Endgame Thor/God of Thunder - Chris Hemsworth

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I don’t think people would’ve hated Thor’s arc as much if

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it hadn’t been played mostly for laughs. There are moments where you feel the weight of his depression (no pun intended), but they’re vastly overshadowed by jokes.

For me it was more about

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that I think he should have redeemed himself better in the end. When he got the chance to rectify everything that caused his depression he should generally have been as awesome as when he summoned both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. He didn't need to be as significant as Cap and IM who were on their way out, but in the tier below them as he's so connected to the Infinity Saga and is an original Avenger.

If he had done that I think it being played for laughs would be fine as he wouldn't turn out to be a laugh in the end. Without the redemption that thing is pretty much the lingering impression though.

 

[shinlyle]

I mean, it didn't offend me, I put it in quotes because yeah the PC culture can get a bit much

but being 2019, it's considered rather uncouth to not be "woke" or whatever, so it's surprising they went that direction... like guard said, making A joke about it is one thing, but to have people calling him chubbs and telling him to eat a salad all movie is kind of making a joke out of somebody who is dealing with some s***, which is a criticism people have made about several Marvel films, that they can be a bit light and breezy about things that should be sort of serious

I think if I could so the rest of my life without hearing someone using words like"woke" or "shipping", I think that would be great. PC culture is just...exhausting. I agree to being culturally sensitive, though. Hating on anyone for how they choose to be/are and can't help it should never be allowed (so long as the people aren't hurting someone, who cares?).

I will concur with that though. There could have been a bit more of an effort by someone other than his mother to be sympathetic towards him...but with characters like Rocket and Stark, I wouldn't expect it. I mean, those guys rib people all the time. Notice that Cap never said a thing. Just sayin'. He saw his friend went through some stuff, and he just chose to keep on mission without addressing that elephant* in the room. Probably knew the best medicine for Thor was to get up and get to work, and that's how he handled it.

*Not a fat joke, and it was in no way meant to be offensive to any of the noble pachyderms on our fair planet.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, Cap was good about it

Idk, it didn't ruin the movie or anything, it just went over the top to a point of being a bit cartoonish, and when Cap and Iron Man and Hawkeye and even Ant-Man all get to be fairly serious, but also funny, but also dark, but also...etc... it made Thor feel a bit out of place in the film

Now if this was Ragnarok 2 by Taika Waititi, it wouldn't have felt strange at all

 

[Boy Scout]

Because if you don't include them it's basically a cartoon with only happy people doing happy things. Things like what Thor is going through makes him more relatable, human and through that likable

Yeah, but if you don’t go far enough and actually communicate the seriousness of the situation (which is 100% possible even in family friendly movies), then it comes across as meaningless. If you aren’t prepared to properly address the situations and ramifications that you place characters in, don’t put them in those positions in the first place.

Don’t get me wrong: it could’ve been a lot worse, and there were moments where they took him and his emotions seriously. But they were few and far in between, and I don’t think that they couldn’t have gone farther with it just because it was a CBM.

 

[Nathaniell]

I wonder if Sif will be involve in the future if the character is given more to do. She can help thor get back into the swing of things like old times

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I wonder if Sif will be involve in the future if the character is given more to do. She can help thor get back into the swing of things like old times

With Jaime Alexander's show on the bubble of being canceled, it may be time finally include her again.

 

[BigThor]

I would've rather had fat Thor in IW than EG, I mean everyone else is gonna be remembered as badasses and Thor will be remembered for being a fat slob in what is undoubtedly the biggest superhero movie of all time.

Hemsworth's final MCU appearance as Thor will be epic no doubt, but will it be in a movie as big in popular culture as Endgame? For instance, Thor got a much better showing against Hulk in Ragnarok than in The Avengers, but how many more people saw The Avengers (1.5 B) than Ragnarok (850 M)?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

As a fat slob myself, I had no problems with the fat jokes directed at Thor's expense or it being played for laughs. They had to do something different with Thor because they already did the "he wants revenge on Thanos" arc in Infinity War and took it to its ultimate conclusion in the first ten minutes of Endgame.

 

[Moridin]

As a fat slob myself, I had no problems with the fat jokes directed at Thor's expense or it being played for laughs. They had to do something different with Thor because they already did the "he wants revenge on Thanos" arc in Infinity War and took it to its ultimate conclusion in the first ten minutes of Endgame.

I wouldn't consider having to do something different to be a good defense of what they ended up doing.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I wouldn't consider having to do something different to be a good defense of what they ended up doing.

I don't see anything wrong with what they did.

 

[Joefixit]

I wanted to say that the Russo’s don’t do well with overpowered characters, but honestly that’s not true. They did great with Captain Marvel and Thor in the first film. Thanos is also a powerhouse.. it’s just for some unknown reason they don’t know what to do with Hulk or Thor. To their credit they are great film makers, but I’m happy they are done. I hope those writers Mcfeely and Markus stay far away from Hulk and Thor as well.. They just did not capture the essence of who these characters where and what they could do. At least they almost got it right with Thor, where as Hulk they just missed the mark. Watching those Wheedon films makes me long for days gone by. At least he gave every character a share of the spotlight during the big fight. Make no mistake about it, this endgame fight was epic, but it was missing its original two power houses. For that I wish they would have just stuck with the OG 5 for the length of the fight and brought the others at the end. There were just simply to many heroes to focus on and these two got the short end of the stick so to speak. Again I think Hulk is done given all the talk about the she hulk series and giving the reigns to her. Thor on the other hand will probably get his redemption.

 

[Iceman]

I would've rather had fat Thor in IW than EG, I mean everyone else is gonna be remembered as badasses and Thor will be remembered for being a fat slob in what is undoubtedly the biggest superhero movie of all time.

Hemsworth's final MCU appearance as Thor will be epic no doubt, but will it be in a movie as big in popular culture as Endgame? For instance, Thor got a much better showing against Hulk in Ragnarok than in The Avengers, but how many more people saw The Avengers (1.5 B) than Ragnarok (850 M)?

Thor needs to hang around for more Avengers films then and show more of his Ragnarok/IW levels there. I hope he is back for future films alongside the new guys.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

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I have to say I think Endgame was probably the best MCU film yet. It packed the most emotional punch out of all the films for me. The way the Russos tied everything together was just brilliant. And if I was a Cap fan or an Iron Man fan I'd probably be ecstatic. But as a die hard Thor fan I'm pretty torn.

On one hand I think this is some of the best character of development of Thor we've ever scene. (Frankly Hemsworth is amazing and has demonstrated such range - he doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he has done with this difficult character.)

But on the other hand it was the most disappointing display of his power out of all of the films in which he's ever appeared. I guess it makes sense - given where his character is at. I get it. I do. But if this was Thor's swan song I would probably be so angry that I would be done with these Marvel movies for good. Especially after what we saw him do in Infinity War I can't even describe the hype I was feeling before Endgame. I left the theater simultaneously blown away and yet saddled with this nagging frustration and disappointment at Thor's utter lack of feats.

I mean at least The Dark World had his battle through the portals with Malekith (still a favorite for me). But in Endgame he was just a prop for Captain America's big shining moment. The only thing that sold it for me was Thor's genuine delight at seeing his friend finally prove himself worthy enough to wield his weapon.

Thor is not petty so I won't be either. Also I look at it as a metaphor for depression. Depression is not something you just snap out of. Sometimes you need a friend to have your back when you are weak and to remind you of who you are.

And Cap was ultimately channeling Thor's power so if Thor is not there to juice Cap up then there is no standoff with Thanos and he gets the gauntlet and game over. I just would have preferred to see Thor use his own power more.

But Thor's moment with Frigga was probably one of my favorites in the entire MCU. Amazing scene that really got to me.

So that being said, my favorite thing about Endgame is that:

Thor is coming back in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3.

Along with the news of Gunn's return to the franchise, my anticipation for that movie just went through the roof. In fact it all makes total sense now. At the end of GOTG 2 I was sitting there wondering how in the world are they going to deal with someone like Adam Warlock. But now ... finally a foe worthy of Thor!

Combined with the news that a Waititi directed Thor 4 is in the works, the future for Thor looks bright! His viking look was totally badass and I can't say how glad I was that his long hair is back. Infinity War features my favorite movie version of Thor so far - but I've never been a fan of his N'Sync hairstyle.

I'm actually glad Thor didn't magically get ripped again in Endgame because it doesn't work like that. It shows Thor just wasn't blessed but he had to work for that physique. However, the next film he better be back to his godlike Quill-jealousy inducing form. I want to see a joint workout session where Quill is on a bow flex while Thor is bench pressing asteroids.

I probably won't get what I want. But hey - here's hoping...

 

[technobot]

I think much of this is potentially spoiler-ish, so I'll just:

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I liked what they did with Thor, but I was never a Thor fan growing up... I have the MCU to thank me for it. I felt they really "solved" him in Ragnarok; there were hints of this in Avengers 2012, Thor and Thor: Dark World and I'm glad they went all in.

Before I continue, I will admit if they did to Superman what they did to Thor, I would be outraged. But they're different characters... power levels aside, Captain America is obviously Superman. The dour, comic-book, Shakespearan Thor never worked, especially in the MCU (IMO). Ragnarok and Infinity War really "cracked the code" for me.

I can understand why fans/die-hards might be upset with the characterization in Endgame, and I will admit in spots they just laid it on so thick but here's my take as wrong as it may be: Thor had an epic hero's journey in IW but he has the weight of the decimation weighing upon him. The Russos and Markus/McFeely hinted strongly about this.

Thor gets revenge and the Avengers "Avenge" the fallen but at what cost? I like this message, or what I thought was the message, that revenge doesn't fix anything. It's the sugary, empty calorie candy of satisfaction. Thor realizes this and completely loses it. I think this makes sense because despite being put through the ringer starting in Ragnarok -> IW, the poor guy goes through all that and for an encore feels the guilt of letting Thanos wipe out half the universe.

I'm guessing, but once we have the full story from Ragnarok -> IW -> Endgame - GOTG 3 -> Thor 4, I'm sure he will get his mojo back and am looking forward to seeing his journey continue.

 

[Nathaniell]

With Jaime Alexander's show on the bubble of being canceled, it may be time finally include her again.

Oh good then lol. Erm...sucks for the show. Man I'd love to see her back.

 

[The Chris]

fat shaming? lol come on...I'm a big guy myself and I got none of that from this. I found it funny.

People need to get some thicker skin...(get it )

Another big guy here who found it really funny, yet at the same time i found the dramatic parts of it really emotionally impactful. In a laughing to keep oneself from crying way.

 

[Moridin]

I don't see anything wrong with what they did.

I think I covered most of my thoughts about it up in the User Review Thread. Suffice it to say, I'm not a happy chappy with how Thor was done in this.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

This too...shall pass

 

[Bo Dallas]

I had no issues with it. I wasn’t offended by it. I thought Hemsworth did a great job.

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Logically, Thor would’ve taken the events of IW the hardest.

Someone else mentioned it but one of my favorite moments was how genuinely happy Thor was that Cap lifted Mjolnir. I kinda saw it as a call back to how happy Cap was when Thor showed up in Wakanda.

Those two are friends and I love it.

 

[legendkillin]

I had no issues with it. I wasn’t offended by it. I thought Hemsworth did a great job.

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Logically, Thor would’ve taken the events of IW the hardest.

Someone else mentioned it but one of my favorite moments was how genuinely happy Thor was that Cap lifted Mjolnir. I kinda saw it as a call back to how happy Cap was when Thor showed up in Wakanda.

Those two are friends and I love it.

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I think being worthy was a burden on Thor. It was something he considered a part of his identity. That made him feel like he had to save the world. Seeing Cap lift mjolnir meant someone else had those same qualities he was not alone and can rely on someone to get the job done.

 

[Bren]

I don't see it that way.

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Imo he was just happy Cap was worthy.
I loved how it clearly shows no matter how attached he was to the Hammer, he's not a jealous or petty guy.

 

[harlequinade]

 

[bubbadoom]

I know some were disappointed by the lack of any after credit scenes which makes me wonder why at least the Thor/Guardians bit was not save for the very end.

 

[Schlosser85]

I thought they made Thor a little too much of a comic relief buffoon, especially after how much of an MVP he was in Infinity War.

Yes I understand depression (on a personal level) and all he’s lost, etc, I just don’t really care for the way they went about it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I thought they made Thor a little too much of a comic relief buffoon, especially after how much of an MVP he was in Infinity War.

Yes I understand depression (on a personal level) and all he’s lost, etc, I just don’t really care for the way they went about it.

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I didn't mind the overall idea of what they were going for. I even the weight thing was fine. And Hemsworth getting that in the script, yeah, of course he's gonna relish playing up the comedic aspects... But it was CONSTANT. I don't think it sullied the character or whatever over the top hyperbolic nonsense some fans are projecting onto it but I feel this was a symptom of stuff in RAGNAROK that I thought was solved in IW.

I will say this until I'm blue in the face... Thor did not need to be "fixed". Dark World was underwhelming, ironically because of aspects they tripled down on in RAGNAROK but there it worked because Taika is a comedic genius... But once more... Is comedy what I want from the Might Thor? Even accepting that this concept is inherently funny, because it's so pushed the drama of this broken god doesn't register and that stuff is actually really good in the movie. Cut back like 50% of the jokes and it would come off WAY better all around.

All that said... I get why they did this. Scott Lang and Thor had to shoulder the "Marvel Humor" facet of the movie the most. Yeah, Cap had a funny line and Tony was as sharp as ever but those were momentary flourishes because they wanted you to actually feel strong emotions in regards to their arcs and their place in the story. And this was supposed to be a heavy story so it sure needed light moments sprinkled throughout. With Scott and Thor though those weren't sprinkles. Those were gallons of chocolate syrup. But because Marvel Humor is so baked in now, because for years anybody pointing to the hollow calculation of that part of the Marvel films got shouted down online, the creators feel that they have to put that in regardless of any other considerations. And fellow fanboys and fangirls... NO. It doesn't always work and I think is a big part of why if we are honest with ourselves so many Marvel films are so very forgettable. They coast on "fun" and "humor" too much and the super hero drama stuff is handled in a perfunctory way too often.

This was the biggest issue I had with Ragnarok. Is it a fun and entertaining film? Yeah. Does it ultimately amount to a compelling story with great impact on how you view the character? Not really. Why? Because every single dramatic beat is overshadowed by a ****ing joke. Thor learns he has a long lost sister who was exiled by Odin and oh, by the way, everything his father ever told him about Asgard and the throne was total bull****. Is there really any reckoning with this for the character?He learns his life was a lie. Is that what the film is about or gives any focus? Is that what the themes are shown to clearly be, and let's be clear that's what the film should be about for Thor? Nope. It's cool he get's a seeming "power boost" but that's not characterization really. "The power was in you all the time" is kinda boiler plate. There's no real depth to this revelation or any the film lays out.

But the fans rewarded them for all that. Is it a wonder they went Thorbowski in this movie? I mean, like I said, a lot of the jokes, as in most Marvel films, they land. It's good stuff humor wise. But when he meets his mother did it STILL have to be played for jokes every five ****ing seconds?

I really do think that if a fan had no issues with the transformation of Thor from Noble God Prince to Noble Meathead in Ragnarok that they shouldn't be to outraged by Thorbowski, or at least how they decided you as the audience or fan would just accept it whole hog.

I will say that Thor still worked in this film and there's good stuff if you can look past the coating of comedy they slathered on here. He still kicks ass and moments like him pleading to undo the snap are effective drama wise... But it's no wonder a lot of fans can't see that given the over reliance on humor, which as any writer will tell you, is often the death of dignity.