The Wrestling Thread is a team player - - - Part 186

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Punk's pipebomb still resonating over 3 years on, probably because so much of what he said has proven to be true.


The "pipe bomb" was a huge moment, but it didn't ignite a cultural phenomenon the way "Austin 3:16" did.
 
All 53% of the people that voted on that either are too young to remember Austin's 3:16 speech or are just trying to tweak WWE by voting for one of their ex employee's.
 
It's really stupid that they put the belt on Harper the way they did because honestly, they could have not involved the title and still made him look strong.

The match should have ended in DQ and Harper should have powerbombed Ziggler through a table.

They'd have built Harper up as a guy that just wants to hurt people and it would have built sympathy for Ziggler.

It really stings because Ziggler was making the title have value again but instead they are trying to use the belt to make Harper.
 
The "pipe bomb" was a huge moment, but it didn't ignite a cultural phenomenon the way "Austin 3:16" did.

Well it was never given the machine backing the Austin 3:16 moment was given as WWE didn't want to shake the Cena tree loose, where as in 1996/97 Vince was desperate to run with anything that grabbed the audience as WCW was killing him.

All 53% of the people that voted on that either are too young to remember Austin's 3:16 speech or are just trying to tweak WWE by voting for one of their ex employee's.

Or that Punk's promo has a lot more in it than a great line. All the promos are there to watch before you vote, I think it's a mix of the fact fans miss Punk and on top of that his promo, while not featuring a line that would become the biggest marketing slogan since Hulkamania, contained raw emotion and truth that represented the feelings of a good chunk of WWE's frustrated and jaded fanbase.
 
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The "pipe bomb" was a huge moment, but it didn't ignite a cultural phenomenon the way "Austin 3:16" did.

Austin wasn't playing second fiddle when he was the WWF Champion.
 
That Survivor Series card is so pitiful that I think those who signed up for that free trial are getting ripped off.

The "pipe bomb" was a huge moment, but it didn't ignite a cultural phenomenon the way "Austin 3:16" did.

Austin wasn't just another guy on the roster when that happened.
 
I can't put the pipebomb above Austin 3: 16 no matter how much of a Punk fan I am. That promo represents a fleeting moment in time in which we thought WWE was on the rise again. It's too bittersweet. Much like Bryan's WM win.
 
I can't put the pipebomb above Austin 3: 16 no matter how much of a Punk fan I am. That promo represents a fleeting moment in time in which we thought WWE was on the rise again. It's too bittersweet. Much like Bryan's WM win.

That's what makes Punk's promo so significant, Austin's is a t-shirt line that spawned a great run. Punk's spoke for a generation of fans and sadly what he said has come to pass, things will never change as WWE will always demand they are right about what fans want.

They represent different things in many ways and I actually don't think either promo is the best of either guys career. Austin's represents kayfabe success launch, Punk's represents the harsh truth. Austin spoke for his character, Punk spoke for a generation of lost fans.
 
So I hear WWE 2K15 is absolutely HORRIBLE. Bare bones and stripped with everything that can make it special.

Graphics are the best thing visually, but ring is so small too, like 14x14

Horrible as in lack of modes or the actual engine itself?
 
Austin wasn't playing second fiddle when he was the WWF Champion.

Which only proves my point even more. I was actually a bigger Punk fan than I was an Austin fan, but if you go by "great moments" in WWE history, that King of the Ring promo stands above the Pipe Bomb promo based on impact on wrestling and pop culture in general alone.
 
Which only proves my point even more. I was actually a bigger Punk fan than I was an Austin fan, but if you go by "great moments" in WWE history, that King of the Ring promo stands above the Pipe Bomb promo based on impact on wrestling and pop culture in general alone.

It doesn't prove the point though, the point is Austin's promo gained some traction and he was booked accordingly. Punk's blew up just as big but WWE never gave him the proper push because they were unwilling to move away from Cena, so we never got a chance to see if it could have had the same kind of impact as WWE wouldn't allow it.

However the point of the poll was about the promos greatness overall as opposed to it's business impact, I mean I doubt even the most hardcore Jake Roberts fans would have picked out the promo he has on the list, it's not even a famous promo, so there was more to the poll than how big a push it got the guy.
 
Man, The WWE Summer of Punk saga was a walking facepalm and was most likely intended as a way for them to screw Punk as payback for almost leaving the company.
 
Man, The WWE Summer of Punk saga was a walking facepalm and was most likely intended as a way for them to screw Punk as payback for almost leaving the company.

Their reboot of it in 2011 SUCKED. Once Punk came back with Cult of Personality on Raw, I knew it was all downhill from there. He came back way too early.
 
Their reboot of it in 2011 SUCKED. Once Punk came back with Cult of Personality on Raw, I knew it was all downhill from there. He came back way too early.

They should have kept airing vignettes of him wrestling in other promotions and stuff then had him interrupt an event around Mania season to make his return.

They didn't need Punk for Summerslam 2011, they could have just had ADR cash in on a Cena/Orton match, so he can be champ for that Mexico Tour instead of what was done.
 
I think the thing to consider when comparing the Pipe Bomb and the Austin 3:16 promos what happened after both of them. When Stone Cold cut that KotR promo he was still walking out to the old Ringmaster entrance music, and he was moving up the midcard. He would later get his classic glass shattering theme, start having important feuds over the IC belt with the likes of Rock and Owen, and then rise to the top position in '98. He was then given the ball to run with it, but the key thing is that Austin was still improving on his character while growing in the company. The Austin 3:16 was basically a promo that said, "I am here to kick ass and take names, you sons of *****es!"

With Punk, he was already a well traveled vet by the time he got in the WWE. He had to deal with a lot of politics before he could really get a chance to show his character. Then he had a lot of moments where he would start and stop. They put him in a championship position a couple of times before the Pipe Bomb promo, and that's before he even had the Straight Edge Society. He was basically the guy that the ball was being dropped on, and the fans knew it. When the Pipe Bomb promo hit, he basically verbalized a lot of fans' anger as the poster child for misused talent. His promo was basically saying, "I'm pissed because you won't get your head out of your own ass." He didn't need to rise as opposed to being needed to not be wasted in a spot that he'd long outgrown.

When you take into account the big difference between the two points in time with both promos you see how the Austin 3:16 promo is looked at more fondly than Punk's Pipe Bomb. When it comes to the quality of both then that's a personal debate. Both have their merits. Punk at that point had a firm grasp on who he was in the wrestling world, so he had a better flow than Austin, but Stone Cold's promo had more of a clear point besides the rant of the Pipe Bomb. But in terms of significance? Austin's wins hands down because that led into the biggest time period of the company's history. Punk's Pipe Bomb could have done that, but booking let the heat from that promo down shortly after it. Punk did become a star that connected with lots of fans, but here we are years after the fact still *****ing about why he was misused instead of looking forward to what he's going to do to entertain us next. Still stuck with the same John Cena that he *****ed about. Not much has changed at all, so it's impact on the business wasn't what it could have been. But Austin's booking went from a cool promo to him going on a tear that got everyone behind it. They actually lived up to the potential with him, and it changed the business.

So basically what I'm saying is that it depends on what you prefer when it comes to "greatest mic moment" in sports entertainment. Does great meant business impact to you, or does it mean quality of the promo? If it's quality then you can debate the two until the cows come home since it's subjective. If it's business impact then Austin 3:16 is the obvious answer. That's not Punk's fault that it ended up this way, but that's how it is.

That list is null and void though without having any of The Great One's promo's though.:o
 
If they would have done it right and strapped the Rocket to Punk, he could have left a 3 way match with Rock and Cena as champion and solidified him as the new guy.
 
That list is actually missing one of the biggest "mic moments" ever...

"We are taking over."- Scott Hall
 
"Maybe Vader Time is over. I'm a piece of ****. A big, fat piece of ****."- Vader
 
On a related note... I guess this is how Nikki takes a selfie.

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"And starting this moment, from now. From this moment on, this will be the moment. Starting now, of the Genesis of McGillicutty"-Michael McGillicutty
 
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