Batman Begins Things Batman Begins got Right/Wrong

[lonzoe]

Oh yeah I know that bruise was a rookie mistake. But that is part of the charm and learning curve of BB.

The fact that you are seeing broken ribs where there was none makes your posts a little hard to take seriously.

Oh so I dreamed it up now. Ribs broken or not he was still bleeding by the ribs in that scene I described. He should've been wounded for the rest of the climax. But instead Nolan pulled a Daredevil and somehow he was able to fight like nothing happened.

More damage than good? How? So he damaged one part of one transport system in Gotham, roof tops with the tumbler. But he saved everyones lives by stopping the fear gas from spreading. If he did not act everyone would die. Yes Gordon got a promotion for helping Batman. Gotham is not a nice place. He was aiding and abedding Batman for good reasons for crying out load.
Uh, Wayne Manor was also destroyed because of his carelessness. He should've known that the LOS would've track him down I mean he's Bruce Wayne and he practically gave the address of the city he was going to protect. Back on topic, he destroyed a s---tload of police cars as well as other vehicles (when he parked between two vehicles so he can fly over and drive on rooftops, which shouldn't even be able to hold the tumbler let alone a tank). He was wreckless and that excuse he made that Rachel was dying is BS. There could've been another way for him to handle that situation without bringing attention to himself,IMO. You already brought up the monorail stuff. "Gotham is not a nice place" WTF is that suppose to mean.That is a PATHETIC excuse to defend why Gordon got promoted. In reality, I'm speaking in Nolan language, why would someone promote a Sgt. to Lt. for helping a destructive, wreckless , sorry excuse for a hero who dresses up as a bat for destroying the most expensive monorail of Wayne Enterprises and Chicago City for? Batman did do more damage than good. He did more damage than the Hulk did in his own movie. Superman and Spiderman never caused as much property damage in their recent movies as Batman did in this .Case f--KIN Closed!

Your whole post is off base!

And you're off base BTW. Just another f--kin fanboy who refuses to see the flaws.

The bold is Lonzoe speaking.

 

[sasquatchs]

To be fair we don't yet know why Gordon was promoted or what GPD's attitude is towards Batman. The city's reaction to Batman is what I'm looking forward to most this time

 

[Swordmaster]

And you're off base BTW. Just another f--kin fanboy who refuses to see the flaws.

The bold is Lonzoe speaking.

Or perhaps he doesn't see flaws where you do? Albeit, the wound thing is a little far-fetched (I wish they'd gone into Alfred's medical background), but I assume Bruce thought that the League was dead, or at least like a headless chicken, with the death of Ra's.

 

[GoogleMe94]

I'm tired of the arguments between whats the " more faithful" film. Look, none of the Batman movies are really that faithful. The two most faithful are probably Begins and 89 but neither of them are any more or less faithful. In my opinion, 89 is more faithful because they took two-three huge liberties, while Begins takes tons of small liberties.

Gotham City in 89 is closest to Gotham from the comics. Even Batman Returns Gotham is more faithful because of this giant statues and stuff, Gotham in the comics always has big statues of gargoyles and man faces etc.

The killing of the Waynes (besides Joker doing it) is more faithful in setting and the events of leaving a movie, not a play like in Begins.

The Batmobile was always something built and made to look Batman-like rather than just being a military vehicle painted black.

We all know the huge differences of Joker killing the Waynes and Joker dying at the end, but besides that what's really not faithful to the comics?? Vicki Vale is even a character from the comics, while Rachel Dawes is made up.

Batman Begins turned Gotham into Metropolis practically, with giant futuristic trains. Honestly, I know Nolan was inspired by Blade Runner..but that's not Gotham. Instances like that are why Begins isn't as faithful as people think. Now The Dark Knight is inspired by Heat? That's not very Batman either.

They are both great movies, I like them equaly, but Batman 89 has a better atmosphere, and Begins has better character development.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

At this point it's basically Apples and Oranges with me, both films captured certain aspects of the character, Bale captured Bruce's youthful passion of becoming Batman and Keaton captured the jaded, tormented Bruce that Bale's Bruce will become.

 

[Prison Mike]

Bruce was too whiney for me in BB. I didn't like how he kept going to Lucius for everything and then using the stuff in public as Batman. I also didn't like Alfred's involvement in the movie. He was too much in the movie for my taste. I don't know, Bruce just came off as dumb in this movie. He didn't know that Ras would come back? Come on, I saw that coming from the beginning and I never read any spoilers about the film before it opened.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Bruce was too whiney for me in BB. I didn't like how he kept going to Lucius for everything and then using the stuff in public as Batman. I also didn't like Alfred's involvement in the movie. He was too much in the movie for my taste. I don't know, Bruce just came off as dumb in this movie. He didn't know that Ras would come back? Come on, I saw that coming from the beginning and I never read any spoilers about the film before it opened.

You'd be whiney too if you're whiney too if your parents were shot dead in front of you

 

[Anita18]

When I think whiny I think Anakin Skywalker.

 

[Prison Mike]

You'd be whiney too if you're whiney too if your parents were shot dead in front of you

Keaton's Batman was not whiney. He was brooding. There's a difference. I'll be fine with it just as long as Bruce is more serious in TDK and isn't acting like Anakin Skywalker/Emo Peter Parker.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Keaton's Batman was not whiney. He was brooding. There's a difference. I'll be fine with it just as long as Bruce is more serious in TDK and isn't acting like Anakin Skywalker/Emo Peter Parker.

He didnt act like Emo/Parker or Skywalker, not once in BB did you see Bruce in crying rage. Keaton's portrayal of Batman wasnt right for the time period that film took place in, If batman'89 would have been an adaptation of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, he would have been perfect.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Might as well throw my pet peeves...

1) Where was GOTH-am?

2) Bats coming out of nowhere in the chase down??? Cheap...

3) Falcone... menacing for about the first two minutes... whimpering bafoon thereafter... not sure Nolan is taking these mob characters seriously... I liked the take on Scarecrow though b/c it worked so well...

4) The last action sequence and the fight scenes at the Asylum/last shipment give me headaches... there are serious limitations with that bulky suit... hopefully they fix that in TDK...

5) Rachel...

 

[Nightwing1977]

You'd be whiney too if you're whiney too if your parents were shot dead in front of you

When I think whiny I think Anakin Skywalker.

 

[terry78]

I chalk up the mayhem and stupid mistakes to this being Batman's first outing. He just recently is out of his 20's, he learned some skills over the past few years, but he's never had to fight an actual criminal before. He's using the stuff he learned at the monastery, but he's not the perfect detective yet. I assume that by the time TDK takes place, he's not as sloppy.

 

[LexCorp]

Or perhaps he doesn't see flaws where you do? Albeit, the wound thing is a little far-fetched (I wish they'd gone into Alfred's medical background), but I assume Bruce thought that the League was dead, or at least like a headless chicken, with the death of Ra's.

Indeed - not flaws in my head. I'm no fanboy.

 

[lonzoe]

I chalk up the mayhem and stupid mistakes to this being Batman's first outing. He just recently is out of his 20's, he learned some skills over the past few years, but he's never had to fight an actual criminal before. He's using the stuff he learned at the monastery, but he's not the perfect detective yet. I assume that by the time TDK takes place, he's not as sloppy.

That works for Spidey.Batman not so much.The punisher (from 2004 movie)didn't make as much mistakes as Batman did in BB. Batman shouldn't be making these dimwitted mistakes. In TDK Batman is still causing damage in Chicagotham City again with the tumbler and with his batcycle(riding through windows and shooting rockets at something or someone, probably the joker). Is he trying to kill Joker? Anyways I doubt Iron Man will make as many mistakes as Batman did in BB because he didn't plan to be a superhero either when he was a kid just like Bruce in BB. Basically I'm saying thats pathetic that IM is more prepared than Batman was in BB. Batman should be able to rival Iron Man as far as superheroes go.IMO, Batman shouldn't be acting and thinking like a rookie eventhough he is one. All Nolan did was make a Marvel version of Batman, IMO. That s--- don't fly with me.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Batman shouldn't be acting and thinking like a rookie eventhough he is one.

But he is a rookie..... Batman isn't going to be perfect on the first outing, he has to make mistakes and LEARN from them, if you've paid attention to interviews with Nolan about TDK he talks about Bruce's learning from his actions as Batman. Alfred even calls him out after the chase scene in BB about being reckless and how his mission can't be personal.

 

[BubbaGump]

But he is a rookie..... Batman isn't going to be perfect on the first outing, he has to make mistakes and LEARN from them, if you've paid attention to interviews with Nolan about TDK he talks about Bruce's learning from his actions as Batman. Alfred even calls him out after the chase scene in BB about being reckless and how his mission can't be personal.

QFT. I loved how Bruce was a n00b in Begins. The learning process FTW.

 

[LexCorp]

That works for Spidey.Batman not so much.The punisher (from 2004 movie)didn't make as much mistakes as Batman did in BB. Batman shouldn't be making these dimwitted mistakes. In TDK Batman is still causing damage in Chicagotham City again with the tumbler and with his batcycle(riding through windows and shooting rockets at something or someone, probably the joker). Is he trying to kill Joker? Anyways I doubt Iron Man will make as many mistakes as Batman did in BB because he didn't plan to be a superhero either when he was a kid just like Bruce in BB. Basically I'm saying thats pathetic that IM is more prepared than Batman was in BB. Batman should be able to rival Iron Man as far as superheroes go.IMO, Batman shouldn't be acting and thinking like a rookie eventhough he is one. All Nolan did was make a Marvel version of Batman, IMO. That s--- don't fly with me.

That's becuase the Punisher in the movie was a cop witch comes with a certain amount of detective skills

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Might as well throw my pet peeves...

1) Where was GOTH-am?

2) Bats coming out of nowhere in the chase down??? Cheap...

1.) Gotham was designed after New York City, that's why it's called Gotham City; Gotham was a nickname given to NYC. Originally, Batman was just going to live in NYC itself. The overly gothic style emerged much, much later and is not the be-all, end-all. In fact, Gotham is more often than not just a grimy, modern, industrialized city. Given its often said to be located in or around New Jersey, there are frequent comparisons to Newark (I live by Newark, and the comparisons are accurate).

2.) Ask Frank Miller. Nolan took that scene directed from Batman: Year One. It's a device that emits a high frequency that attracts bats. We're never shown how far Wayne Manor is from the Narrows, so we can assume they either came from there, or from various other locations where bats happened to be nesting. You can't suspend your disbelief that much?

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

QFT. I loved how Bruce was a n00b in Begins. The learning process FTW.

I was defending the fact that Bruce was a rookie.

 

[LexCorp]

1.) Gotham was designed after New York City, that's why it's called Gotham City; Gotham was a nickname given to NYC. Originally, Batman was just going to live in NYC itself. The overly gothic style emerged much, much later and is not the be-all, end-all. In fact, Gotham is more often than not just a grimy, modern, industrialized city. Given its often said to be located in or around New Jersey, there are frequent comparisons to Newark (I live by Newark, and the comparisons are accurate).

2.) Ask Frank Miller. Nolan took that scene directed from Batman: Year One. It's a device that emits a high frequency that attracts bats. We're never shown how far Wayne Manor is from the Narrows, so we can assume they either came from there, or from various other locations where bats happened to be nesting. You can't suspend your disbelief that much?

Indeed there is no casue for concern

 

[Damiean Dark]

Say what you want B89 Gotham looked better as a city on its way to collapse just watching the skyline at the start of the movie gives you a feeling of oppression. BB was just lazy using chicago just as they where in not creating a new batmobile.

 

[LexCorp]

Say what you want B89 Gotham looked better as a city on its way to collapse just watching the skyline at the start of the movie gives you a feeling of oppression. BB was just lazy using chicago just as they where in not creating a new batmobile.

What B89s Gotham was about as real as the easter bunny. Not very impressive.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

What B89s Gotham was about as real as the easter bunny. Not very impressive.

Furst's design is the best ever.

 

[GoogleMe94]

Furst's design is the best ever.

QFT. unlike nolans gotham or schumachers gotham, burton gothams (there both the same but with slight differences) actually felt the most like Gotham to me, it had something comic bookish and dark/smokey about it that made it seem dark but surreal at the same time. perfect balance of design aesthetic and realism. then schumacher took over and when totally neon on everything, and nolans gotham was more like Metropolis and/or schumachers gotham but without the neon. i loved burtons dark art deco gotham much better, it really captured the feel of the comics and of batmans world. the other 2 gothams did nothing for me emotionally or aesthetically.