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[sweetre15]

Maybe. This Punk heel turns reminds me of that Rock heel turn before that first Austin/Rock Wrestlemania match. Rock was getting over with the crowd and then all of a sudden he turns at Survivor Series. I always thought it strange and he even said on his DVD that he had to trust creative turning heel.

But they turned him heel by teaming him with the mega heel at the time: Vince McMahon. The problem with Punk's heel turn was there was no mega-heel. Coupled with the fact that the mega-face (John Cena) was pretty stale with most of the crowd left it, in my estimation, a disastrous angle to begin with.

I think it really improved when Paul Heyman teamed with Punk. Heyman's just a naturally great heel, it helped Punk get over as a villain.





I have a question, I'd like to hear people's opinion on this. When Nitro was killing Raw in the ratings what would you attribute that to?

I personally watched because although I thought Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were really cool I hated Hulk Hogan, I hated Hollywood Hogan and I tuned in every week to watch Sting beat the crap out of the nWo.

But I came across an article recently that gave the opinion that the reason the nWo angle was so hot was because it was Hogan's first heel turn and because of the changing fan taste at the time (boo'ing the lame face and cheering the edgy heel) that they embraced Hogan as the new hero (which I disagree with).

So where do you think their success stem from? People wanting to watch Hogan as a heel, or wanting to watch Hogan get destroyed? And why did you watch?

Regarding the Monday Night Wars it was probably a combination of all three on WCW's part. People were tired of seeing larger than life cartoonish characters, gravitated more towards bad guys and both loved/hated(at the same time) Hollywood Hogan because he was no longer the superhero he portrayed.

Some would like to throw the blame on Shawn Michaels being champion but what doesnt work with that is that no champion during this period drew because of the aforementioned things above. Psycho Sid, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash and Undertaker(when he was able to keep people interested during later title reigns) had shots at carrying the ball at this time but because the product was no longer interested people, it didnt help any. So it was time to strike while the Iron is hot and change the product to something more edgy and give it to a popular edgy character that could carry the ball.

 

[Wheels]

I wanted Hogan to get his ass kicked by the crow-like Sting as a kid. The fans who were into Hollywood Hogan were older. He never got a huge face reaction as a heel the way Austin did though, not even close, until his WWE return that is.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Spoiler

TNA Taped their Knockouts Knockdown pay-per-view earlier today. Here are the full results.

* Gail Kim defeated Alissa Flash (Cheerleader Melissa).

* Lei’d Tapa defeated Ivelisse.

* Tara w/Jessie Godderz defeated Mia Yim.

* Brooke Tessmacher defeated Santana Garrett.

* ODB defeated Trinity.

* Jackie Moore (Jacqueline) defeated Taryn Tarrell.

* Hannah Blossom defeated Sojo Bolt and Taeler Hendrix in a triple threat match.

* Velvet Sky defeated Jillian Hall.

* Mickie James defeated Serena Deeb.

Battle Royal

Rules applied for the match were that a knockout entered every two minutes. Over the rope eliminations but the final two face off in a match.

Entrants
1) Hannah Blossom
2) Gail Kim
3) Lei’d Tapa
4) Tara
5) Mickie James
6) Brooke Tessmacher
7) Jackie Moore
8) ODB
9) Velvet Sky
Eliminations
1) Hannah Blossom
2) Lei’d Tapa
3) Jackie
4) ODB
5) Velvet
6) Tessmacher
7) Tara

The match came down to Gail and Mickie, Gail acted like she was injuried and rolled up Mickie for the win.

Madison Rayne then came out to the ring and put a crown on Gail’s head. Gail forced Madison to leave the ring and posed for the crowd. That concluded the tapings.

 

[Dr. Evil]

#shieldgonnalose

I don't know....there are rumors of a Orton heel turn, which may cause his team to lose.

 

[Wheels]

Good card for that knockout show.

 

[TX85]

I'd like an Orton heel turn,I turned him on WWE'13 But I wan the real thing!!

 

[Havok83]

I'd like an Orton heel turn,I turned him on WWE'13 But I wan the real thing!!

they really need to do something more with Orton. He really feels underutilized

As for the Shield. Im sick of them. Its time to end this storyline

 

[TX85]

I wish Cheerleader Melissa /Jacqueline&Sojo Bolt were back on the TNA roster full-time!

 

[Wheels]

The Shield will lose if Ryback stays in the match otherwise it'd be pointless. Ryback has to be the one who scores the pin, unless his push is dead.

 

[Wheels]

I wish Cheerleader Melissa /Jacqueline&Sojo Bolt were back on the roster full-time!

Me too. Can't wait for Cheerleader Melissa vs Gail Kim.

 

[TheFuture]

Even Taker was pissed.

It's amazing really, between Taker being a Bret man and genuinely loathing HBK, it's just astounding that they patched things up to the point that they put on 2 matches that are amongst the best in WWE history.

 

[vantheman77]

The Knockouts PPV may sound better than expected after some of the Knockouts declined to appear. To those who did appear, my hats off to them for trying to make this PPV worth it and congrats to Gail Kim for being the Queen of the Knockouts. I will bet you she will probably wear this crown after the Chicago Impacts.

I hope TNA can sign some of the KO's who are not on contract, at least put them on pay-per-appearance deals because the current KO's division is staling no matter what TNA says.

 

[PyroChamber]

 

[TX85]

I'm on my iPad and just zoomed in a whole lot on those pics..Yay yay!!

 

[LOBO3315a]

My Name is LOBO3315a and I approve of those pictures!

 

[The Sage]

PyroChamber, who is that?

Maybe. This Punk heel turns reminds me of that Rock heel turn before that first Austin/Rock Wrestlemania match. Rock was getting over with the crowd and then all of a sudden he turns at Survivor Series. I always thought it strange and he even said on his DVD that he had to trust creative turning heel.

But they turned him heel by teaming him with the mega heel at the time: Vince McMahon. The problem with Punk's heel turn was there was no mega-heel. Coupled with the fact that the mega-face (John Cena) was pretty stale with most of the crowd left it, in my estimation, a disastrous angle to begin with.

I think it really improved when Paul Heyman teamed with Punk. Heyman's just a naturally great heel, it helped Punk get over as a villain.





I have a question, I'd like to hear people's opinion on this. When Nitro was killing Raw in the ratings what would you attribute that to?

I personally watched because although I thought Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were really cool I hated Hulk Hogan, I hated Hollywood Hogan and I tuned in every week to watch Sting beat the crap out of the nWo.

But I came across an article recently that gave the opinion that the reason the nWo angle was so hot was because it was Hogan's first heel turn and because of the changing fan taste at the time (boo'ing the lame face and cheering the edgy heel) that they embraced Hogan as the new hero (which I disagree with).

So where do you think their success stem from? People wanting to watch Hogan as a heel, or wanting to watch Hogan get destroyed? And why did you watch?

Hogan's turn, the nWo angle, and the Cruiserweight division.

 

[JabarR]

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[PyroChamber]

PyroChamber, who is that?

Shaul Guerrero aka Raquel Diaz.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Eddie would be proud!

 

[The Sage]

Wow, she's gorgeous. Did she quit the business completely?

I can see the resemblance to Vickie.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Wow, she's gorgeous. Did she quit the business completely?

I can see the resemblance to Vickie.

Around the hips?

 

[Wheels]

Wow, she's gorgeous. Did she quit the business completely?

I can see the resemblance to Vickie.

For the time being, yes, she has quit the business. It's a shame because I developed a little crush on her.

 

[The Sage]

Around the hips?

In her face.

For the time being, yes, she has quit the business. It's a shame because I developed a little crush on her.

I can see why...

 

[I'm Batman.]

Here is the full content listing of WWE's Best of In Your House, which hits Blu-Ray and DVD on April 30th:

Disc 1

Simplistic Yet Brilliant

Bret Hart vs. Hakushi
In Your House • May 14, 1995

Intercontinental Championship Match
Jeff Jarrett vs. Shawn Michaels
In Your House • July 23, 1995

Hey Yo

Intercontinental Championship Match
Razor Ramon vs. Dean Douglas
In Your House • October 22, 1995

Arkansas Hog Pen Match
Hunter Hearst Helmsley vs. Henry O. Godwinn
In Your House • December 17, 1995

A Sloppy Masterpiece?

WWE Championship Match
Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog
In Your House • December 17, 1995

Disc 2

Memories Flooding Back

No Holds Barred Match for the WWE Championship
Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel
In Your House: Good Friends, Better Enemies • April 28, 1996

WWE Championship Match
Shawn Michaels vs. Mankind
In Your House: Mind Games • September 22, 1996

That's Why They Play The Game

Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley
In Your House: Buried Alive • October 20, 1996

Buried Alive Match
The Undertaker vs. Mankind
In Your House: Buried Alive • October 20, 1996

Crowning a New Champion

Four Corners Match for the Vacant WWE Championship
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart vs. Vader vs. The Undertaker
In Your House: Final Four • February 16, 1997

Disc 3

Back in the Saddle

10-Man Tag Team Match
The Hart Foundation vs. Steve Austin, Ken Shamrock, Goldust & The Legion of Doom
In Your House: Canadian Stampede • July 6, 1997

Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker
Ground Zero: In Your House • September 7, 1997

A Slobberknocker

Non-Sanctioned 8-Man Tag Team Match
Stone Cold Steven Austin, Owen Hart, Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie vs. HHH, The New Age Outlaws & Savio Vega
No Way Out of Texas: In Your House • February 15, 1998

WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Stone Cold Steve Austin & The Undertaker vs. Mankind & Kane
Fully Loaded: In Your House • July 26, 1998

Intercontinental Championship Match
Ken Shamrock vs. Mankind
Judgment Day: In Your House • October 18, 1998

Victory at All Costs

Last Man Standing Match for the WWE Championship
The Rock vs. Mankind
St. Valentine's Day Massacre • February 14, 1999

A Trip Down Memory Lane

Blu-ray Exclusives

Todd Pettengill Outtakes

In Your House Sweepstakes Winner

#1 Contenders Match
Bret Hart vs. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
In Your House: Revenge of the ‘Taker • April 20, 1997

Match to crown first WWE Light Heavyweight Champion
Taka Michinoku vs. Brian Christopher
D-Generation X: In Your House • December 7, 1997

WWE Championship Match
Shawn Michaels vs. Ken Shamrock
D-Generation X: In Your House • December 7, 1997

D'Lo Brown vs. X-Pac
Fully Loaded: In Your House • July 26, 1998

 

[NDX]

For the first time in years, I bought myself some WWE dvds. That last Hogan set, Unreleased for $5. Volume 1 of the Ladder Matches dvd for $5, and Rey Mysterio: Little Big Man for $10. Not bad haul on top of all the other dvds I've bought.