anger that some fans had to the cliffhanger? Did that take you back a little bit?
SCOTT M. GIMPLE: I wasn’t surprised. It’s a very passionate audience and I wasn’t surprised that there was some of that. I guess I was surprised how intense some folks got. But passion is passionate and if they have it for the show, after six years, I guess we’ve just got to take our lumps. I believe in what we’re doing. I believe in the story that that cliffhanger is the lynchpin of, and those story aspects that invite an audience to engage with their imagination, and to think about things and discuss things.

The thing that I find so wonderful about mass entertainment is the possibility of strangers being able to talk — to have some common ground and have something that they’re both passionate about, even if they’ve never met each other before. And it’s very gratifying to me to see stories of people thinking and talking and positing and theorizing. I think that aspect of it is wonderful. Of course, we did not seek to make anybody angry. But we are going to stretch and we are going to take risks on behalf of the audience. All of this is on behalf of the audience.

Had the event not existed in the comic, and people didn’t know so much about it and the result of what happened there, do you think there would not have been such an uproar?
Absolutely. It was all about expectations. People were like, “Oh, well, here’s what happens when Negan arrives on the scene. And the expectation was, “Oh, it’ll be this way and that’s the way it should be and that’s the way it is in my head.” And I understand that. But it’s also a question of trying to do things that fulfill the spirit of the story and the spirit of the comic, without it being exactly the comic.

And to tell you the truth, that’s very much something that I do, as somebody who came to The Walking Dead as a comics’ reader, initially. But I feel some of the readers were like, “Oh, this is going to happen, this is exactly what it is.” And we wanted to give them a new experience, and to give them an experience of suspense and fear, because they don’t know what’s going to happen. What’s actually happening on the show to characters, we want them to feel it. We want them to be surprised.

What is more important then: honoring those big moments from the comic faithfully, or providing a new experience for viewers?
As I’ve said a lot of times, it’s a remix. That’s something we proved when I started on the show and [comic creator Robert Kirkman] and I were sitting in the room and I was a writer and producer. I was always wanting to hew as close to the comics as possible, and Robert was wanting to deviate to provide the readers with a new experience. And over the years, I integrated it with my own thinking, as long as we fulfill the spirit of the comic story. We are looking to generate the same emotions and have a very direct interpretation of moments in the book — even if it’s completely different — but still achieving the comic story. That’s what I’ve followed all these years, and at the end of Season 6, it’s very much in line with that.

One of the things I’ve heard from people is that the problem they had with the cliffhanger is that when coupled with the dumpster cliffhanger in the first half of the season, that it was too much in too condensed a time frame. Can you see how that may have been an issue for some?
When we say it’s an issue for some people, we’re only talking about people on the internet, because obviously those are the only ones that we’re aware of, except maybe in our lives. The internet is a very specific demographic. In the end, personally I don’t know. I was talking about how the internet is a certain demographic — a discriminating, smart audience that very deeply analyzes things. I respect that and dig that and if I didn’t write for the show, I’d probably do that myself.

I think in the overarching tapestry of what the show is, these are individual stories that aren’t particularly related. I suppose they do both have to do with loss. But I think it is, in some ways, the opposite. The dumpster story was somebody surviving something. It was about a character getting to live. It was really to put the audience in the place of the people in Alexandria. We didn’t get to know what happened. It looked like he died but it wasn’t unlocked, it wasn’t a certainty. But the thing that allowed him to survive was the thing that made it look like he died, which was Nicholas’ guts. So, hopefully that story was like, “Oh, somebody survived! I went through this horrible thing where, oh my god, this character just died, and they survived.”

This is the opposite. This is a story that promised death and takes them all out and everyone survives. It’s a very different story. If someone is going to die, the other story was that someone would survive. I guess when you have two unbelievably intense incidents that hit the audience hard and did not provide them with the answers immediately, there’s absolutely a parallel there, that’s a big part of the world there. And the proof will be in the pudding, come October.

 

[danoyse]

I also doubt there's an endless supply if hygiene products. Though I wish someone would cut Carl's hair.

God, someone please give Carl a haircut...

 

[Elevator Man]

^And Daryl while they're at it.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

and give maggie wig

 

[HighFivingMF]

Give Rick his big bushy beard back.

 

[Kane52630]

Also give T-Dogg his life back.

 

[JokerQuinn]

I'm so afraid someone is going to throw a spoiler up in a thread or comment section of facebook or twitter. I need to resist checking **** out.

Yeah, it's 99% confirmed that the death is spoiled now. Be sure to watch out because it's pretty much everywhere now.

 

[Drizzle]

Give Rick his big bushy beard back.

Rickbeard will return. He usually grows it out when the chips are down.

 

[Xrated48]

Give Rick his big bushy beard back.

Spoiler

Based on set photos for this season his beard is starting to grow back.

 

[Teelie]

I normally steer clear of spoilers, but they already ruined the moment in the S6 finale for me to care who died. So I'll probably shrug at the reveal of the victim regardless of being spoiled or not. Besides the death will be a footnote after ep. 7.1.

And going by how each season is a spin on the previous season (find a place to live, screw it up, get scattered, regroup, find a place to live, rinse and repeat) I don't really care.

The more distance I have from the story the more I realize how repetitive this series has been, and not in a fresh and interesting way, but in a "we're out of original ideas" way where their best bet to keep an audience is with "shock" deaths and fakeouts like Glenn's not really death, death.

And then a big middle finger to the audience in the season finale over who they are going to kill. Which if the rumors are confirmed is not as important as it should be giving how much they built up the death.

It's going to be a disappointment.

 

[Elevator Man]

The Walking Dead: Greg Nicotero says show has gone to 'significant lengths' to protect cliffhanger secret

Long recognized as a horror makeup genius going back to such 1980s classics as Day of the Dead and Evil Dead 2, Greg Nicotero has also evolved into the go-to director for television’s highest-rated show, The Walking Dead. He’s handled all the season premieres and finales over the past few years, including the episode voted by fans as the series’ best ever (the season 5 premiere, “No Sanctuary”).

That means Nicotero was at the center of that controversial cliffhanger that ended the season with viewers left wondering which of the survivors had just died at the hands of Negan and his barbed wire-covered baseball bat. We spoke to the director/exec-producer, who talks about the challenges of keeping TV’s biggest secret under wraps and admits to being surprised at the fan unrest while explaining why they still would not go back and change anything about their approach.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Obviously you guys ended season 6 on this huge cliffhanger and some folks were really upset about that. Were you surprised by some of that anger?
GREG NICOTERO: I would say our fans are passionate, and for me personally, yeah, I was a little surprised that some of our viewers were angered by that. Because other shows that I watch and I enjoy have done similar things. They have ended with cliffhangers, or Did this person die or that person die? Or, What happened here? Or leading up to something. So yeah, I’m really proud of the episode, and I really loved it, and I was a little surprised that people had that reaction to it.

But I’d say in retrospect, I don’t think we would have changed anything. I would have still supported doing it the way that we did it, because of the fact that the story doesn’t end there. If we would have shown the deaths, then they wouldn’t have felt our characters in season 7 the way they need to. And the thing that I think a lot of people will get out of it is how that moment changes the entire makeup of our universe within a split second. And it’s that moment that launches our entire season 7 into that direction.

So if we would have done it at the end of season 6, it wouldn’t have had the same impact. And I guarantee you people will tell me I’m wrong, and people will tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m speaking from my perception and my opinion. So I feel like starting season 7 it’s like, we’ll give the audience a better emotional place with which to process what happens and really be able to understand how it changes every single person moving forward.

Andrew Lincoln gave me his take on it, and his feeling was that if the event hadn’t already existed in the comic book and people had nothing to compare it to or hadn’t built up their own expectations of it, that there would have been no issue. Do you agree with that?
Yeah, for sure. And I think there were a lot of people that were talking about, “Wow, just wait to see what happens,” and “It’s going to be amazing.” A lot of buildup about Negan sort of swirled a lot of people into this sort of expectation that that moment would be resolved. And I think that was really where more of the anger came than from the fact that it actually ended in a cliffhanger, but that certain people felt that they were promised something different. And I really think that’s what it leads to. I think Andy’s absolutely right, there is an expectation of, oh, the anticipation of this moment.

And I remember reading that moment in a comic book at Comic-Con a few years ago and just thinking about, oh, it’s such a brutal, horrible, sensuous moment, all of these people in a completely subservient crying situation, and nothing like that had happened in the show before. So there was nothing they could do, their hands were tied, reading that moment. And I feel like we captured that moment in the episode.

We start out that episode saying, “Hey, you know, if they show up, should we talk about a deal? Should we try to make some sort of deal with them?” And Rick’s like, “If they want to make a deal, have them come talk to me.” So he went from the beginning of that episode being in his mind 100 percent in control to having every single ounce of extra delay. So the point of the episode wasn’t about seeing who Negan kills, the point of the episode was seeing everything stripped away from Rick from moment to moment to moment to set up season 7, which is about the fact that Rick really had no concept of what the world outside of his sphere was like.

And the exciting part of the season coming up is, it’s not just the Sanctuary that we’re going to experience, but we have the Hilltop, we have the Kingdom, so what we’ve done is, we’ve opened up our universe to bring in many more planets, for lack of a better description. So there was a reason behind it. It certainly was not just about who Negan kills. It was about showing Rick as completely devoid of any power or control, and he’s forced to do it in front of all of his people. So when Negan does bring Lucille down, it’s meant to show how helpless all of them are, and how that random act of violence will change their lives.

And you have six months in between the episodes. It was hard enough keeping things a secret back in the early ’80s with “Who shot JR?” Now with social media, and people camping out, taking photos — what are some of the lengths you guys have gone to protect this secret in terms of which of the 11 got the bat to the face?
Well, we’ve gone to pretty significant lengths. That scene was shot on the backlot, because we didn’t want it to be shot out in public where people can climb trees, or for telephoto lenses, to capture something. It’s unfortunate, because those people, their job is to ruin the show, and our job is to preserve the experience of the show. So we do have to spend a lot of energy and a lot of effort preserving the experience of watching the show. It’s just the way the world is right now, and it’s an unfortunate thing.

There are a lot of TV shows that I love watching. I choose not to go online and read anything about them because I still enjoy the experience of learning about it for the first time. I don’t need spoilers. I’m a huge Game of Thrones fan, as you know, and every episode took me on this amazing great journey that I relished. I loved not knowing where I was being led but willingly going there. And people that want to put spoilers out there, they’re purposely trying to ruin that experience for people.

So I really still think that the majority of viewers feel the same way I do. They don’t want to know ahead, they don’t want to know what’s going to happen. You’ll have some news outlets that will find a kernel or a sort of nugget of information and run with it, and put it out there to be the first ones to report it, but it’s just about the experience of watching any movie. You don’t want to know how it ends. It’s about the journey, it’s not only about the ending.