Sequels The X-Men/Fantastic 4 Crossover Official Thread

[HIA]

its not a coincidence that Fox signed Kimberg to rewrite F4 script, lol. To really think that in this current state of the industry, Fox wouldnt want to do the crossover to make even more money, when Marvel is doing a huge universe and Warner is gonna bring another huge universe with plenty of solo movies and the team up.... well, that would be like saying Fox doesnt care about doing more money And we all know all studios want, so Fox wont be no different.

 

[GuestStar2004]

its not a coincidence that Fox signed Kimberg to rewrite F4 script, lol. To really think that in this current state of the industry, Fox wouldnt want to do the crossover to make even more money, when Marvel is doing a huge universe and Warner is gonna bring another huge universe with plenty of solo movies and the team up.... well, that would be like saying Fox doesnt care about doing more money And we all know all studios want, so Fox wont be no different.

and kinberg is the same guy who speaks of how difficult it would be to cross over the 2 because being in the same universe would downplay the fantastic 4, so kinberg being involved means very little apart from... you did good on FC and DOFP so come and help with The fantastic 4

 

[HIA]

he's the one that has actually teased the crossover recently, but to each its own, I guess
Fox will do it, its just a matter of when they'll announce it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

well this is what he said in may 2014

ScreenCrush: Do the Fantastic Four movie you wrote and the X-Men live in the same universe?

Simon Kinberg: Well, it’s complicated. Because none of the X-Men movies have acknowledged the notion of a sort of superhero team — the Fantastic Four. And the Fantastic Four acquire powers, so for them to live in a world where mutants are prevalent is kind of complicated, because you’re like, “Oh, you’re just a mutant.” Like, “What’s so fantastic about you?”

http://www.slashfilm.com/no-fantastic-four-x-men-crossover/

and he kinda has a point about that

 

[HIA]

yes, but that is old. Check his recent interviews and he sounds quite different about it.

And the key here is that Fox wont announce the crossover now, because that way in a few years they wouldnt have something big to confirm. Fox has to keep a few surprises for later years, even if they tease them. So confirming the crossover now wont be smart. Fox will release next year 4f, and after Apocalypse is when they would have to confirm what's next in the franchise, so that would be the best moment to have an impact. But now the new would get old pretty fast, taking into account all DC movies just confirmed and Civil War.

 

[Donut]

Or fox is waiting 2 see how the Faketastic Four does before announcing a crossover. After the reboot fails there more then likely wont be one. Or they could use a crossover 2 reboot the next Fantastic Four. I would think it all depends on the reboot

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

A FF/X-Men crossover would just reek of desperation on Fox's part to try and keep up or match what Marvel is doing, when it really has no chance of competing long term in this type of game. They are playing in one corner of the sandbox, but that's OK as long as they continue to make good and interesting X-films. I'd argue that the X-verse is pretty big in it's own right and all that Fox needs to do is let it's hair down and get more adventurous moving forward. Embrace the more colorful and fantastical elements of the comics.

I doubt a crossover with the FF is going to send tremors through the film world, especially if the statements regarding a more "grounded and gritty" FF turn out to be more literal then just marketing speak.

 

[Super Jim]

One thing I just thought about is the difficulty of this within the whole timeline.

For example, the current X-Men movie is going to be set in 1983. The expectation is that there will be a newly casted Jean, Scott and Ororo; and hopefully Nightcrawler as well.

Add in the staples of Mystique, Magneto, Beast and Charles; and it's pretty obvious that they will likely continue forward with these actors and actress and characters. Fassbender, McAvoy, Lawrence and Hoult are popular, so why would they ever think of moving away from them.

The other option would be to go back to the OT cast, but with the timeline of these movies that's not very likely. A good number of the OT cast is aging out, so we're unlikely to ever see them again.

So, what is the expected timeline of this Fantastic Four movie?

If it's in the past so they can hang out with the X-kids, is that really the best setting for the F4?

And if it's in the present then how exactly would a crossover work when the more popular X-characters (and actors) are aging out or are stuck in the 1980's?

It's a bit of a dilema, if you think about it...

It seems that they want what the Avengers gives, or what Justice League may give, but here's the problem... Both of those cinematic universes are set in the present, while the currently more popular X-Men are not. So are they willing to place the F4 in the past just to be able to do a crossover with the X-kids, when the whole point of the Ultimae F4 is to make them more modern in present day New York? Seems unlikely.

And really, the only benefit to doing this is to be able to have Franklin in a present set movie. And since Franklin's powers are too powerful, then a fair question is why. Why do that?

So the logical options are as follows:

1. Set this Fantastic Four movie in the 1980's or 1990's just so they can have a crossover movie with the X-kids.

2. Set this Fantastic Four movie in the present, which makes much more sense, but now they can only crossover with the OT cast, which are (at least some) aging out. Guess they could have cameos of some of the younger OT cast, like Rogue, Bobby, Kitty, etc.; but without the main characters that would be a pretty pitiful "cross-over".

3. Just do their own thing with no corss-over. This would effectively be admiting that the X-Men movie-verse is so convoluted as far as the timeline that trying to fit the F4 into it is just too difficult, and unfortunately that is something I agree with.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And this is Fox we are talking about, since when they ever had a box-office bomb in the last 5 years? Out of all the big 6 studios out there, its like the 1 studio that is very modest when it comes to the budget of their films. I can't think of any bomb they had in the last 5 years, maybe there were some disappointments but like John-Carter level of bomb or 47 Ronin level of bomb, I don't think so.

Speaking of which

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3874&p=.htm

 

[Donut]

Past success does not guarantee anything for the future & Im not sure how talking about fox's past success is relevant 2 a movie not even announced yet

 

[HIA]

too much negativity and insecurities on here to my taste. You guys know how to ruin the excitement, lol. Anyway, it was a decent discussion during 4 pages, time for me to move to another topic, I guess

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Quite tame and constructive compared to other sections involving the Fantastic Four

 

[marvelrobbins]

Quite tame and constructive compared to other sections involving the Fantastic Four

Indeed.It Is.

 

[psylockolussus]

he's the one that has actually teased the crossover recently, but to each its own, I guess
Fox will do it, its just a matter of when they'll announce it.

Just the fact he has brought it up more than once is something to take notice of. I mean, just with the picture of Ellen Page/Kate Mara together for an online video and he tweeted about it like as if Kitty/Invisible Woman are doing a cross-over. Like waste his time and tease people if he doesn't want it to happen. If Fox doesn't want to do it, Fox could easily tell him to stopping talking about it because it would just lead to people to assume things that won't even happen. Also, the fact that he's INCHARGE of both upcoming Fantastic Four and X-Men movies gives him some kind of power or at least a say.

 

[HIA]

thats what Ive been saying these days, but some user donts want to believe it, lol. I understand having some doubts with some studios, but this is the biggest moment for comic movies, and Fox is not stupid, they want big event movies too and this is their biggest chance.

Anyway, cant wait to see two of the most iconic superhero teams together fighting a huge threat. Now if they go to space, Id get crazy, lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox could easily tell him to stopping talking about it because it would just lead to people to assume things that won't even happen.

Same reason marvel and sony have never denied spider-man possibly being in the avengers even though sony obviously had their own plans and marvel don't need spider-man

its publicity and any publicity is good unless its bad publicity

 

[Super Jim]

I think a better way to discuss this may be to try to determine what stories are there (from Canon) that would constitute an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover and would translate well to the big screen.

Once we determine which stories there are we could then discuss what would be needed, as far as characters, etc., and then determine if it's even possible in the current X-Men movie-verse.

So, what crossover story would you like to see?

 

[HIA]

I dont have any especial desire, since I havent read any crossover yet, so as long as its a huge threat that requires all the help as posisble, and F4 call Scott or Hank for help, I'll be fine

 

[def28]

I dount even know if the F4/X-Men crossover would bring in more cash then an original trilogy film or Apocalypse. Pretty much all the X-Men just sell way more then those guys nowadays. The only thing I see actually bringing in a larger audience (besides the X-Men) is Galactus and Silver Surfer. Everyone loves Surfer and a proper Galactus would bring hype.

Unfortunately the F4 are just in a horrible position because all of their films have a bad rep, and fans havn't been buying their comics for quite some time. Their main comic has been canceled and relaunched 4 times now in the past 5 years to try and get better sales. It's extremely important that this new film makes a good impression, cause if it doesn't they will be screwed for even longer unless a revert to Marvel happens and they can ride on that success and media/merch exposure.

At this current time crossing the OT X-Men with Deadpool, Cable, Psylcoke, Archangel and the rest of X-Force in a massive movie would prove to be more beneficial. Those characters havn't really been portrayed at all and have a ton of positive anticipaiton behind them on their next big screen apperances.

 

[HIA]

for the general audience, Cable, Psylocke and the like are just another mutants. That wouldnt be an event in the public's eyes.

Unlike F4/XMen, everyone knows they are two completely different teams, so that along would take attention. A huge mutant crossover is awesome, definetly, but mainly for the fans. But Fox wants to appeal to a bigger audience than just us.

 

[def28]

for the general audience, Cable, Psylocke and the like are just another mutants. That wouldnt be an event in the public's eyes.

They are untapped and new. Same reason Quicksilver is selling right now.

That's like saying to the general audience F4 is just a bunch of other superheros. Difference is the audience knows that their films have all sucked. The mutants of X-Men just sell more in general to audiences then them.

Unlike F4/XMen, everyone knows they are two completely different teams, so that along would take attention. A huge mutant crossover is awesome, definetly, but mainly for the fans. But Fox wants to appeal to a bigger audience than just us.

So use the team that doesn't sell as much to do that?

It's more then likely the opposite, using X-Men's audience to boost the F4's. Which could be a good business strategy but also runs the risk of audiences not buying into a crossover that is not a very well known crossover team like Avengers or Justice League.

Merging only two seperate properties is gonna look puny compared to what Marvel and DC are doing with their worlds. It won't have the same effect and will be primarily riding on the X-Men's success through the past 14 years. Not the F4's.

Guess my overall point is if this was to happen it cant be a F4/X-Men mash up to grab a larger audience then X-Men already has. It has to be all of Foxs Marvel properties so X-Men, F4, X-Force, Silver Surfer, Deadpool etc. It has to look huge. Fox have alot to work with for sure. But this would really have to play it's cards right and start leading into it asap.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i hope this doesn't happen

not liking anything about Trank's Fantastic 4 movie

 

[BobJM]

X-Men has an expansive enough universe to crossover within itself.

Fox just needs to continue to introduce new teams/characters (Deadpool, rumored XForce) and well be all set.

Let the FF stay in it's own sandbox

 

[psylockolussus]

So, what crossover story would you like to see?

The only crossover between F4 and X-Men I read is Ultimate X4. So I don't have a suggestion about what comic-book story they should adapt BUT.... I really liked my idea about F4/X-Men living in two separate dimension/universe and their worlds colliding in the movie.

Also that way, people wouldn't ask where are the Fantastic Four 4 when X-men are fighting evil mutants or where are the X-Men when the F4 are fighting against Doctor Doom/Mole Man.

I don't even know if the F4/X-Men crossover would bring in more cash then an original trilogy film or Apocalypse.

Maybe not but for the Fantastic Four, it would help them a lot. But of course the next two Fantastic Four films has to be good and successful first.

Unlike F4/XMen, everyone knows they are two completely different teams, so that along would take attention. A huge mutant crossover is awesome, definetly, but mainly for the fans. But Fox wants to appeal to a bigger audience than just us.

Yeah, the thing about X-Force is when Fox finally releases the film, Fox would make sure that its a X-Men spin-off and not a separate property. But with the Fantastic Four, its not a X-Men spin-off, its a different property. In my opinion, a X-Men/X-Force cross-over wouldn't be that refreshing or unique compare to a Fantastic Four/X-Men movie. I just think it would come down to execution. Just because there hasn't been a good Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover in the comic-books it doesn't mean a writer or director can't make a great Fantastic 4/X-Men movie.

 

[def28]

But X-Force would be a completely different type of X-Men film. It's not gonna be the same film at the mansion. Different motivation, new name, new characters etc. Unless the characters all meet right away all fans and audiences will be talking about is when they will cross paths. Same with Deadpool, which is now 100% confirmed (while F4 is not) to be in the Fox X-Men verse. There's an obvious connection between X-Force and X-Men which is good. That's how Marvel got their expanded universe. F4 does not have that with X-Men right now. They literally have nothing connected to them for the past 14 years on film. If they want to play that game then F4 will need to hint at Deadpool or Apocalypse, and Deadpool will have to hint at Apocalypse and F4. It's all gotta be built upon. Not just pop up randomly.

It's ultimately about what characters the audience want to see more. And right now new characters as especially proven by GOTG and Quicksilver have been what's hitting with audiences. Suicide Squad is getting released after BvS for a reason. Same with the Deadpool footage Fox stopped taking down from youtube. Which was smart, they are marketing the film over a year in advance to everyone. Meanwhile we have seen almost nothing regarding the F4 less then a year from release. Including no shows from cons.

We live in a time where Harley Quinn, Deadpool and Rocket are top sellers and are extremely in demand. A main part of that in addition to the humor is the **** you I'll kill ya attitude. Which is also where X-Force resides. It's not by chance that Deadpool and Suicide Squad got their release dates soon after GOTG.