This season is getting old fast.

[PLAS]

But is it such a bad thing to want those definitions? Those barriers? While morally grey may make for interesting stories, sometimes it's good to know where people stand. To see truly altruistic people (like Peter and Hiro have been for the most part) and nefarious power-mongerers that are clearly out for their own ends whatever the cost. One of my gripes about this show is that it's trying to force morally grey in our faces with the vast majority of the characters. There really are good people in this world and there are bad people in this world and should we have to suffer everyone playing both sides of the thick black line, all the time? Perspective is a huge part of this show, and I get that, but I think it's a perfectly valid complaint to see that everyone at the moment seems to be dipping liberally into the grey area side of the pool. I just keep waiting for the adult swim to come and clear a bunch of those people out and force the sides they choose. If anything, THAT'S what I'm waiting to see this season. Not who muddles the waters enough, but who comes out black or white when it comes down to it. If it doesn't happen, then oh well. It's a TV show. Life goes on.

that's what these episodes are about

 

[Ryudoz]

that's what these episodes are about

I understand that. I guess it might have come off too strongly worded in that it might have sounded too much like a complaint. I don't mind watching the set-up and the journey these people take (cause it's a long season), but I think the pacing seems a little slow, or at the very least slow enough to not feel like it's really going anywhere for me. Like it's just treading water. Sometimes it doesn't even really feel like there is some grand endgame being devised, more like a random collection of super-powered people to feed Arthur in an overblown marital spat. Is that really going to cause the world to split in two? Figuratively maybe, literally is rather doubtful.

Granted at this point we can't see the forest through the trees in this season, but I just wish they'd get on with it a bit more.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Wasn't the "hunger" kinda hinted at numerous times?

Didn't Sylar say somethign about wanting to see how Peter's power worked when he had their brief fight in Suresh's apartment? I thought there were a few instances of his saying he wanted ot see how someones power worked.

 

[ragdus]

actually, it does make you seem childish

No, it doesn't. It's just the people who are still content with this product that think as you do.

It's no coincidence that the pattern here is to marginalize those who don't like the direction the show is going and then tell them to "just wait, it'll get better!"

IF and when it gets better, I'll be back here saying so. But I'm not complaining about later. I'm complaining about right now. And right now this show is dangerously close to getting itself cancelled at season's end.

If you don't believe me, check the ratings.

 

[ragdus]

We've had two seasons of Sylar as bad guy, and now that he's apparently gone good in this season, they give Peter his powers and now Peter has gone bad (up to THIS point) So that means that it's still the Sylar character that's a malevolent force in this show. 3 of the first 3 season of a Sylar type character being a main antagonist are ENOUGH already.

Ali Larter is still doing the same thing she did season 1. Note: New powers, same dilemmas = same character.

The "villains"? Well so far the villains have tried to recruit Parkman, the biggest boyscout on the show. That's a solid move. It also should not take this many episodes to establish that these people are being recruited while not explaining what they're being recruited to do. Those should be dual story lines. The fact that they're not shows the writers are having severe pacing issues and are trying to draw out every plot point to force tension. They're failing. This season is not tense.

The big "problem" facing our heroes is that someone is trying to give everyone superhuman powers? Guess what... the average person who hasn't yet given up on this show WISHES THEY HAD SUPER POWERS. That's the appeal of the show. You're now telling you're primary audience they are the thing their protagonists are fighting against.

Instead of telling me, the guy who'd actually enjoy super powers, that it's bad if I had them and draw out this boring process of watching your cast choose sides in this conflict of non-ideas, SHOW me why it's a bad thing if I and everyone else had them and then I can choose which side I want to be on.

So far the biggest evidence we have that everyone being powerful is bad is that Sylar is going to blow up Costa Verde. But since Sylar ALREADY has super powers, and the crew that makes him explode do as well, then what exactly is the point!?

I'm not saying there isn't a point, but I am saying let's get on with that point, already!

I, as a viewer (especially a viewer during a hotly contested election season) feel like I want to see both sides of the argument and then I'll pick my team. But I'm not being given an option, so I'm not being engaged in a war of ideals.

Magneto would be just as poor quality a villains as this crew we're seeing if he didn't have a position we couldn't at least in part relate to and sympathize with.

 

[SuperT]

IF and when it gets better, I'll be back here saying so. But I'm not complaining about later. I'm complaining about right now. And right now this show is dangerously close to getting itself cancelled at season's end.

Look, the shows has it criticism, but I love when people make this statement. "It'll be cancelled by the end of this season." Not even close to being true, it's been consistently listed as being in the top fifteen or so shows that are most definitely going to be renewed for a 2009-2010 season.

 

[ragdus]

Look, the shows has it criticism, but I love when people make this statement. "It'll be cancelled by the end of this season." Not even close to being true, it's been consistently listed as being in the top fifteen or so shows that are most definitely going to be renewed for a 2009-2010 season.

What exactly does that mean?

We both know there is no "most definitely" when it comes to TV shows getting renewed.

BSG and Arrested Development had way more rabid fans than this show. But if the RATINGS aren't there, the shows are going to go under; Particularly in the case of high budget shows like BSG and Heroes.

Heroes' ratings are the worst they've ever been, and now from NBC's perspective, they're negatively impacting the launch of their most highly touted new show of the season: My Own Worst Enemy.

So, let's say you're Zucker sitting in your office at NBC. You see that you're biggest new launch is a dud, and a large part of that reason is that it's lead-in is suffering through it's worst ratings ever. What are YOU going to think?

Probably not about re-upping that show.

 

[SuperT]

Heroes' ratings are the worst they've ever been, and now from NBC's perspective, they're negatively impacting the launch of their most highly touted new show of the season: My Own Worst Enemy.

This sentence right here proves that you have absolutely no clue how the television works.

 

[Sawyer]

The reason that this season may not be as good to some as it is to others is because its pretty clear that the writers are rushing things. And you know why that is?

It's because these a-holes that call themselves "fans" pissed and moaned to no end last year that the story wasnt moving fast enough. What?! It's called story development, dammit. Let the writers do what they do and develop a story!

And then, of course, there was the writers strike that screwed the whole season, but lets not get into that.

So now we get to season three. As great as it was marketed, those so-called "fans" wouldnt give the show a chance and now it's on a downward spiral ratings-wise. The quality is still there, too. It just took a few episodes to get it all back. We're heading towards some awesome stories, but now, aside from those that are truly devoted, no one else is giving the show a chance.

 

[Neptune]

It's still a good show in my opinion but they have made some major mistakes. My main gripe is that they're getting rid of the wrong characters.

 

[ragdus]

This sentence right here proves that you have absolutely no clue how the television works.

Then by all means, educate me.

If you truly believe that leads-ins have nothing to do with ratings from show A to new show B, then I have to hear the foundation for this argument.

 

[Booznian]

This season is fresh comparing to Season 2. Stop complaining!

 

[Nitehawk013]

I agree with LSM. The problem is that the "fans" are a bunch of ADD ravaged comic book hoarding grown ups who won't shut up and let things develop slowly over an entire season or half season. They are like spoiled bratt children screaming and crying because they want things right now. Wahhhhh wahhhhhhh.

 

[GL1]

I call bull. The writers are adults, this is their full time job, how they put food on the table. They should be able to figure out how to give the fans what they REALLY want (not just what they ask for) and do it in a way that is entertaining. They have not done this. They have failed as writers. There is no magic chord that makes fans control writers. You cannot blame fans who are amateur critics for not pointing out the real weaknesses in the show. At the very least, the writers should have been able to, and they haven't.

It's still a good show in my opinion but they have made some major mistakes. My main gripe is that they're getting rid of the wrong characters.

It does manage to still be entertaining, despite gaping logic and plot holes, huh?

They are getting rid of the wrong characters, that much is very true.

I'd take Adam over Sylar
I'd take Isaac over Matt
I'd take Simone over Ando
I'd take Nikki over Tracy
I'd take Kaitlin over Nathan. I said it.

You get the idea.

Doesn't this fit in the gripes thread?

 

[Steyin]

We've had two seasons of Sylar as bad guy, and now that he's apparently gone good in this season, they give Peter his powers and now Peter has gone bad (up to THIS point) So that means that it's still the Sylar character that's a malevolent force in this show. 3 of the first 3 season of a Sylar type character being a main antagonist are ENOUGH already.

He hasn't gone good, he's bordering and being cautious of whom to trust and what to make of things. Peter has been dumb in his actions, but he isn't a bad guy. Is Sylar a big deal right now? Maybe, but I don't think so. I think Syalr is being set up as a main plot point for the next chapter. I forsee him being a Petrelli merely being a ruse to get his aid in taking down Arthur, only to end up being betrayed in the end by both sides, which will devastate him and there will be no coming back from being "evil" at that point, tying in with this new apprentice thing to show someone like him not to trust anyone but themselves. I also think it would be cool if this kid turns on Sylar and kills him, but all this is me guessing.

Ali Larter is still doing the same thing she did season 1. Note: New powers, same dilemmas = same character.

I won't agree fully, but I don't have an interest in her character. Only if Barabara comes in and kills her or something happens will I be intrigued.

The "villains"? Well so far the villains have tried to recruit Parkman, the biggest boyscout on the show. That's a solid move. It also should not take this many episodes to establish that these people are being recruited while not explaining what they're being recruited to do. Those should be dual story lines. The fact that they're not shows the writers are having severe pacing issues and are trying to draw out every plot point to force tension. They're failing. This season is not tense..

I couldn't disagree more here. The pacing is fine and reminds me of how S1 made me feel from week to week at the end of an episode. I don't want the stroy to move along so quickly. There needs to be time for development. I will say that we only got to where we are now sooner rather than later because the main characters were established, and the newer ones aren't as meaningful, aside from perhaps Knox and Flint (who I can't stand and would have rather died than the German). Arthur needing more backstory is a given, and I'm sure everything will be woven in as we move along.

The big "problem" facing our heroes is that someone is trying to give everyone superhuman powers? Guess what... the average person who hasn't yet given up on this show WISHES THEY HAD SUPER POWERS. That's the appeal of the show. You're now telling you're primary audience they are the thing their protagonists are fighting against.

The point is that not everyone is responisble enough to have powers. Plus if a war were to break out, would you really want people with Ted's powers fighting one another, constantly nuking/blowing up everything? Everyone having powers would be a huge mess, which is why it needs to not happen. Do I want powers? Sure, but I understand the costs and what comes with the responsibility; not everyone does. We'll see more of why things go awry in the future because of this I'm sure, and if we don't than that is a fault on the writers.

I don't think this is the whole of the big problem though, and there is probably more to everything than we know right now, as there always is.

So far the biggest evidence we have that everyone being powerful is bad is that Sylar is going to blow up Costa Verde. But since Sylar ALREADY has super powers, and the crew that makes him explode do as well, then what exactly is the point!?

I don't believe that was meant to illustrate that point, but is more so an example of the consequences that Pinehearst existing will have. The main example was that Nathan would be organizing an army of superpowered people to fight against another army. This is the worst potential threat as it could get very messy and destroy the planet. Then again, perhaps Pinehearst, or Arthur really, expects this and wants the world to tear itself apart only to pick up the pieces (like how Adam wanted to start over by releasing the virus).

All in all it really is too early to know the bulk of what is in store and what the ultimate situation is. We need to know more about Pinehearst, more about the 12 and the Company, why one is better over the other, etc. The next few episodes will move into this, and should answer more questions, I hope.

 

[jewmaican20]

This little list alone makes my colon hurt.

They have doctors for that, man.

But seriously: do you think that a prime time show on a major network is going to cater only to one demographic? I think you're forgetting that for a good many people watching Heroes, all these cliches you've pointed out are not cliches yet for them.

They are not old hands at this stuff, and have considerably less experience with this genre.

Also, look at it this way: at least we don't have the redundancy of Peter's story like we had in season 2.
I like the way they've given Nathan a new perspective on life, where he's trying to understand finally what his role in life is.
As for Parkman, we've yet to see where this arc is going for him, but I like his fresh faced optimism, despite the struggles he's endured. I'm glad they brought his father back; there are manny unresolved issues still.
Mohinder is turning into a real ambiguous character; he reminds me of a college grad going off into the world - idealism slowly giving way to reality, and the understanding that nothing is black and white...

 

[Nivek]

All I gotta say is, you don't like how everything is going on Heroes, stop watching, and stop biatching on boards about it, because the people who are still enjoying it don't care or respect your opinion. That is what i did with Smallville, and I've never looked back.

 

[pjspider1C]

Anyone else think that Season 3 is the best season yet?

Season 1 was good, but it was origin stories for everyone. Season 2 was weird & cut short thanks to the writers strike. Season 3 - all the main characters are fully aware of their powers, and now we can focus on good story telling.

I love what this season has done so far. It's taken the world of "Heroes", and turned everything upside down. And we're only what - a quarter or a third of the way into the season? Everything right now may seem very super-hero cliche... but I still thoroughly enjoy. Because we've never seen these cliches with these characters & all of them are intertwined somehow - which is a very hard thing for writers to pull off with such a large cast, and in my opinion, they're doing an excellent job.

Also, I don't think we've seen the last of Adam. Remember Angela Petrelli's vision of the future? There were four villians, Parkman's dad, the black fear guy, Adam, and Tracy/Nikki/Jessica (whoever). And then of course Sylar came up behind Angela. THOSE are the villians the season is building to. Not the line-up that Peter's father came up with in the latest episode.

And personally, I think it makes sense that Peter, and Sylar, and Nathan are all brothers. Peter and Sylar pretty much have the same ability - absorbing others powers - they just get their powers from others in different ways. And it makes sense that their Dad has the same ability - but again, he gets powers in a different way - he just needs to touch the person. Plus, to me it always seemed weird that there was such a big age gap between Nathan & Peter. Nathan is in his late thirties... Peter is in his mid-twenties... doesn't strike me as odd that Sylar was the kid in the middle.

 

[GL1]

All I gotta say is, you don't like how everything is going on Heroes, stop watching, and stop biatching on boards about it, because the people who are still enjoying it don't care or respect your opinion. That is what i did with Smallville, and I've never looked back.

Who cares what you think about my opinion? If my opinion doesn't matter to you, why should your opinion (about my opinion) matter to me? You're clueless: I enjoy the show, and I also enjoy pointing out its flaws. If you can't handle people saying bad things about stuff you like, you need to go to either a kids forum or a purely devoted forum, (9thWonders is good).

 

[Neptune]

Also, I don't think we've seen the last of Adam. Remember Angela Petrelli's vision of the future? There were four villians, Parkman's dad, the black fear guy, Adam, and Tracy/Nikki/Jessica (whoever). And then of course Sylar came up behind Angela. THOSE are the villians the season is building to. Not the line-up that Peter's father came up with in the latest episode.

I really hope you're right. Otherwise it's a gaping plothole. Peter also has to get his powers back from Arthur, so maybe he'll undo the whole thing somehow.

 

[SuperT]

Angela's dreams are probably like Isaac's paintings he drew. They are very vague or taken out of context, or they just don't happen sometimes.

 

[Nivek]

Who cares what you think about my opinion? If my opinion doesn't matter to you, why should your opinion (about my opinion) matter to me? You're clueless: I enjoy the show, and I also enjoy pointing out its flaws. If you can't handle people saying bad things about stuff you like, you need to go to either a kids forum or a purely devoted forum, (9thWonders is good).

See, this is what I'm talking about. Your trying to provoke some defense response, but in saying you enjoy watching something in order to point out flaws, your not enjoying it, are you? I dont enjoy watching Smallville for example because of it's numerous faults, butchering of characters and continuity, and disrespect of it's source material. So I dont watch it, I dont talk about my perceived faults on a fan board, and I put my attention elsewhere.

I also dont cut myself, or beat myself, or otherwise preoccupy doing anything I do not like. I'm hip like that.

 

[pjspider1C]

Angela's dreams are probably like Isaac's paintings he drew. They are very vague or taken out of context, or they just don't happen sometimes.

Which one of Isaac's paintings hasn't happened?

 

[SuperT]

New York blowing up.......

 

[pjspider1C]

^ But in one version of the future, that did happen.

That's the thing about Heroes, the future is constantly changing, so we can't fully expect everything we see in the "future" to actually happen.

So, I'm hoping that Angela's visions of the future are different than Isaac's. And by that I mean, I hope Angela's visions are the ones that actually happen... whereas Isaac's paintings are based on current circumstances.