BvS The Wonder Woman Costume Thread - Part 5

[jaymes_e06]

Some skirt designs are awesome like this one:

I do love the pants though. Have you seen my pants design SofNascimento?

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@MrsKent: Thankyou for that message. You know what I'm talking about.

 

[Majik1387]

With that animated skirt design, I can't help but feel the skirt is designed wrong. I think the fan edge should be on the sides and the large one point should be over the crotch.

And Jimenez's statement means nothing to me because in all his comments about sex, he seems to not want to refer back to the main sexual practice she was created with, BDSM.

 

[The Guard]

I like Jiminez's statements.

I think Wonder Woman should definitely not be all covered up. She should embrace her body, or at least this should be conveyed visually.

That said, there is a more practical, character-informing and visually pleasing costume out there beyond the classic one.

 

[MrsKent26]

I don't think anyone has suggested she be all covered up. I just want her to look like a warrior/superhero and not something out of Playboy. The skirt costumes still show a lot of skin and look better/more balanced. They need to think about who she is for once and not what looks "sexiest."

And Jimenez's statement means nothing to me because in all his comments about sex, he seems to not want to refer back to the main sexual practice she was created with, BDSM.

I feel the same about that.

 

[SofNascimento]

I do love the pants though. Have you seen my pants design SofNascimento?

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http://s102.photobucket.com/user/jh7058622/media/wwconcept_zpsc0f8188c.jpg.html

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It reminds me of the nu52, and that's good. I'm would take away the shoulder straps and the mini skirt decoration though... and what the texture you imagine for the pants? Scale?

 

[Majik1387]

No shoulder straps is the dumbest mistake the designer could make.

 

[The Guard]

No shoulder straps is the dumbest mistake the designer could make.

Because...

 

[SofNascimento]

I believe this talk of Wonder Woman embracing her body to be way out of the mark. The reason being simple: Diana dresses the way she does to look sexy, nothing more, nothing less. She's made so she can attract male readers.

And no matter what you do, no matter the story you write, no matter how you try to use her. It will always be the number 1 reason. The thing more clearly visible about her costume. And the first impression people will have of her will be based of how poorly she dresses.

 

[Marvin]

I like Jiminez's statements.

I think Wonder Woman should definitely not be all covered up. She should embrace her body, or at least this should be conveyed visually.

That said, there is a more practical, character-informing and visually pleasing costume out there beyond the classic one.

Whatever they go with(and I do mean they), it will be lambasted against by some groups and even creators, for DC characters come chalk full with stringent preconceptions and expectations. All this talk of what wondy needs to look like otherwise the point is missed, not quite the same conversation during the thor designing I'm sure.

If he does go the showing skin route, he will not only come under fire of the people that are against such things but given the film he made prior to MOS...If he doesn't show skin "he doesn't understand wonder woman, figures cause he doesn't understand superman either"
Katniss and Ripley and sarah conner....etc

Snyder will die not knowing what he got himself into.

 

[MrsKent26]

Because...

Straps make sense. Why would a character that routinely gets in physical situations wear a decorative costume over a practical one that she can move in without thinking it will fall down?

 

[SofNascimento]

No shoulder straps is the dumbest mistake the designer could make.

Can't see this being correct. In the costume in question the blast plate eagle clearly cover her breasts, so you have the sense of a proper costume. The straps adds nothing.

 

[The Guard]

Straps make sense. Why would a character that routinely gets in physical situations wear a decorative costume over a practical one that she can move in without thinking it will fall down?

Because she's Wonder Woman. A decorative costume is part of her accepted visual presentation. If her straps broke during said "physical situation", wouldn't the same potential issues apply?

I don't buy that a costume without straps can't be portrayed as a practical design, especially given modern design options. At some point people are going to need to use their imagination as well. We can't nitpick the practicality of every design element.

 

[The Guard]

Whatever they go with(and I do mean they), it will be lambasted against by some groups and even creators, for DC characters come chalk full with stringent preconceptions and expectations. All this talk of what wondy needs to look like otherwise the point is missed, not quite the same conversation during the thor designing I'm sure.

If he does go the showing skin route, he will not only come under fire of the people that are against such things but given the film he made prior to MOS...If he doesn't show skin "he doesn't understand wonder woman, figures cause he doesn't understand superman either"
Katniss and Ripley and sarah conner....etc

Snyder will die not knowing what he got himself into.

Yeah, it's kind of annoying.

The problem with this debate is that there seems to be no balance to it on either side of the debate (for the most part).

If people want Wonder Woman to show skin, be unafraid of her sexuality, etc, they often end up painted as sexist, etc, in some fashion.

And if someone wants Wonder Woman not to, they often get painted as a non-fan.

It's absurd.

What needs to be done costumewise is something that both visually and conceptually, BEST SERVES THE CHARACTER AND THE FILM UNIVERSE AND WONDER WOMAN'S MYTHOLOGY, and too many people are hung up on other, nonrelated issues.

 

[jaymes_e06]

It reminds me of the nu52, and that's good. I'm would take away the shoulder straps and the mini skirt decoration though... and what the texture you imagine for the pants? Scale?

Yes leather scale though similar to this only more filled in:

or this only smaller scales and pants obviously.

 

[MrsKent26]

Because she's Wonder Woman. A decorative costume is part of her accepted visual presentation. If her straps broke during said "physical situation", wouldn't the same potential issues apply?

I don't buy that a costume without straps can't be portrayed as a practical design, especially given modern design options. At some point people are going to need to use their imagination as well. We can't nitpick the practicality of every design element.

Because she's WW? That means nothing to me. "visual presentation" is what she's always reduced to and that's unfortunate.

 

[Matt.S99]

Edit: read it wrong.

 

[Majik1387]

Because...

Boobs flopping out is not wanted by the smarter audience members.

Straps make sense. Why would a character that routinely gets in physical situations wear a decorative costume over a practical one that she can move in without thinking it will fall down?

Exactly.

Can't see this being correct. In the costume in question the blast plate eagle clearly cover her breasts, so you have the sense of a proper costume. The straps adds nothing.

The straps add support from gravity. Come on man, I know you try to combine all those wanting a more realistic costume to be prudes/etc. but it is completely stupid to believe that a breast plate is enough support for a chest.

 

[jaymes_e06]

No shoulder straps is the dumbest mistake the designer could make.

Agreed.

 

[Matt.S99]

And they don't look bad either, they add practical support but don't take anything away from the design. Straps are a +++

 

[roach]

Whatever they go with(and I do mean they), it will be lambasted against by some groups and even creators, for DC characters come chalk full with stringent preconceptions and expectations. All this talk of what wondy needs to look like otherwise the point is missed, not quite the same conversation during the thor designing I'm sure.

Because people have preconceived notions of the DC heroes...and none about the Marvel heroes. It's why people shrug off changes in the Marvel Studios movies and freak out over everyone else. Is there even a Black Widow costume thread? Is anyone freaking out over Captain America's wings like they are over The Flash's?
I honestly believe there is a way to do Wonder Woman's costume without making it look like a bathing suit. And yes it will make her stand out from the other heroes but that's what it's supposed to do...they are a team of separate heroes...like Avengers (no one complained about Hulk wearing nothing but pants) not the X-men where everyone is uniformed. It should look no more silly or out of place if they go with Martian Manhunter's look (bare chest and straps) or Hawkman (bare chest and straps).

 

[roach]

Boobs flopping out is not wanted by the smarter audience members.

Because that's what's going to happen. If it happened no one would stop the camera and film a non-boob take. If a boob pops out and it's filmed it has to be in the movie.

MOVIE MAGIC people

Just like Superman or Batman never step on their capes or get them caught on stuff.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly.

They're not going to show Wonder Woman's boobs falling out.

 

[MrsKent26]

There is a way to make WW's costume work. It doesn't involve putting her in a swimsuit and it doesn't involve removing all classic elements. It should have been done long ago. That's why people argue about WW, roach. It's because she's been left behind when other female characters get real costumes. Black Widow doesn't have debates because she has a decent costume already in Avengers. Marvel isn't sticking its characters in swim suits, so no one accuses them of anything. DC needs to catch up. Look at all the major CBMs. Then look at WW. People are moving away from costumes like that. And there's a reason for that. Did you know people wrote articles about MOS and how it was "a feminist action movie"? Did they write that about Watchmen or Sucker Punch? No. Snyder was accused of sexism in those days. It's time to move on and WW needs to catch up.

There. It's just that easy.

 

[Marvin]

If they show more skin and 'like the spiderman suit actually translate it on screen accurately' people will come down on them and snyder in particular.

If they cover her up and give her pants(yes it's hardly new but still) and such, people will come down on them for missing the point and or simply not nailing her most popular look(even Lynda showed legs).

No matter what they do it will fall into heavy criticism.

 

[anonomissx]

Because...

One extapolation would be that the designer referenced Thor and "300". This would mean a very upgraded, metal design, perhaps over leather, on the upper half. A big or small woman would most likely need straps for that. If so, they make them part of the design, put shoulder pads over them, or CGI them out. Especially if Gal does a lot of her own fighting and stunts, ect.