Batman Begins Things Batman Begins got Right/Wrong

[-Arya-]

Well I thought Id put my two cents on this film 3 years after I initally saw it but here are my thoughts.

I will be honost and say that at first I didnt like BB at all. To me I left the movie theater saying to myself, "that wasnt Batman at all!!" I was dissapointed with most of the things in the movie. I now realize this was due to me being so accustomed to Burton and Joel's visions of Batman that I didnt give Nolan a shot at it.

It took multiple views of the film and reading of some of the comics until I realized how excellent BB actually was. Bale did an amazing job as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. He portrayed the fact that Batman was human and not some unbeatable monster. My favorite scenes are the Gotham Docks scene where we first see Batman in action leading up to the inevitable line, "IM BATMAN" which I loved and the other scene would be the one with Scarecrow in that room with all the rabbits containing the toxins. That whole scene was just great starting from the moment batman entered the room until he flew out in a blaze.

Now let me talk about the fight scenes. I personally had no problem with them at all. I only couldnt tell what was happening during the dock scene but I believe that was done intentianally by Nolan to add mystery to Batman. You can even see Falcone squeak his eyes at the fight, not knowing who or what was attacking them. I thought it set up the Batman persona perfectly. The fight scenes that followed could be seen easily after a few run throughs of the film and I throughly enjoyed them.

I had no problem with bale as Batman other than the voice at certain instances and the line,"it not who I am, Blah blah blah!!!!!" Thats the only scene where it ruined it for me. Other than that I enjoyed the film immensely but it did take multiple views until I could get out of the Burton Joel Shumachhur (sp?) funk.

I am now impatiently waiting for The Dark Knight. I have never been so exicted for a movie

 

[Batman jr.]

Wrong:

The fight scenes
Katie Holmes
Tom Wilkinson
Overuse of the word "criminals"


That's it. Some people are looking for weird details just to bash a film. I wonder when someone brings up the fact that Gordon doesn't have grey hair...

8/10

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Tom Wilkenson was great....how could that have been wrong???

The fight scenes were great for me too.

And I don't really remember them overusing the word criminal. I'd probably agree more to the overuse of the term "mind your surroundings", although I think the complaint on that is more based on watching the movie alot of times.

Katie Holmes, for me....is really the only wrong committed.

Even writing wise, the things they altered seemed right to me. Things like Joe Chill and the way he was handled, and the way they handled Bruce's leaving Gotham without any paper trail and basically making him a homeless man (further breaking down the rich boy he once was) seemed right too.

But Holmes....yeah....

 

[BurningBallroom]

Katie Holmes. I'm sorry, I didn't like her. The only thing she did well was have a similar appearance to her child counterpart.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The only thing she did right was lay still as Batman saved her.

That's about it.

And her scene with Bruce at the hotel and at the end were actually decent, I thought.

 

[sasquatchs]

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[sasquatchs]

Best part of a year later and I still have the same issues with it. There's not much more to take from it after the first viewing, although it's still quite fun

 

[sasquatchs]

Batman was never perfect, if he was he wouldn't have gone with the most ineffective, most self-destructive means of expressing his feelings over his dead parents. That's what people forget. Batman is OBSESSIVE, and this Batman wasn't, he needed to be pushed to do everything. Batman is so obsessive in fact he pushes everyone else, away from him. This makes Alfred all the more important, because Alfred, after all these years, is the only man still around who will put up with Bruce's bullsh**. This movie killed that. It had Lucius Fox, Alfred, Rachel Dawes and Ra's Al Ghul (Ducard) all become more influencial on Bruce than Bruce himself.

In the original stories most of his "falling outs" with his masters and teachers delt solely with the fact that, after Bruce had learned what he needed from them, he couldn't shake his own selfish needs. With the FBI, he refused to work with the system trying to solve people's problems, and decided his way was better. With master Kirgi, he refused to learn to calm himself and control his emotions, effectively ending his training. With Ducard, he refused to compromise his own morals. In the colleges he attended he refused to make friends, form bonds and stick with one institution, all because they couldn't give him what he wanted. Those are imperfections, even if he was in the right sometimes, he still pushed away those who truly wanted to help him. In this movie he embraced all the help that came his way, making him seem needy, dependent, and even worse, leaving a paper trail of who he was right back to his doorstep.

This ultimately is why this Batman turned out to be some "Ninja-man" rather than any true depiction of the character. This Batman wasn't "working the kinks out", he was having others solve his dilemnas for him. "I need some light weight fabrics", "I need a car", "I need an antidote", "I need, I need, I need, I need...". If Batman was the kind of guy who talked about what he "needed" all the time, there'd be no Batman.

I also don't get how Batman not making a vow and sticking to it is somehow more realistic than "I'm gonna be an angry, immature kid for a while, but in the last 2 or 3 years I'll figure something out". As if I don't exist, or pro-athletes don't exist, or olypmians don't exist. There are people out there who make goals and stick to them, fyi. I hate how it's become a cliche' in Hollywood that for a hero to be "realistic" he has to be unmotivated, lazy and otherwise just like the couch potatoes who watch him, then magically he'll find this super-secret ninja training that takes him from scrawny to brawny in under a year...yeah, that's totally realistic

Well put, the lack of independence made the origin unrewarding, it's basically one long lecture. Trail and error, trying more traditional avenues and realizing they weren't working, justifying his choices etc, would have been more interesting. It's a short-term dalliance in this version

 

[deathfromabove]

Furthermore Bruce doesn't have to be an expert in all fields, just really, really smart. For example, the line "was I suppose to understand any of that?" was an absolute killer for me.

he was obviously playing dumb to fox with that line

 

[Ammo]

My only true gripe with Begins is the guy who says "The water system is gonna blow."

Might be some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

As far as I'm concerned, Begins is THE definitive take on Batman. I love the more realistic take on Batman and how someone could become a vigilante through intense training, money and connections.

One of the appealing things about Batman to me is that a normal person can become something similar in the right situation.

 

[terry78]

My only true gripe with Begins is the guy who says "The water system is gonna blow."

Might be some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

As far as I'm concerned, Begins is THE definitive take on Batman. I love the more realistic take on Batman and how someone could become a vigilante through intense training, money and connections.

One of the appealing things about Batman to me is that a normal person can become something similar in the right situation.

Well, I don't know about all that.

 

[Ammo]

Well, I don't know about all that.

Bats purists from the comic book sense I'm sure will disagree.

But I've always loved the fact that Batman is human, and the more "realistic" take, the better as far as I go.

 

[Psoliagos]

Wow i just stumbled across this thread and goddamn Batman Begins must have been worst than B&R for you guys!

I mean, you nitpick about the microwave emitter? So, you dont want the movie so grounded in reality but then you cant suspend your disbelief just a bit? As if the comics you read and judge the film by are so realistic!

Then others nitpick about Crane? Boohoohoo he wasnt ugly like teh comiczors! Guess what: He ruled! Murphy was a revelation and his Scarecrow wasnt the main villain so they just tasered him to use him in TDK again.
And again: Boohoohoo that is not the Flass i knew! Nolan you raped my childhood! Gimme a break, its ok for Miller to rape batman as he likes, but Nolan cant change a minor character to his needs?

You guys are way overanalysing.

And sasquach: When someone discards every aspect of something, he is really close minded. Even B&R has some good points.
So when you re saying that the characters in BB had poor motivations (after all this lecturing and explaining of said motives) or that the characters are good or bad, when Ra's and even Bruce himself walk in between, YOU ARE TALKING CRAP.

I am sorry, but you are!

 

[Psoliagos]

My only true gripe with Begins is the guy who says "The water system is gonna blow."

Might be some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

As far as I'm concerned, Begins is THE definitive take on Batman. I love the more realistic take on Batman and how someone could become a vigilante through intense training, money and connections.

One of the appealing things about Batman to me is that a normal person can become something similar in the right situation.

What this guy says!
I also like the journey of all this.
Some people prefer the simple transformation, Bruce choosing to become batman at the age of 12, but i really liked the emotional journey that he went through. Much more realistic and interesting. Those are the feelings a normal person would go through and it was nice to see them in such and absolute character as batman.

People complain about shallow or poor motivations but when all this range of emotions that Bruce went through all those years are explained, they go:

ITS NOT LIKE TEH COMICS! Bruce became batman at the age of 12. He was that mature and super genius at the time! Excelsior!

Just to contribute in this thread: I didnt like Wilkinson's accent, nor did i feel his threat. On the contrary, when i hear Jay White's voice or look at Roberts' intimidating eyes, i crap my pants. I respect and love Wilkinson as an actor, but he wasnt made for this role. White and Roberts were gangstas in their previous lives.

Also, i didnt like Holmes, but i liked Rachel as a character and her importance to Bruce's life. She also helped Nolan flesh out his childhood and his surroundings, just like Earl (love that guy) and the board helped flesh out Wayne Ent.

 

[Psoliagos]

Batman was never perfect, if he was he wouldn't have gone with the most ineffective, most self-destructive means of expressing his feelings over his dead parents. That's what people forget. Batman is OBSESSIVE, and this Batman wasn't, he needed to be pushed to do everything. Batman is so obsessive in fact he pushes everyone else, away from him. This makes Alfred all the more important, because Alfred, after all these years, is the only man still around who will put up with Bruce's bullsh**. This movie killed that. It had Lucius Fox, Alfred, Rachel Dawes and Ra's Al Ghul (Ducard) all become more influencial on Bruce than Bruce himself.

In the original stories most of his "falling outs" with his masters and teachers delt solely with the fact that, after Bruce had learned what he needed from them, he couldn't shake his own selfish needs. With the FBI, he refused to work with the system trying to solve people's problems, and decided his way was better. With master Kirgi, he refused to learn to calm himself and control his emotions, effectively ending his training. With Ducard, he refused to compromise his own morals. In the colleges he attended he refused to make friends, form bonds and stick with one institution, all because they couldn't give him what he wanted. Those are imperfections, even if he was in the right sometimes, he still pushed away those who truly wanted to help him. In this movie he embraced all the help that came his way, making him seem needy, dependent, and even worse, leaving a paper trail of who he was right back to his doorstep.

This ultimately is why this Batman turned out to be some "Ninja-man" rather than any true depiction of the character. This Batman wasn't "working the kinks out", he was having others solve his dilemnas for him. "I need some light weight fabrics", "I need a car", "I need an antidote", "I need, I need, I need, I need...". If Batman was the kind of guy who talked about what he "needed" all the time, there'd be no Batman.

I also don't get how Batman not making a vow and sticking to it is somehow more realistic than "I'm gonna be an angry, immature kid for a while, but in the last 2 or 3 years I'll figure something out". As if I don't exist, or pro-athletes don't exist, or olypmians don't exist. There are people out there who make goals and stick to them, fyi. I hate how it's become a cliche' in Hollywood that for a hero to be "realistic" he has to be unmotivated, lazy and otherwise just like the couch potatoes who watch him, then magically he'll find this super-secret ninja training that takes him from scrawny to brawny in under a year...yeah, that's totally realistic

Wait, what? He was training for years!

Also, Nolan made his batman realistic, so he opted to have Fox and his dept make the tools for batman. It would be impossible for bruce to make the batmobile himself right?
He did make the batarangs though! He also painted the suit.

In any case, this Bruce isnt the dick we know. He will turn into the dick we know. He was a lost kid who journeyed through life, pain and loss to become batman. Its just a different take on things but i respect it if you dont like it.

Also, that dick Batman you refer to was introduced by Miller. Before him, people were: "Batman? A dick? AW HELL NAW!" Now its trendy to have batman being a dick for no apparent reason. The more dick a writer pointlessly makes him, the more important he feels his story will be.

 

[Psoliagos]

He can be defeated by an average girl with a taser.

You could take out the Joker or even the great Ra's with a taser. I know that they could have pitted the scarecrow against batman and have him escape or something, but the movie already had a bigger villain there to be handled. Besides.... Guess who's back in TDK and who's crashing his party.....

Maybe you never read the comics then. Bruce can't make everything like you thought he would. I have Batman #0 & Detective Comics #0. Both show his origin & how he got his stuff. Guess what? One of the stuff he took from his own company was a Batmobile, just like in BB. He did made his Batarangs in the comics too as we see in BB as well. Fox was even in the comics if anyone never pick up a comic or read the origin story. BB surely borrow many things from the comics on how & where he get his toys.

Again, Batman may be smart but he can't do everything. Iron Man is smarter than him. Batman is only smart with using detective skills & making small gadgets, not inventing Batmobile or heavy stuff like that.

They are both considered geniuses to the Nth power.
Its just that Bruce doesnt build ironman suits. Its what suits the medium.

Clearly Tony had to be able to make his own suit. If batman ever did that he would be the IronBatMan.

Just like the Atom has his own science and his own field of expertise.

Thanks for that completely unbiased comment, Spunky. Look, I loved Nicholson's Joker, I loved De Vito's Penguin (black goo and all), I loved Pfeiffer's Catwoman, hell, I even loved Jim Carrey's Riddler. I just loved Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow more. Figured I was allowed to express my opinion without eye rolling...

I loved Murphy and his Scarecrow. Jack wasnt really the joker either was he? I mean, just as people say that the scarecrow is supposed to be ugly, the joker is supposed to be thin.

In any case, loved Murphy and loved Liam Neeson. His Ra's and the character's ties to bruce (his mentor and all) really made the character for me. Neeson's acting and that bond with Bruce made this Ra's my favourite villain. Their confrontation was more than bad guy vs good guy. It was master vs student. I loved how surprised he was when he first saw batman. "Well, you took my advice about theatricality a bit...literally...."

 

[Ammo]

Wait, what? He was training for years!

Also, Nolan made his batman realistic, so he opted to have Fox and his dept make the tools for batman. It would be impossible for bruce to make the batmobile himself right?
He did make the batarangs though! He also painted the suit.

In any case, this Bruce isnt the dick we know. He will turn into the dick we know. He was a lost kid who journeyed through life, pain and loss to become batman. Its just a different take on things but i respect it if you dont like it.

Also, that dick Batman you refer to was introduced by Miller. Before him, people were: "Batman? A dick? AW HELL NAW!" Now its trendy to have batman being a dick for no apparent reason. The more dick a writer pointlessly makes him, the more important he feels his story will be.

I don't see Bats becoming a total dick. It's not mainstream enough. Too many people will be turned off by it.

I can see him "falling into this monster of his," though. I can see him being depicted as more driven.

You'll see a Batman closer to TAS Batman than All-Star or Dark Knight Returns Batman, IMO. It'll be somewhere in between though. Main difference being Bruce Wayne is clearly more of a billionaire playboy in Nolan's depiction.

 

[Psoliagos]

Sorry about the multiple posts.
Can someone explain to me whats wrong with Scarecrow's mask? Its like a potato sack? Well, arent potato sacks used for making a scarecrow's head? What the hell people?

 

[Psoliagos]

I don't see Bats becoming a total dick. It's not mainstream enough. Too many people will be turned off by it.

I can see him "falling into this monster of his," though. I can see him being depicted as more driven.

You'll see a Batman closer to TAS Batman than All-Star or Dark Knight Returns Batman, IMO. It'll be somewhere in between though. Main difference being Bruce Wayne is clearly more of a billionaire playboy in Nolan's depiction.

Nolan will never make his batman like the all-star.

Also, he and bale both promised that Batman is more focused this time around. He has more confidence in himself and he is more driven. And they even include detective work!

Batman is a comic book hero whose story has been told a million times by thousands of writers, and each time something is refined, something is improved, something is changed to go with the times.

But Batman still is a comic book character and remains absolute and ideal in many cases.

Nolan made every transition, every feeling come through a process of thoughts, actions, interactions. In comics some things are the way they are. Bruce is a dick in many comic books without a reason. So you say good morning and he will punch you in the face. No reason for that. Just like Catwoman is bat**** insane and *****y and wants to kill Robin in Hush, because....errr...... Because!

So i have to give kudos to Nolan for doing all this. For grounding batman into the real world and giving him reasons and real feeling instead of going: When his parents died, he became batman. Because when something like that happens, you dont become batman. You either get past it, or you seek revenge.

To wrap this up, i see Bruce losing himself a bit in his monster of his in TDK. Not too much, but a bit. He will become more serious, more mature, more miserable. But he wont become Miller's batman thank god. Thats my take on it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wait, what? He was training for years

Not according to the movie, or at least the story doesn't match up very well. According to the movie he did nothing until, presumeably, his 2nd or 3rd year of College, basically biding his time until he had the perfect opportunity to off Joe Chill, effectively avenging his parents. There was a suggestion on the mountain that he had some formal training, but when pressed for more information by Ra's Al Ghul (Ducard) he produces a story which reveals him as only a vagabond and street urchin for several years before landing himself in a prison. It even states in the movie itself that the training with Ducard only encompased a few measely months before he turned traitor on them. Also, for someone who knows something about physical discipline, living on the streets is no way to hone a physique. The diet and nutrition needed to maintain lean tissue is a science unto itself -- although I'll let this slide since most actors don't go to great lengths to explain their supermodel like physiques in movies.

Also, Nolan made his batman realistic, so he opted to have Fox and his dept make the tools for batman. It would be impossible for bruce to make the batmobile himself right?
He did make the batarangs though! He also painted the suit.

Which, in turn, highlighted the problem with the Batmobile. You think if I stole a concept tank from the military, painted it black and then ran it throughout the town causing millions in damage, no one would...ummm...notice. The suit was clever because with that it wasn't one piece of equipment, it was several, from all parts of the globe. By putting it together themselves they made something unique, which didn't draw attention to one person or company. In the case of the car they made something recognizeable that could be easily traced back to Wayne's doorstep. No, Bruce doesn't have to be able to build a car, but certainly assembling one from pre-made parts -- maybe even with the help of a man like Fox -- would have been much more logical, especially in this "real world" environment they unsuccessfully tried to create.

In any case, this Bruce isnt the dick we know. He will turn into the dick we know. He was a lost kid who journeyed through life, pain and loss to become batman. Its just a different take on things but i respect it if you dont like it.

In effect creating a very immature, adolescent Batman. Look at the great characters of movies: Michael Corleone, the Deer Hunter, Travis from Taxi Driver...most of them have very adult responses to the world around them...and quiet frankly, are *****. It's quite possible to make a believeable, real world, adult character like that. Someone that driven, that insane (to be frank), that he acts in such an isolating, solitary manner. I don't see why movies insist on dumbing down these characters time and again, but if you respect that kind of shoddy writing, that's your bag I suppose.

Also, that dick Batman you refer to was introduced by Miller. Before him, people were: "Batman? A dick? AW HELL NAW!" Now its trendy to have batman being a dick for no apparent reason. The more dick a writer pointlessly makes him, the more important he feels his story will be.

Really, you're wrong again. The "dick" Batman dates as far back as the creator himself, Bob Kane. The light hearted Batman only came about because of Wertham and his much dreaded comic code, but the writing was on the wall long before Miller came along. Grant Morrison, Neal Adams and hell, Bruce F***ing Cartoon Timm all have used the dickish Batman...and don't for a second tell me that kids didn't relate to or love Bruce Timm's incarnation of BTAS/BGK/JLU.

 

[Yurka]

Its not really something begins "got wrong" but one of my biggest problems with begins is an editing problem, the cop on the roof during the chase scene that says "Turn off your engine" is the same cop in the tunnel a few minutes later that says "At least tell me what it looks like".

 

[Psoliagos]

Not according to the movie, or at least the story doesn't match up very well. According to the movie he did nothing until, presumeably, his 2nd or 3rd year of College, basically biding his time until he had the perfect opportunity to off Joe Chill, effectively avenging his parents. There was a suggestion on the mountain that he had some formal training, but when pressed for more information by Ra's Al Ghul (Ducard) he produces a story which reveals him as only a vagabond and street urchin for several years before landing himself in a prison. It even states in the movie itself that the training with Ducard only encompased a few measely months before he turned traitor on them. Also, for someone who knows something about physical discipline, living on the streets is no way to hone a physique. The diet and nutrition needed to maintain lean tissue is a science unto itself -- although I'll let this slide since most actors don't go to great lengths to explain their supermodel like physiques in movies.

First of all, when Bruce first enters the League's temple you can see that he knows many fighting styles. He hasnt mastered them yet and "he relies more on courage and brutality than skill" as the producers comment in the extras. That can be seen in the prison fight where you clearly see Bruce fighting like a bull rather than a high-class fighter.

I dont know how long he trained for the league, but it seemed enough. Enough for him to become Ra's greatest student. Lets not get into technicalities of whether that was 2 or 3 years or 2.5 years. I think it was quite some time.

Which, in turn, highlighted the problem with the Batmobile. You think if I stole a concept tank from the military, painted it black and then ran it throughout the town causing millions in damage, no one would...ummm...notice. The suit was clever because with that it wasn't one piece of equipment, it was several, from all parts of the globe. By putting it together themselves they made something unique, which didn't draw attention to one person or company. In the case of the car they made something recognizeable that could be easily traced back to Wayne's doorstep. No, Bruce doesn't have to be able to build a car, but certainly assembling one from pre-made parts -- maybe even with the help of a man like Fox -- would have been much more logical, especially in this "real world" environment they unsuccessfully tried to create.

I think that the movie would be lost in those redundant details and lose all the fun out of it if you had it your way. Of course maybe they could have Fox say something like: "i'll do some mods to it so that noone can recognise it". But i mean, dont get lost in all those pedantic details. I mean, look at the tracks the batmobile leaves on the mud road. The police could surely trace it back to the cave! And so much more. This is a movie dude! Dont get spoiled over this. You know that Ironman's suit cant really fly right?

In effect creating a very immature, adolescent Batman. Look at the great characters of movies: Michael Corleone, the Deer Hunter, Travis from Taxi Driver...most of them have very adult responses to the world around them...and quiet frankly, are *****. It's quite possible to make a believeable, real world, adult character like that. Someone that driven, that insane (to be frank), that he acts in such an isolating, solitary manner. I don't see why movies insist on dumbing down these characters time and again, but if you respect that kind of shoddy writing, that's your bag I suppose.

You are wrong. In begins we arent talking about Batman, but about Bruce Wayne. He wasnt instantly transformed to batman as in the comics. He went through a much bigger ordeal, just like it happens in real life. Nolan said than in TDK bruce will be the bruce we know. He now has confidence and determination. Having all his skills and character attributes from the age of 12 is bad writing, not the other way around. Frankly, to me, Nolan outdid the comics here. The comics simply turn him into a superhuman dick after his parents murder and then have him train around the world.
Call me weird, but i find the character development more important than the "fighter-escape artist development". It helped me connect and sympathise with Bruce. And i marvel at Nolan's psychological analysis and way of explaining Bruce's motivations.
Maybe he hit us over the head with it, but i liked how he explained why Bruce left to discover the criminal fraternity. It wasnt like "umm.....yeah i got it....i will discover the criminal world!"

And the best part for me was that bruce was lost. Even for a man of his means, he was lost and didnt know how to accomplish his mission after exploring the criminal world. I loved how Ra's came and rescued him and offered him a path. Bruce wanted to do something, but before that he didnt know exactly what and how.

Really, you're wrong again. The "dick" Batman dates as far back as the creator himself, Bob Kane. The light hearted Batman only came about because of Wertham and his much dreaded comic code, but the writing was on the wall long before Miller came along. Grant Morrison, Neal Adams and hell, Bruce F***ing Cartoon Timm all have used the dickish Batman...and don't for a second tell me that kids didn't relate to or love Bruce Timm's incarnation of BTAS/BGK/JLU.

I knew it went back, i didnt know it went that back in time!
Man, i love batman and his dick self. I just dont like it when its over the top because the writer thinks its edgy and cool. When for example Batman acts like a lunatic or when he rejects his Bruce Wayne personna, i dont like it.

I know that he has no interest in being bruce, but you cant have Zorro or superman or whoever being in the ****ing costume all the ****ing time.


PS: In BTAS, the dickery was handled nicely. Notice that he wasnt a dick from year one. He was secluded, focused, genius and weird, but he wasnt a dick. He gradually became one throughout the years. In the 4th and final season, he reaches the maximum and there you have Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing and being at odds with him and stuff. So you can bawww at Bruce Timm as well for bad writing. His batman wasnt at the maximum dickery from the first time he put the cowl on.

 

[Psoliagos]

Its not really something begins "got wrong" but one of my biggest problems with begins is an editing problem, the cop on the roof during the chase scene that says "Turn off your engine" is the same cop in the tunnel a few minutes later that says "At least tell me what it looks like".

Goddamn it! Why did you have to point it out to us?

 

[Yurka]

Goddamn it! Why did you have to point it out to us?

Im sorry, I was debating if I should say anything

 

[Conebone69]

I honestly have no complaints about BB. Except maybe the bum that said, "nice ride." That's hardly a complaint though. But it was a great, quality film Everything I would of hoped for in a batman movie