Sequels The X-Men/Fantastic 4 Crossover Official Thread

[psylockolussus]

YAY! Make it happen Fox!

Well at the very least the crossover should come after F4 2. So by 2019 or so

Hopefully F4 is great and then they get more freedom with the sequel

Or 2018 and FF2 comes out in 2017. If they are already planning this early, its 2014, right now it won't be rushed by time they finally release it in 2018.

And in business point of view, a film like this makes sense, because if the FF reboot turned out to be a success or at least profitable for Fox. A push from X-Men would make Fantastic Four more marketable/appealing to the public.

 

[HIA]

Exactly, business wise, this is clever. Not to mention it would be something unseen before in the genre history. Two iconic teams joining forces on an Epic movie? Pretty exciting

 

[magneto23]

I don't know. Things should only be "in the works" after they see what kind of reaction FF gets next year. If its respectable, then proceed.

 

[HIA]

Fox and Kinberg surely know the quality of the f4 script and the overall tone, so they must be pretty confident about it to start talking about a crossover.

Kinberg himself has been teasing it a few times recently, so it cant be more obvious, lol

 

[magneto23]

Fox and Kinberg surely know the quality of the f4 script and the overall tone, so they must be pretty confident about it to start talking about a crossover.

Kinberg himself has been teasing it a few times recently, so it cant be more obvious, lol

That's fine that they're confident. Just don't see the sense in planning a crossover now, when the FF reboot hasn't been seen by anyone yet. What if the end product isn't anything special or worse? Plan you're crossover when you know 100% that they have something. They'll know that by how well the audience receives it. IMO, if this is true, they're a year early with this talk.

 

[HIA]

its just talks, whats the big deal? lol, Fox is just planning things with a longer run, unlike in the past. Thats what most fans wanted from them, and now that they are doing it, some of you have a problem? lol.... its like... seriously, guys?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Ideally Sue would be pregnant by the end of Fantastic Four. In Fantastic Four 2 she'd give birth at the end and in a post-credit scene we see Xavier using Cerebro and pinpointing her and the baby with the baby being highlighted in Red indicating he's a Mutant.

Then have the crossover be about the baby who is going to develop into an extremely high level Mutant and Xavier butting heads with the Fantastic Four for suggesting he needs to be educated from an early age whereas they don't want him to be different, perhaps wanting him to be spared the trouble they have with powers or perhaps just not wanting him to be off to a boarding school at a young age or perhaps they could simply not believe Xavier that he's a Mutant.

That's fine that they're confident. Just don't see the sense in planning a crossover now, when the FF reboot hasn't been seen by anyone yet. What if the end product isn't anything special or worse? Plan you're crossover when you know 100% that they have something. They'll know that by how well the audience receives it. IMO, if this is true, they're a year early with this talk.

Well these days that's how it's done. Marvel planned Avengers before Cap 1 and Thor released, WB has Justice League planned before Batman v Superman has released.

Movie franchises are plotted in advance these days and sequels, crossovers and spin-offs announced early on.

I'd prefer all don't make early announcements but it's the way it is.

 

[Super Jim]

A crossover between these two teams is obvious when one movie company owns both. So this is no revelation, to say the least.

The problem though is this...

The X-Men franchise has been gold. They played things (at least for the last two movies) very smart. They've cast great actors and actresses in roles that make sense for them. For example, McAvoy for Professor X, Fassbender for Mags, Lawrence for Mystique and Hoult for Beast. I expect they will continue with this when they cast for young Jean, young Cyclops, young Storm and hopefully, young Nightcrawler. And the stories have, at least to a certain degree, been canon based. Truth be told, the Apocalypse movie should be a huge blockbuster brought to us on the backs of this cast.

Next you have this Fantastic Four, which I'm willing to say most are not so thrilled with. There are many concerns about this movie that, IMO, are very fair. At this point I'm actually leaning towards not seeing the movie, which will be the first time I've not gone to an opening weekend for a CBM.

So if this F4 movie sucks, as many of us suspect, the next step will be to throw these characters into a movie with the X-characters we love? If what I'm expecting for this F4 movie turns out to be true then this will ruin the X-Men (hey, maybe the rights could divert back? - I'm unfortunately joking).

Honestly, my fingers are crossed that this whole Fantastic Four debacle is being blown out of proportion, but I'm not holding my breath...

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

One thing I'm curious about is if the movie is good will those who for so long were against the movie let themselves enjoy it or maintain the opinion formed long before seeing the eventual content

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

One thing I'm curious about is if the movie is good will those who for so long were against the movie let themselves enjoy it or maintain the opinion formed long before seeing the eventual content

Most of the people who are down on it probably aren't even going to see it to find out, especially if it doesn't get glowing critical reviews. That's why it is important not to alienate your audience this early.

I know I won't be seeing it unless it gets great reviews, like 80%+ from Rotten Tomatoes or something like that.

Anyways, it would be a terrible business decision to anchor a popular franchise to one immensely disliked that was made soley because they would lose the rights if they didn't. It would be monumentally stupid for Fox to go through with this. It would be like taking Batman out of the Batman vs. Superman movie and making it Ryan Reynolds' Green Lantern instead.

 

[def28]

Exactly, right now I have zero interest in those two teaming up in comics or movies. The flick would have to be friggen awesome.

The only crossover I want to see from Fox at the moment is X-Force and X-Men. One that actually makes sense. Crossover characters who actually work well with eachother.

 

[Zarex]

As with the Spidey in the MCU rumors, I am waiting for some actual evidence that an FF/X-Men crossover is allowed to take place given that the two character families were licensed to FOX by Marvel under separate contracts at different times under distinct terms.

Did a genius attorney at FOX put crossover language into the 1993 X-Men agreement, long before the studio had committed to putting the X-Men on film and years before they would acquire the FF rights? I tend to doubt it, and if language in both licensing agreements don't specify in exacting detail the terms of such an intra-contract crossover, then Disney/Marvel may find this to be a breach of their existing contracts.

Avi Arad mentioned last year in regards to the Mystique post credit scene on ASM2 that Disney would have to sign off if Spidey and the X-Men met on the big screen. Does this also apply to a meeting between the X-Men and the FF? We shall see.

 

[HIA]

Dont you guys remember that Singer said last year that he's working on a Marvel's Mash up?
well........ there u have it

 

[def28]

He could have just be talking about an X-Men crossover or mash up, since there are like 100 X-Men characters and a dozen temas. No one knows. F4 is not a success yet. To crossover with X-Men at this point or within the next 5 years is just dumb, and a desperate move to cash in on crossovers. If people hate the F4 or that flick it will take down X-Men with it. Which they finally just got back track.

The only positive I could see granted the new F4 is good, would be that it can introduce more cosmic elements to X-Men.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dont you guys remember that Singer said last year that he's working on a Marvel's Mash up?
well........ there u have it

Yes.

If the FF reboot bombs fox will scrap the sequel they have set for july 2017
release.Possably push wolverine from march to july to take it's place,and kill any plans for X-Men/FF film.

Fox had a FF reference In X2 and in internatial version of first FF film that later was released on DVD before rise of silver surfer Mr fantastic stretched Into looking like Wolverine.

Some here thought fox couldn't do live action show and that was wrong.

 

[HIA]

I just feel u guys are a little bit negative right now. Fox is not the same Fox as 6 years ago, so I dont get all the worries. F4 has a great team behind, Josh Trank, Kimberg and Matthew Vaughn producing, and under the same studio as First Class and Dofp. How can it go wrong?

This is the best moment of comic book genre, yall, so get a little bit excited and dont waste time thinking about negative scenarios. Fox is not the same studio as back in the day, so that alone should have most of us excited for their whole future, both XMen and F4. Have some fun, guys

 

[def28]

I'm an extreme X-Men fan as well as Silver Surfer and I still have no interest seeing those 2 crossover. When you have over a hundred X-Men characters at your disposal that don't get enough attention in their own films there's just no reason to.

Things are gonna get crazy in the next 5 years. And Fox needs to plan and be cautious accordingly. X-Men is already in a safe position. Let these characters breathe for awhile.

Some here thought fox couldn't do live action show and that was wrong.

Based on what proof? There could have very well have been a deal or complications. We know nothing in regards to either. Just rumors and speculation. No official announcements have been made yet.

 

[Zarex]

Yes.
Some here thought fox couldn't do live action show and that was wrong.

Have you seen the show? How was it?

 

[Donut]

& if (when) the Faketastic Four bombs does this still go through ? Perhaps with a different cast ? That is if fox still wants 2 do another rights grab. Or will we never see a fox Faketastic Four movie never again & the rights revert ? The third time is the charm with failures

 

[HIA]

Fox more than likely know the 1st F4 movie wont do huge numbers, and Im sure they will be happy with similar numbers to First Class, so with the sequel, they'll go bigger and that would get a bit more attention from the audience, and after that, the crossover will just put the F4 on the maps on the biggest way, making an event movie.

Whether some fans hate the idea or not, its a smart plan. Two F4 movies then the Crossover. More than enough

 

[def28]

It could literally hurt the X-Men franchise. Which is far more important and valuable to Fox. I don't see how that is a smart plan.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I just feel u guys are a little bit negative right now. Fox is not the same Fox as 6 years ago, so I dont get all the worries. F4 has a great team behind, Josh Trank, Kimberg and Matthew Vaughn producing, and under the same studio as First Class and Dofp. How can it go wrong?

This is the best moment of comic book genre, yall, so get a little bit excited and dont waste time thinking about negative scenarios. Fox is not the same studio as back in the day, so that alone should have most of us excited for their whole future, both XMen and F4. Have some fun, guys

Agreed. Entirely different beast.

Fox more than likely know the 1st F4 movie wont do huge numbers, and Im sure they will be happy with similar numbers to First Class, so with the sequel, they'll go bigger and that would get a bit more attention from the audience, and after that, the crossover will just put the F4 on the maps on the biggest way, making an event movie.

Thats their game plan i bet. First Class was pretty small and character driven, so was ROTPOTA. when thoe quality movies grabbed peoples attention they ramped up the sequels and adding more specacle and scale.

F4 is likely a personal movie and if the characters and sory grab people with good quality they'll do a bigger sequel.

It could literally hurt the X-Men franchise. Which is far more important and valuable to Fox. I don't see how that is a smart plan.

It'll only hurt the x-Men franchise if the first two F4 movies are hated and do crap money and they still go ahead with a crossover. I doubt they'll do that.

They'll most likely only do the crossover if the F4 franchise is a positive and gets good reception.

 

[def28]

& if (when) the Faketastic Four bombs does this still go through ? Perhaps with a different cast ? That is if fox still wants 2 do another rights grab. Or will we never see a fox Faketastic Four movie never again & the rights revert ? The third time is the charm with failures

Hopefully revert back. So they can be were they belong in a universe that benefits the characters, and so Fox won't feel forced to have to make a film every so many years. Benefits both studios.

It'll only hurt the x-Men franchise if the first two F4 movies are hated and do crap money and they still go ahead with a crossover. I doubt they'll do that.

They'll most likely only do the crossover if the F4 franchise is a positive and gets good reception.

I really think it will hurt and sidetrack their overall world regardless. And that by the time this would happen audiences won't buy into it as much due to numerous Justice League and Avengers flicks. It will feal forced with what's already been established for the past 14 years (possibly 20 by the time this would happen) in X-men films. Using characters associated with their storylines is still the way to go until a full on reboot of X-Men takes place.

On top of just flat out hating the idea and thinking it's force feeding crossovers to a new level, I just seriously don't see a point in this for the studio and think it will be a fairly significant mistake for Fox. Maybe the new F4 will be good and change my mind by the way they introduce that world, but until I actually see something from the flick this just screams we want Avengers money and are desperate for it.

I'm going in circles here, so I'l stop. But one of these studios is gonna **** up soon. I'd say that much is certain.

 

[Rike]

If the F4 franchise reboot is good as I think it may be, I wouldn't mind seeing them crossover with the original X-Men cast.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

& if (when) the Faketastic Four bombs does this still go through ? Perhaps with a different cast ? That is if fox still wants 2 do another rights grab. Or will we never see a fox Faketastic Four movie never again & the rights revert ? The third time is the charm with failures

You mis-spelled Fantastic.

To answer your question If it does bomb Fox has them for the next seven years whether it's a success or a failure.

So wanting it to flop for example for that result is moronic since they are not mutually exclusive