The Amazing Spider-Man This Is Not Ultimate Spider-Man - This Is Spider-Man 4: 2.0

[Silvermoth]

I'm glad this is Spider-man 4 2.0 but I just need to know one thing...

There's no chance of a Vulturess is there? Sony came to their senses right?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Known Sony and our luck,we'll probably get to treat Connors' wife and son

The Lizardess and Lizard Lad.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

SM3 was a main reason for the reboot. Escalating salaries number one. Number two, they ran themselves into a dead end and could not settle on a story for SM4. Three, the fact that they are rebooting isn't a knock on the financial potential of the franchise. It's a vote of confidence, outside of "we need to keep the rights", that this can still be viable without the previous staples. 4-5 years is the sort of minimum you need before you can start over. They weren't going to reboot two years after SM3, even if they knew SM4 was in deep **** all along. They were either doing a sequel trilogy or a different take, and they didn't waste much time by the looks of things all things considered.

Spider-Man 4 was the MAIN reason for the reboot. They wouldn't have gone to the trouble of developing another one by hiring multiple writers, going through different scripts and going to the trouble of getting Raimi and Maguire back, who both would have had huge paydays.

If Sony wanted to start over from scratch after their experience with the third film, Spider-Man 4 would have never have gotten as far into pre-production as it did. The film was only a month away from the start of principle photography, before they pulled the plug.

That pretty much says it all...

 

[Doc Ock]

Known Sony and our luck,we'll probably get to treat Connors' wife and son

The Lizardess and Lizard Lad.

OH the Horror! The horrrrroooooorrrrrr!

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Spidey 4 getting that far into pre-production and then being canceled still seems shocking to me. I can't recall anything like that ever happening on such a major picture.

Despite all the news about the reboot and the casting of the new Peter I don't think it's sunk in with me yet. I'm part of the crowd that was hoping Raimi could redeem himself.

But it is what it is.......and now I'm just hoping for the best with the new movie.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Spidey 4 getting that far into pre-production and then being canceled still seems shocking to me. I can't recall anything like that ever happening on such a major picture.

Despite all the news about the reboot and the casting of the new Peter I don't think it's sunk in with me yet. I'm part of the crowd that was hoping Raimi could redeem himself.

But it is what it is.......and now I'm just hoping for the best with the new movie.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

You really think that? The only other way to really stop Batman from being humiliated further was to do a reboot, or another Burton and Keaton film....which wasn't so likely anymore...

Eh, the old Batman films followed such a loose continuity that a reboot wasn't necessary. It's not like the Spider-Man films, which are three parts of the same story.

 

[The Joker]

The old Batman franchise most definitely needed a reboot.

 

[zeptron]

^Exactly. Batman & Robin was absolutely abysmal. There was NO GOING BACK from that. The franchise's dignity had been permanently damaged, and the only way to escape Joel's Schumuckery was to reboot.

Now SM3 wasn't a good movie, but it was nothing a good solid sequel couldn't fix. Sony tossing more unwanted ideas to Raimi was most likely to prevent this.

 

[DACMAN]

I was just saying that Sam was a fan; his parents had an artist paint Spidey on his freakin' wall. I didn't say a picture on his wall instantly qualified him for the job.

Oh. Ok. Yeah he did say he was a fan. He certainly wasn't the perfect man for the job. He obviously didn't know the character very well either. Otherwise Spider-Man would have been funny.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Spider-Man 4 was the MAIN reason for the reboot. They wouldn't have gone to the trouble of developing another one by hiring multiple writers, going through different scripts and going to the trouble of getting Raimi and Maguire back, who both would have had huge paydays.

If Sony wanted to start over from scratch after their experience with the third film, Spider-Man 4 would have never have gotten as far into pre-production as it did. The film was only a month away from the start of principle photography, before they pulled the plug.

That pretty much says it all...

SM4's problems were a product of SM3. Leaving themselves short on villains. Leaving them short on supporting characters with Brock dying. Not exploring and setting up potential future relationships. Gwen was wasted.

 

[Jaxxon]

I'm glad this is Spider-man 4 2.0 but I just need to know one thing...

There's no chance of a Vulturess is there? Sony came to their senses right?

Did we ever actually get official confirmation that there WAS going to be a Vultress in SM4? I always thought that was just a crazy rumor.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

The idea sounds so idiotic........I hope it really was only a rumor.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

SM4's problems were a product of SM3. Leaving themselves short on villains. Leaving them short on supporting characters with Brock dying. Not exploring and setting up potential future relationships. Gwen was wasted.

No, they weren't.

Even if Spider-Man 3 was as good as the first two, they still would have ran into the same problems on the next film, which ultimately caused it's demise. Mainly, the huge creative differences that the studio and Raimi had, and the huge paydays Raimi and Maguire would have received.

Again, there wouldn't have been ANY movement at all on Spider-Man 4, if the third film was the cause of the reboot.

 

[zeptron]

In a way Fat Tonle is right. I've mentioned this before. Sony's problem was that Raimi wanted to use Vulture in SM4. If they had let him do SM3 the way he wanted this wouldn't have been an issue since Vulture would have been out of the way.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, they weren't.

Even if Spider-Man 3 was as good as the first two, they still would have ran into the same problems on the next film, which ultimately caused it's demise. Mainly, the huge creative differences that the studio and Raimi had, and the huge paydays Raimi and Maguire would have received.

Again, there wouldn't have been ANY movement at all on Spider-Man 4, if the third film was the cause of the reboot.

There is no question there were creative differences, differences more evident than ever in SM3 and it forced Sony's hand. The idea that Sony is content with the way Venom turned out is ridiculous. You think Sony was saying to themselves, "we made 800 million so Venom fans can suck it if they think we messed up..." They realized they unloaded what could have been a major cog in the franchise for years to come in a matter of minutes. Yeah, no **** if Raimi were allowed to make the film he wanted in SM3, with Sandman and Vulture, we probably would be getting an SM4 with Raimi that still ended with a hammy Venom among other potentially vomit inducing liberties like emo Parker cheating with chocolate cake girl, but you were going to get that Raimi cheese regardless, as we did in SM1-2.

Venom isn't the only issue though. Raimi was effectively running himself into a dead end by making it all about a girl. He could not allow Peter to explore other relationships when he was tied down to onegina. Sony had a problem with this, the reason why Felicia was shoehorned in SM4. They didn't want a marriage and live happily ever after movie because there is no suspense there. This was a problem from SM1 that never could have been avoided after that (unless they killed her off). After numerous love triangles and Harry's death, there was nowhere else to go after SM3. A breakup would have been anti-climactic and not what Raimi envisioned in SM4.

 

[DACMAN]

Did we ever actually get official confirmation that there WAS going to be a Vultress in SM4? I always thought that was just a crazy rumor.

I can't stand lazy people. Google is huge for a reason.


http://www.beyondhollywood.com/spidey-to-battle-the-vulture-and-the-vulturess-in-spider-man-4/

http://screenrant.com/spider-man-4-...h-vulture-anne-hathaway-vulturess-kofi-36929/

http://screenrant.com/spider-man-4-villains-vulture-vulturess-tobey-maguire-robf-38350/

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/mov...hathaway-as-the-vulturess-in-spider-man-4.php

http://polivision.blogspot.com/2009/12/vulturess.html

http://www.thinkhero.com/2009/12/08/the-lizard-out-vulture-and-vulturess-in-for-spider-man-4/

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/08...haway-as-spider-man-4s-vulture-and-vulturess/

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/12/08...haway-as-spider-man-4s-vulture-and-vulturess/

It was confirmed multiple times that we were getting "Vulturess." Raimi getting the boot was the best thing for this franchise.

 

[Doc Ock]

I

Raimi getting the boot was the best thing for this franchise.

Thats a matter of opinion. I personally don't think a reboot should of happened until well.....many years from now.

 

[El Payaso]

Any post that demands something of a character but cannot correctly spell that character's name is null and void.

Spider-Man.

That's beyond geek.

 

[chaseter]

No not really.

 

[DACMAN]

Yeah it is. Not to mention pretentious and obnoxious.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I can't believe that there are still fans of Spidey, that are not tired of Raimi-Spider we got all those years. With the unecessary made-up characters like the chocolate girl and Cambell. And i don't care how funny Bruce Cambell is or what great history he has in cinema. Plus the horrid cheese that was escalating each movie and the total misinterpretation of the villains. Even Spiderman 2, how can people consider it epic when spidey gets unmasked a number of times and butcher the character of Doc Ock. And i hated that short action scene when Peter was going in the theater and stumbles upon 2 crooks in a car. I am all for a new direction that uses the characters from the comics like human beings and not as caricatures of themselves.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm also surprised at the number of people who nitpick over details when the whole picture is still pretty damn good.

And cheese is good, people. If you don't have any cheese in a comic book superhero, you get something that's entirely ridiculous in it's seriousness. (Ala The Dark Knight.)

 

[The Joker]

And cheese is good, people. If you don't have any cheese in a comic book superhero, you get something that's entirely ridiculous in it's seriousness. (Ala The Dark Knight.)

Nonsense. There's no cheese in Mask of the Phantasm, for example, and it's considered the cream of the Batman flicks (after TDK).

 

[SuperFerret]

Nope. The animated series, and MotP by extension, knew full well what it was, and that's a cartoon (movie) about a guy who dresses as a bat to fight crime, and did not try to pretend that it wasn't. This may not be "cheese", but it's the same type of tongue-in-cheek self-awareness that many people consider "cheesy".