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The Amazing Spider-Man Things You Want To See In The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Now that Capt. Stacy is gone, I'd like to see the consequence of that resulting in a Gang War plot for the second movie, with Shocker and Hammerhead as the main villains and the Big Man (Tombstone) pulling the strings.

Completely different plot and villains from all the other movies and an interesting direction to take the franchise.

Kingpin + Shocker is the perfect combination for a Mafia/gang war type of plot,It would make an excellent plot

But since they want to kill gwen and GG does that,its pretty hard to introduce them
 
Okay, for what I would want in the sequel (besides a better constructed script) or rather what I’m imagining could happen in the sequel could be the following:

First, since this trilogy is supposed to have the disappearance of Peter’s parents be the driving mystery, the film can open with another flashback to them that sheds further light on why they had to leave Peter behind. Then the film can open with an action set piece showing Spidey fighting The Shocker and his gang committing an armed robbery. And of course, the question would arise as to where the Shocker got such technology (it’s from Oscorp obviously).

If the Amazing Spider-Man video game is canonical, then this film will take place during the fall in which Peter starts his Freshman year at Empire State University, along with Gwen. It’s there he meets Harry Osborn, who is Gwen’s long-time childhood friend, which makes Peter a bit jealous. Which also means that Norman Osborn gets be introduced as well, as Harry is at his beck and call, feeling as though he‘s treated more like a servant than his son. However, but he should still be kept hidden for the most part until towards the end of the first act; we just hear his voice and see his hands, but can tell he’s gravely ill under the care of Dr. Otto Octavious. And yet, when he decides to make a public appearance at an Oscorp benefit after years of seclusion, he appears perfectly fine and healthy. This will be an ongoing mystery in the film until a pivotal moment where pivotal Spidey decides to confront Osborn at his home. Oh, and it also gets established that Osborn is rather unhealthy obsession for Gwen, which is part of his desire to become young, strong, and healthy once more and, of course, be key later on.

However, Osborn isn’t the main villain, at least not directly. That would be Mysterio, who gets revealed as “The Man in Shadows” from the end credits. His debut can take place during the same Oscorp benefit, allowing for Spidey first fight him and his "Enforcers" in which, of course, he loses as Mysterio is able to get away. Then, afterwards, Mysterio’s gimmick will be to announce his crimes beforehand on television and internet broadcasts challenging Spider-Man to stop him. And his tech is so advanced it seems like real magic. This can allow for some action set-pieces such as Coney Island in homage to Amazing Spider-Man #67-68, a rotating room a la Amazing Spider-Man #24, hallucinations of Uncle Ben, his parents, and Captain Stacy, etc.

In terms of subplots, Peter can learn that, because of Uncle Ben’s death, Aunt May doesn’t have enough to finish paying the mortgage on the house, which forces Peter to look for a job. Thus leading into the Daily Bugle and J. Jonah Jameson. In this version, he and Captain Stacy were good friends, and, ironically, he initially saw Spidey as a hero until Stacy’s death. Now he blames Spidey for failing to save Stacy and is taking up his friend’s crusade by attempting to turn public opinion against him.

Another is the introduction of Mary Jane Watson (including her classic entrance) in which she’s just moved in next door to live with May’s friend, Anna. MJ appears to be a happy-go-lucky girl, but deep down she’s angry because of her parent’s divorce and has a rebellious, undisciplined streak, pretty much how Gwen Stacy was depicted in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. If Gwen reflects Peter’s intellectual, scientific side of his personality, MJ reflects anger at feeling abandoned and non-conformity. Basically, Peter helps to prevent her from going down the wrong path like he almost did in the first film. Which is key for the end of the film in that she returns the favor in a way that should be apparent.

Anyway, when Spidey next time faces Mysterio, the villain states he has a hostage who will die that Spidey must save. And it turns out the hostage is Uncle Ben’s killer, thus giving Peter a choice as to whether or not to take his revenge. Spidey, however, saves him, but Mysterio kills Uncle Ben’s killer and Spidey is captured and taken to Osborn.

Because of this, several things get revealed: Mysterio is not only Osborn’s right-hand man, but was part been an elaborate test of Spider-Man’s abilities for the purposes of determining whether or not his DNA will be a viable cure for Osborn’s illness; the same goes for the Shocker at the beginning of the film and, perhaps, other Spidey villains that are referenced. Second, that the “healthy” Osborn is revealed to be a Life-Model Decoy provided by Mysterio, and the real Osborn we see looks like someone undergoing chemo-therapy and forced to walk on canes. Third, that Osborn has been known Peter was Spidey since day one, as he has tapped into every security camera and cellphone in the city--including the “biocable” lab at Oscorp and the convenience store where Peter allowed to let the robber go. And finally, Osborn reveals the truth about Peter’s parents and why Peter is the only successful “cross-species.”

Spidey is then forced to “donate” his blood to create a serum for Osborn and the scene plays out very much like how Osborn became the Green Goblin in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, with things appearing to go well before something goes wrong and the lab explodes (and hints to the creation of Doc Ock in the process). This also leads to Osborn (very much like how the Goblin was in the Ultimate comics) kidnapping Gwen and leading into a scenario not unlike “The Night Gwen Stacy Died.” Thus by the end of the film, Gwen is dead, Spidey is blamed for the murder of Uncle Ben's killer, Gwen, AND Norman Osborn. We also get a scene reminiscient of what happens at the end of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" in which MJ decides to stay and comfort Peter in his grief.

Thats excellent understanding of the plot

But unfortunately too much to cram in a single movie
 
Actually I wont mind if they have someone like Kingpin or Shocker/Electro kill off Gwen Stacy
 
Nah, it has to be Gobby or fanboys will pee on people like R. Kelly.
 
same. One of the things about GG is that he can and has hurt Spidey in every way possible that no other villain has come close. Him killing Gwen is one of them.
 
Oh my God! Someone who's actually read the comics!

That is a pretty brilliant line of thinking. Unfortunately, it would appeal to purists and be an unforgettable story, so they'll never make anything like that. It is beautiful though.

Thank you sir.

You're welcome. Glad you liked it. :yay:

I would definitely go see this film :up:

I would have Green Goblin be the 616 version though

Thanks. And Ideally, I would prefer the 616 Green Goblin as well, but lets not forget that Sony wants their new trilogy of Spider-Man movies to be different from Raimi's, which also means a different take on Norman Osborn/Green Goblin as well. The Ultimate Comics version of the Green Gobliln is a bit too much like the Hulk, but it's certainly a template the sequel could use and tie it into the whole idea that the key is "cross-species" genetics and Peter's powers specifically.

That was fantasic, except I wouldnt try to cram the Goblin's death in it. Just leave that for Spidey to hunt him down in the third.

Idk, but very awesome plot outline!

Thanks. I actually did think about what you suggested while writing it, with the idea of everyone thinking Norman is dead when he's really still alive. But then I think it would allow for something to launch the third movie: Harry Osborn, grief-stricken over his father's death, decides to hire someone to take down Spider-Man. The person he hires? Kraven the Hunter. Cue homages from "Kraven's Last Hunt" in which Kraven tranquilizes Spidey, buries him alive, and the iconic image of Spidey digging himself out of his own grave.

Thats excellent understanding of the plot

Thanks. :yay:

But unfortunately too much to cram in a single movie
Yeah, I admit that is the drawback to it. If I were to take anything out of it, it probably be the Mary Jane subplot and use it for the third movie. It would also fit in with the idea of Aunt May deciding to set Peter up on a blind date with her believing that Peter needs to try and move on after Gwen's death, especially if it's established that a year has passed since the events of the second movie. But at the same, I think including MJ in the second film would be a good idea because 1) It allows for the classic love triangle between Peter, Gwen, and MJ to be introduced early on, thus giving some romantic tension for Peter, 2) it gives Gwen a rival and friend in the form of MJ, and 3) Since MJ character arc would be she starts off a "just a friend" and then becomes the new love of Peter's life, it kind of needs a gradual development.
 
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Stillanerd, your story idea made me very happy in the loins just thinking about it. Man that'd be so amazing!
 
I think it would be cool if Spidey is fighting a villian and the roof collaspes and he is pinned under heavy machiney and he can't get out and then you get images of the people close to him and he summons the strength to throw off the block of machiney.
 
Is it too much to ask to see Spidey fighting Electro atop the Empire State Building or the Freedom Tower during a thunderstorm? By the time the sequel is released it's bound to be finished and is the tallest building in NYC.
 
Daylight, when you have a villain like Electro?

I know what you're saying. I don't mean that all scenes should be daylight. Just a couple of swinging scenes and an action scene like a robbery or something.
 
You could have it that Spidey's crime fighting is losing Norman money (Oscorp is a front for his shady deals) so he has two suits made, one suit based of electricity (Electro) and the other suit based on vibrations (Shocker). The power goes to Electro's head and he tries to blackmail Norman.
 
Kingpin + Shocker is the perfect combination for a Mafia/gang war type of plot,It would make an excellent plot

But since they want to kill gwen and GG does that,its pretty hard to introduce them
I cited Tombstone because Kingpin belongs to Fox. And I found Tombstone way more interesting and omnipotent in Spectacular Spider-Man than I ever thought of Kingpin in the Animated Series or the comics.

And I don't think they ever mentioned they want to kill Gwen or to even use the Goblin. Personally, I hate that idea.
 
I cited Tombstone because Kingpin belongs to Fox. And I found Tombstone way more interesting and omnipotent in Spectacular Spider-Man than I ever thought of Kingpin in the Animated Series or the comics.

And I don't think they ever mentioned they want to kill Gwen or to even use the Goblin. Personally, I hate that idea.

Kingpin belongs to Sony, Sony loaned him to Fox.
 
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What does loanded means?
One of the reasons they didn't use Kingpin in the cartoon, they said, is because he is with Fox. From what I understand, Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than he is Spider-Man's. Daredevil belongs to Fox.
 
What does loanded means?
One of the reasons they didn't use Kingpin in the cartoon, they said, is because he is with Fox. From what I understand, Kingpin is more of a Daredevil villain than he is Spider-Man's. Daredevil belongs to Fox.

Loaned.
Cartoons are different from comics. Sony have the rights to show Kingpin on the big screen. Fox went to Sony for permission to use Kingpin and Sony said yes. If Sony wants to use Kingpin for their movies they can but they wont as I'm sure Norman will provide the shadowy villian that pulls all the strings.
 
Things I wanna see?

- Mary Jane introduced which would constitute....

-MJ/Gwen/Peter love triangle

-The Daily Bugle introduced.

-Michael Massee as Adrian Toomes (or Norman Osborn).

-Hugh Laurie as J. Jonah Jameson.

-Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn (or J. Jonah Jameson).

-Updated Spidey suit.
 
Actually I wont mind if they have someone like Kingpin or Shocker/Electro kill off Gwen Stacy

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Things I wanna see?

- Mary Jane introduced which would constitute....

-MJ/Gwen/Peter love triangle

-The Daily Bugle introduced.

-Michael Massee as Adrian Toomes (or Norman Osborn).

-Hugh Laurie as J. Jonah Jameson.

-Bryan Cranston as Norman Osborn (or J. Jonah Jameson).

-Updated Spidey suit.

Would love MJ to be introduced in the end credits after Aunt May tries to set Pete up for the entire movie.
 
Loaned.
Cartoons are different from comics. Sony have the rights to show Kingpin on the big screen. Fox went to Sony for permission to use Kingpin and Sony said yes. If Sony wants to use Kingpin for their movies they can but they wont as I'm sure Norman will provide the shadowy villian that pulls all the strings.
I'm not comparing cartoon to comics.
Where are you getting this information from?
Greg Weisman said they used Tombstone because Marvel considers Kingpin a Daredevil villain. With that in mind, when Fox purchased the film rights for the Daredevil and related characters, Kingpin comes along Bullseye, Elektra, etc.

Unless there's something I'm missing. But I never saw anyone debunking this in the last years.
 
I'm not comparing cartoon to comics.
Where are you getting this information from?
Greg Weisman said they used Tombstone because Marvel considers Kingpin a Daredevil villain. With that in mind, when Fox purchased the film rights for the Daredevil and related characters, Kingpin comes along Bullseye, Elektra, etc.

Unless there's something I'm missing. But I never saw anyone debunking this in the last years.

I'm Pretty sure Weisman is purely talking about the cartoons.
 
Would love MJ to be introduced in the end credits after Aunt May tries to set Pete up for the entire movie.
If they wanna be like the comics, have Aunt May nag him about it, but have her face constantly hidden from the viewers. It would be a good ending, but no love triangle plot.
 

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