Cavill's hair. He has gorgeous hair and needs to let it out instead of being shackled to the slick back style the production has thrust upon him in an eternal prison of dated servitude.
Let Snyder stamp more of his vision and move away from the Nolan superhero aesthetic -- which we're guaranteed to see with MoS2 being more of a Snyder-Affleck-Terrio vehicle. For that I'm excited to see what comes out from this new collaboration.
Just let Snyder loose like he did in Watchman, but I don't want more light this is not a movie about light moments, it needs to be intense and have really high tension. Lighter moments only in and around The Daily Planet, but they need to come few and far between (which can be tricky because they then tend to feel out of place).
I feel the Marvel approach is way too far a tone for this type of movie. So pretty much keep it in line and just let Snyder roll.
Color palette, handheld, approach to Superman's powers and action scenes for more impact and CGI (use it only when completely necessary). Maybe it's just me but the action scenes felt so hollow and paper-like. Also Superman's powers didn't feel like anything special or anything to be in awe of. Due to Batman being a human, his action scenes may probably have more impact than Superman's which you don't want in a Superman movie. Unless they figure out a way to bring real weight to every super thing he does, he's in danger of being out-shined and less interesting than Bats.
For there to actually be a sense that the hero might be in grave and real peril, like in TWS. I never got the sense in MOS that Superman was really getting hurt or wondered how he would pull through. In the Zod fight especially, they were just hitting each other without damage which gave the fight a lot less intensity or impact than it should have.
Dudes, I respectfully disagree. IMO what made Superman so seamlessly fit into the mundane human world (which he certainly did in MOS) was that Snyder
didn't use his usual slo-mo tricks. I'd be very happy if it stayed that way. There's no need to use slo-mo, because when he wanted to show the Kryptonians moving super-fast, that's exactly what he did.
Snyder' s Metropolis, in fact the entire world in MOS wasn't stylized or cartoonish at all, which made it an even better contrast with Krypton and it made the Kryptonian ships and technology look even more other-worldly.
No slow-mo necessary.
To be honest, I find the slo-mo kind of a Michael Bay move, and really over-used in general.
But that's just IMO. We'll see what Snyder decides to go with in B v S.
Dudes, I respectfully disagree. IMO what made Superman so seamlessly fit into the mundane human world (which he certainly did in MOS) was that Snyder
didn't use his usual slo-mo tricks. I'd be very happy if it stayed that way. There's no need to use slo-mo, because when he wanted to show the Kryptonians moving super-fast, that's exactly what he did.
Snyder' s Metropolis, in fact the entire world in MOS wasn't stylized or cartoonish at all, which made it an even better contrast with Krypton and it made the Kryptonian ships and technology look even more other-worldly.
No slow-mo necessary.
To be honest, I find the slo-mo kind of a Michael Bay move, and really over-used in general.
But that's just IMO. We'll see what Snyder decides to go with in B v S.
I agree. I'm not a fan of slow motion scenes either. It worked in matrix and it worked in wanted but sometimes it best to see our action scenes raw and at full intensity. Superman and the kryptonians felt like gods In MoS because he didn't slow the action down so we could follow along leisurely. It was fast, chaotic, and just flat insane. I was in awe.
I think a lot will change based on Batman's presence. If Batman and Superman are two different sides of the same coin, the differences will need to be visual as well as script based. Superman, whether it be his costume or his Metropolis, will be lighter and brighter than Gotham and Batman. There could be humour from Superman which won't be as dark/macabre as the humour we get from the Gotham cast perhaps.
I think the changes many are talking about will be a natural progression for Superman's character arc. His world in BvS will resemble the one we know from comics a lot more. I can't wait
I saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and I want....except I forget that this movie will include Batman...*moans*...The Amazing Spider-Man felt very fulfilling or maybe I should say big? So much was going on in it, that's what I liked about it. Not just the main plots, but the subplots.
In Man of Steel, before Superman even debuts himself to the world, the main plot with Zod conquering Earth already begins like in the middle of the movie.
In TAS2,
you have Spider-Man taking down Rhino (or before he becomes Rhino) in the beginning, Max Dillon, graduating from high school, Oscorp stuff, the truth about Peter's parents, etc, Gwen Stacey, Harry Osborn and his father, and not the least, Spider-Man himself.
It was so entertaining. Then
the main plots come in, Electro and later on, Harry becoming the Goblin...then you have the ending where Spider-Man takes down Rhino.
Social life also played a factor.
This is, in a way of how I would approach a Superman movie. Lightness and slight comedy here and there, but for the most part, Man of Steel did not have this.
It lacked a bit of superness, the spirit of Superman, the superhero. It needed that.
I think it should be like The Amazing Spider-Man 2, only difference being that Superman is on his 30's and not a college student, but dealing with his social life as Clark Kent at the Daily Planet with Perry White, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, etc. Romance with Lois Lane. Then stopping by Smallville to visit his Mom every now and then. In the meantime, in Metropolis, fighting typical villains, some who are just simple criminals, and not the main villains, but also stopping bank robberies, whatever, but then the main focus should be what Lex Luthor is up to.
They should keep it that simple. Following The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as an example.
My point is, TAS2 was fun, and I'm hoping this next installment will go that direction as well, but ideally, the smart idea would be to make Man of Steel 2 next instead of a Batman vs. Superman film....
By the time they get to end of all these DC Universe films, and say they don't reach their goal, because all their previous films were too dark, hand-held, too serious, etc...they are going to realize what a big mistake they made.
I saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and I want....except I forget that this movie will include Batman...*moans*...The Amazing Spider-Man felt very fulfilling or maybe I should say big? So much was going on in it, that's what I liked about it. Not just the main plots, but the subplots.
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They should keep it that simple. Following The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as an example.
Yet, that was the weakest part of TASM2, the fact that they had so many subplots and no synergy between them. It felt like watching a movie with a collection of scenes rather than a movie with a solid narrative. That being said, I think that's a terrible example to use for BvS since TASM2 didn't exactly keep it simple (often times, it relied on contrivances and silly conveniences to get the point across).
I think a better comparison of a movie with multiple subplots is something like The Dark Knight, where it was dealing with Batman's effect on Gotham, Mob fighting back against Gotham, Joker's Uprising, Harvey Dent's arc. I personally think it went through these subplots nicely because they were all relevant to the main narrative.
Yet I agree with his main point as a whole - superman needs to be lighter. There's no sense in making his film dark and humorless, which I think held back MoS from being what it could have been.
Yet, that was the weakest part of TASM2, the fact that they had so many subplots and no synergy between them. It felt like watching a movie with a collection of scenes rather than a movie with a solid narrative. That being said, I think that's a terrible example to use for BvS since TASM2 didn't exactly keep it simple (often times, it relied on contrivances and silly conveniences to get the point across).
I think a better comparison of a movie with multiple subplots is something like The Dark Knight, where it was dealing with Batman's effect on Gotham, Mob fighting back against Gotham, Joker's Uprising, Harvey Dent's arc. I personally think it went through these subplots nicely because they were all relevant to the main narrative.
Yup. Agree with you on that bro ! Overall I enjoyed TASM 2, mostly for Garfield's vastly improved performance as PP/SM, and the chemistry between him and Emma Stone. Some of the dialogue was really lame and the subplots always seemed about to gel.....and then didn't really. You were kind of waiting for it to all add up...and then it didn't. Having said that, I still had a great time with TASM2, much more so than TASM ( the ol' going to turn everyone into giant lizards ploy didn't really work for me), but a little tighter scripting was needed.
As for TDK, that's a masterclass in how you get plotlines to converge seamlessly, okay it's not without its problems, but Nolan said going into the film, that it was about escalation....and it was. At the same time a serious deconstruction of the super-hero/vigilante distinction. Nice Nolan, very nice.
I agree. I'm not a fan of slow motion scenes either. It worked in matrix and it worked in wanted but sometimes it best to see our action scenes raw and at full intensity. Superman and the kryptonians felt like gods In MoS because he didn't slow the action down so we could follow along leisurely. It was fast, chaotic, and just flat insane. I was in awe.
Totally dude ! I mean Goyer/Nolan/Snyder's whole point was "If Superman was real, and had a fight in downtown, THIS is what it would look like." and they totally delivered.
As you say "full intensity" , I mean that was so evident in the scene where Faora takes out a platoon of soldiers in about 5 seconds. It has such a huge visual impact because it isn't slowed down.
Let's hope Snyder saves slow-mo for the Flash's appearance (to show things from his perspective) because he's the only superhero who really needs it. On that note, slo-mo was used reasonably well in the Amazing Spider-Man 2, so I'm not saying it can't work, but it wouldn't have fit in with the overall aesthetic of Man of Steel, so I'm really glad Snyder kept it fast and frantic.
^ Make it a slow-paced film, with neat action sequences now and then. Brighten the colors. Add Jimmy Olsen. Add more flashbacks of Pa Kent being a good father, and have more scenes with Ma Kent. Have more scenes of Superman being a general superhero and a public figure. Develop Lane a bit more.
Imply that Superman helped with the cleanup and rescue of those hurt by the world engine and final battle.
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