Homecoming The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread - Part 1

[X Knight]

Gwen will probably be Ultimate Gwen

and she'll just go by Lyn, cuz Gwen or Gwendolyn is just so outdated.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Yeah, I'm hoping she'll be Ultimate Gwen..sans the Carnage stuff.

 

[Neno_Kos]

and she'll just go by Lyn, cuz Gwen or Gwendolyn is just so outdated.

She will go by name Gabrielle. And later at the end of movie reveal she is Lyn.

 

[X Knight]

She will go by name Gabrielle. And later at the end of movie reveal she is Lyn.

sounds about right.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I really have no desire to see Gwen again. I already got a version of her I absolutely loved played by one of my favorite actresses.

I'd absolutely love a Spider-Gwen film though. Now that would be new and different.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I really have no desire to see Gwen again. I already got a version of her I absolutely loved played by one of my favorite actresses.

I'd absolutely love a Spider-Gwen film though. Now that would be new and different.

Yeah, I'm mostly in this camp too.

I honestly expect 'em to skip out on Gwen in this series.

 

[X Knight]

Yeah, I'm mostly in this camp too.

I honestly expect 'em to skip out on Gwen in this series.

just you wait. there will be a character who looks and acts just like Gwen, but will have a different name.

then they will introduce a character called Gwen who looks and acts nothing like Gwen.

these names are all interchangeable y'know.

 

[harryoscop]

TASM Gwen isn't anywhere near perfect, they can definitely improve on the character imo. I don't think they'll skip out on her entirely but I also don't think we'll be seeing traditional Gwen again.

 

[X Knight]

the thing with Gwen, is that the key, defining story arc for her involves her death. so, unless you plan on killing her off, and dealing with how that affects Peter and those around him, it's probably best not to include the character.

I'd be fine with no Gwen.

 

[Leenie]

If they ever do Gwen in these movies, I don't want to see her for a while.

I also don't want to see a full-blown Peter and MJ romance to happen too quickly either.

I just want something different, really. There's no point in "remaking" the character so soon again if they're just going to repeat the same beats as the previous films.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I think the beauty of casting such young actors and actresses is that we don't have to have any "One True Love" moments for awhile. We get to see Pete play the field and make mistakes, maybe even Black Cat if we're lucky!

 

[X Knight]

so, I found some more quotes that Zendaya made about her character "Michelle." I guess this explains more where the "super dry" wit will come in.

"Michelle’s kind of awkward, quiet, she kind of makes fun of everybody because she’s always in a book, always focused on studying. She has these one liners to kind of zing everybody"

and once again......that sounds nothing like MJ.

and you know who that sounds like?

Raven from Teen Titans, especially the 1st animated series. She was an awkward ( sort of ), quiet bookworm recluse who had a dry, sarcastic sense of humor. and she gradually opened up to her teammates as the show progressed.

I love Raven. but guess what, her character is so totally NOT MJ.

if anything, Starfire is more like MJ than Raven ever is. Raven is like the polar opposite of what MJ should be.

MJ should not be a sarcastic bookworm who makes fun of everybody with zingy one liners. and if she is, I actually find it quite unbelievable to go from that to someone totally completely opposite when she becomes more like classic MJ.

it would be like Raven suddenly acting ( and dressing ) like Starfire.

I don't think you'd change your personality that much.

 

[Stringer]

so one is not allowed to form an opinion and express said opinion until after they've seen the final film?

the boards would be a lot more boring and less interesting if we were to do that for every film. we'd have nothing to talk about while the film is being made. we'd have to wait until after the film comes out and after we've seen it to come here and discuss it.

No what you're doing is ignoring an aspect of this movie you've already praised. It would be one thing if you didn't like Holland in the role and everything else with the cast is an extension of that but no, you're critical of casting choices when you've already noted Marvel is already doing a good job of it.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Chloe-Moretz Grace or Elle Fanning are my choices for Gwen in the MCU.

 

[X Knight]

No what you're doing is ignoring an aspect of this movie you've already praised. It would be one thing if you didn't like Holland in the role and everything else with the cast is an extension of that but no, you're critical of casting choices when you've already noted Marvel is already doing a good job of it.

I'm sorry. I just don't get what you're saying. that doesn't even make any sense.

because I like Tom's casting, I have to like and praise and accept all future casting decisions or story decisions or whatever?

conversely, the only way I can be critical of the rest of the choices is if I'm also critical of Tom's casting??

what??

If I go to a restaurant, I order one dish and I like it. That means I have to like everything else that restaurant makes because I think they are "already doing a good job?"

What if I order another dish, and I hate it or the dish was served spoiled. I am not allowed to hate it or complain to the restaurant about it?

if I then have multiple, subsequent bad experiences at that restaurant, I am not allowed to form a negative opinion about the restaurant because I had a good initial experience?

 

[X Knight]

Chloe-Moretz Grace or Elle Fanning are my choices for Gwen in the MCU.

both could have been good choices for MJ, too. at least look wise.

though Elle gives me more of a Gwen vibe.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

both could have been good choices for MJ, too. at least look wise.

though Elle gives me more of a Gwen vibe.

This is true.

 

[NHawk19]

Not necessarily. Just means it won't unfold as it did in 616 universe, which is good as we already saw a moderately faithful version of that in TASM series. I love ASM 121-122 and all, but I'm not super excited to see Gwen die again, especially when that was one of the few things I thought TASM2 did extremely well.

There's still a chance we get Gwen in future MCU Spidey adventures, just don't expect green coat and purple skirt IMO.

That's all part of why I think they'll just avoid her at this point. I was never excited to see Gwen die or anything. Just thought after what Marvel did with Iron-Man, Thor, etc. we'd see a proper evolution of Pete's character. Part of that is the Gwen arc.

I got my hopes up with Pete in HS and everything else but skipping to MJ just eliminates pretty much all that. Honestly I was hoping if he was staying in HS that they'd hold off until either his Senior Prom or even college for MJ even making it into the series. Now though I'm not sure.

The stuff with Tony being his mentor really just rubs me the wrong way too. It detracts I think from Pete's burden and potentially provides the father figure that is supposed to be absent from his life. Pete is a really smart wise-ass with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

 

[Stringer]

I'm jumping to conclusions based on the subsequent casting choices, set pics, and character descriptions that have started to leak out.

true, the final result could turn out entirely different.

but right now, I'm not that confident.



so one is not allowed to form an opinion and express said opinion until after they've seen the final film?

the boards would be a lot more boring and less interesting if we were to do that for every film. we'd have nothing to talk about while the film is being made. we'd have to wait until after the film comes out and after we've seen it to come here and discuss it.

I'm sorry. I just don't get what you're saying. that doesn't even make any sense.

because I like Tom's casting, I have to like and praise and accept all future casting decisions or story decisions or whatever?

conversely, the only way I can be critical of the rest of the choices is if I'm also critical of Tom's casting??

what??

If I go to a restaurant, I order one dish and I like it. That means I have to like everything else that restaurant makes because I think they are "already doing a good job?"

What if I order another dish, and I hate it or the dish was served spoiled. I am not allowed to hate it or complain to the restaurant about it?

if I then have multiple, subsequent bad experiences at that restaurant, I am not allowed to form a negative opinion about the restaurant because I had a good initial experience?

I don't understand your confusion. Going off your example, you haven't tried the other dishes at the restaurant. You already enjoyed one dish there why assume the others aren't good when A: you haven't tried them B: you've already had a dish you enjoy there. You're steady trying to generalize my comments when I'm being specific to your complaints.

 

[MadVillainy]

If they ever do Gwen in these movies, I don't want to see her for a while.

I also don't want to see a full-blown Peter and MJ romance to happen too quickly either.

I just want something different, really. There's no point in "remaking" the character so soon again if they're just going to repeat the same beats as the previous films.

And that's why I was hoping that Zendaya wouldve played an original character.

I love MJ and Gwen but theyve been done. I know its been like 10 years since that last love action MJ but still

 

[X Knight]

I don't understand your confusion. Going off your example, you haven't tried the other dishes at the restaurant. You already enjoyed one dish there why assume the others aren't good when A: you haven't tried them B: you've already had a dish you enjoy there. You're steady trying to generalize my comments when I'm being specific to your complaints.

Ok. I think I'm starting to understand what you're saying.

You're saying that I have yet to see the film, and thus the rest of the cast in action, but I'm already making an assumption and jumping to conclusions. So, I should wait until I actually see the film until I form a conclusion.

Is that correct?

if so, I still disagree. you don't have to try something to form an opinion on something. You don't have to try a dish to form an opinion about it. Maybe it sounds or looks totally unappealing. If it sounds or looks unappealing to me, I'll pass on the dish.

is it making an assumption and jumping to conclusions? yes. it is.

but that doesn't mean you can't form an initial impression or opinion about something.

I don't have to see the final film to form an opinion about the casting choices.

I have a positive opinion about Keaton as the Vulture, even though I have yet to see the film.

I have a negative opinion about Zendaya and pretty much the rest of the HS cast, because I don't like the direction they seem to be going with those characters.

If I start hearing details about Vulture's character and story that I don't like, my opinion on his character may start to change. even though I liked the choice initially.

These are my opinions and impressions and feelings. They can and will change when I receive new information.

I don't see what's wrong with that?

and maybe the restaurant analogy wasn't the best one, as the creative process for food is different.

let's take a video game company ( like Bioware, Capcom, etc. ).

They make a game, I play it, I really enjoy it. Maybe I've played other games from this company in the past and I've enjoyed them.

So, I have a good track record with this company as I've had good experiences with their games.

I hear they are going to make a new game. it even has some characters from a prior game that I like. Naturally, I have high expectations for the new game.

But, as the game is being developed, I start hearing rumors, leaks, whatever that give me concern.

I see concept art or early screenshots, and the art style is totally different from the prior games. it's not a visual direction I care for. even the returning characters look completely different due to the new art style.

then I start hearing they are changing gameplay mechanics. prior games that I enjoyed were turn based RPGs, for example. now, they seem to be going for a more hack-n-slash action oriented RPG. I don't really like that.

then I start reading proposed story arcs and plot points that I don't like. I don't like the direction they seem to be going there.

so, as I'm learning about all of this stuff, even if some of it is just speculation and rumors, I'm going to start forming a negative opinion about the game. My high expectations will start dropping. And at some point, I may feel that the way this game is heading, it no longer appeals to me. I don't need to actually play the game to determine that I probably won't enjoy it.


so, even though I enjoyed prior games from this company, it doesn't mean I automatically will like future games from them.

 

[PeterBenParker]

the thing with Gwen, is that the key, defining story arc for her involves her death. so, unless you plan on killing her off, and dealing with how that affects Peter and those around him, it's probably best not to include the character.

I'd be fine with no Gwen.

Yeah, that's what the majority would expect/want when it comes to Gwen so I'd rather they just skip over her if they don't feel like telling her famous/infamous story. Most I've seen suggesting Gwen again are because they didn't care for the TASM take so they want her/it (the biggie) done more faithfully but it's kinda useless now to me to want that again.

• Raimi's Spider-Man had Green Goblin dropping MJ off a bridge to which Spidey saved (a nod to both TNGSD AND Ultimate Spider-Man)
  
• Webb's Spider-Man teased the bridge scene with Peter/Gwen but had her death take place in a clocktower by way of The Green Goblin (except it was Harry)

What else could they do, really? I guess they could adapt the story to a tee but we've pretty much seen the gist of it already.

So I'd either go for the Ultimate route with her (minus the death from Carnage and Gwen-Carnage) or just skip on her completely. The fact that we're getting MJ again in addition to Liz is enough for me.

 

[PeterBenParker]

And that's why I was hoping that Zendaya wouldve played an original character.

I love MJ and Gwen but theyve been done. I know its been like 10 years since that last love action MJ but still

We have Liz Allan.

 

[Havok83]

TASM Gwen isn't anywhere near perfect, they can definitely improve on the character imo. I don't think they'll skip out on her entirely but I also don't think we'll be seeing traditional Gwen again.

Gwen ws probably the best thing about ASM. That series wasnt perfect but one thing they got right was the Peter/Gwen romance. I thought they were a much better couple than Peter/MJ from the first series of films

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I got my hopes up with Pete in HS and everything else but skipping to MJ just eliminates pretty much all that.

The stuff with Tony being his mentor really just rubs me the wrong way too. It detracts I think from Pete's burden and potentially provides the father figure that is supposed to be absent from his life. Pete is a really smart wise-ass with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

I think it's reasonable to expect MJ and others in HS at this point in any adaptation because the creators now have the power of hindsight about what worked and stuck with the original characters.

I agree about Tony, but Peter has ALWAYS been chasing father figures since Uncle Ben died: Captain Stacy, Dr. Warren (kind of), Nathan Lubensky, even Tony Stark during the lead-up to Civil War.

Gwen ws probably the best thing about ASM. That series wasnt perfect but one thing they got right was the Peter/Gwen romance.

They weren't portrayed extremely realistically, and I don't even think their story was that great, but the chemistry between Garfield and Stone made every moment between the two memorable.