Endgame Thor/God of Thunder - Chris Hemsworth

[Dark Raven]

Oh maybe it’s different for different chains. I saw it at the same Vue every time.

It's probably the cinema chains that decide what goes in front and what they want to advertise.

I saw Spider-Man FFH trailer, but it was the first international trailer (not sure if there's another since)?

 

[MadVillainy]

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Yeah, somehow they were all injured, not in the best shape or largely absent (totally absent in Vision’s case). Maybe it’s just a difficulty in incorporating them into scenes with other characters as they did a lot of good 1 on 1s with Thanos and powerful characters in both films. A shame as I prefer team moves to 1 on 1s, especially in a team film.

I mean it is difficult, but the answer is simply make the villain stronger. There's not necessarily a need to make the hero weak, just make the villain stronger (although in some cases you do need to put limitations).

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Thanos was already incredibly strong as he was able to beat Thor and Hulk in the Asgard ship in the beginning of IW. Then have something about the team needed to come together and use teamwork, as corny as that sounds, to defeat the bad guy.
Especially when you have incredibly strong characters like Hulk, Thor, CM, or even Superman in the DC universe. Just make Thanos, Darkseid or whoever really strong.
Because it looks silly when for example Quicksilver, who is really OP in DoFP, is just abandoned in the plot. When he really would've been helpful. It just comes across as silly.

 

[Iceman]

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I mean it is difficult, but the answer is simply make the villain stronger. No need to make the hero weak, just make the villain stronger. Thanos was already incredibly strong as he was able to beat Thor and Hulk in the Asgard ship in the beginning of IW. Then have something about the team needed to come together and use teamwork, as corny as that sounds, to defeat the bad guy.
Especially when you have incredibly strong characters like Hulk, Thor, CM, or even Superman in the DC universe

Agreed. I loved the team scene on Titan in IW so I was hoping the Russos would be able to do something that fits together equally well with the likes of Thor, Hulk, CM, Strange, SW and Vision.

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I thought everyone would be needed at the same time to take down Thanos.

 

[Dark Raven]

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What would've been cool is if this movie had been made some time in the future, or if they used the fat Thor plot device for a different future film, and Hemsworth really were out of shape.

Say he had retired from the MCU in Endgame as the Thor we all knew, but then years from now they decided to bring him back for an encore. It could be like the recent Star Wars films made 40 years after the original, but obviously not that long after for the MCU. Maybe Hemsworth had now put on a lot of weight and was older. Then having an out-of-shape Thor who is still able to hold his own in battle would give it a completely different feel. He'd be older, slower and not as strong, but we'd be cheering that he still gave it his all against a powerful enemy.

 

[Iceman]

It's probably the cinema chains that decide what goes in front and what they want to advertise.

I saw Spider-Man FFH trailer, but it was the first international trailer (not sure if there's another since)?

Yeah must be. I would rather see different trailers as it gets boring seeing the same ones lol.

 

[Iceman]

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What would've been cool is if this movie had been made some time in the future, or if they used the fat Thor plot device for a different future film, and Hemsworth really were out of shape.

Say he had retired from the MCU in Endgame as the Thor we all knew, but then years from now they decided to bring him back for an encore. It could be like the recent Star Wars films made 40 years after the original, but obviously not that long after for the MCU. Maybe Hemsworth had now put on a lot of weight and was older. Then having an out-of-shape Thor who is still able to hold his own in battle would give it a completely different feel. He'd be older, slower and not as strong, but we'd be cheering that he still gave it his all against a powerful enemy.

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I think a heavyset heavy-drinking Viking Thor that was obviously not in the shape of IW Thor would be fine, rather than a melted ice-cream soft-looking version lol.

 

[harlequinade]

I didn't get MIB trailer

They robbed me of more Chris

 

[Spider-Fan]

Guys...TAG SPOILERS!!! There are way too many major spoilers about the movie being casually dropped, especially in this thread where I just backlogged 2 pages worth of posts. Remember, Thor was not in the marketing materials at all. Y'all have to tag. Be courteous.

 

[harlequinade]

That's true but just in case someone get in trouble because of gif I made, there is a quick glimpse of him "powering up" in official promo released by Marvel youtube channel

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's true but just in case someone get in trouble because of gif I made, there is a quick glimpse of him "powering up" in official promo released by Marvel youtube channel

Honestly, I don't know what the GIF in question is off hand, but thanks for letting me know

 

[harlequinade]

Honestly, I don't know what the GIF in question is off hand, but thanks for letting me know

HammerDown used this beauty as an avatar

 

[RoastBeast]

A year ago I was jumped on for expressing my dissatisfaction with what was going on with Thor by Infinity War- I pointed out that they were writing Thor as a big failure- couldn't save his mother, father, brother, most of his people, world, failed to defeat Thanos, and I was soooo jumped on for saying they were setting Thor of all people up as a loser. See what I was sensing about what they were doing with him now? (yeah, I'm looking for validation because I got feelings hurt )

I'm still worried.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

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Personally I like being surprised in a film and fat Thor honestly had me laughing from the first scene. Especially when he threated noobmaster69. I don't care what anyone says that scene was pure gold.

I also thought how it was meta in a Waititi kind of way - a brilliant subversion of the trope that Hemsworth's Adonis like body has been featured shirtless in almost every single Thor appearance.

It doesn't even surprise me that he's fat. I mean he normally drinks Asgardian spirits - far too potent for any mortal. How much Midgardian beer would he have to drink to drown at the despair he must feel over his failure which cost the lives of literally trillions? Yeah sorry but he's gonna be fat.

Even so his arms were stiill ripped - he wasn't just some fat slob. He looked more like an offensive lineman to me. But still, in his state, no he was no longer a match for Thanos like she should have been. He still put up a good fight though and didn't back down which is all signature Thor. Just like he was when he bravely faced against the Destroyer as a mortal, and just like he was when facing Hela without Mjolnir - Thor never backs down - even despite the most impossible of odds. He and Cap are very similar in that regard and I think that's why their strongest affinity stems from time spent on the battlefield.

 

[RoastBeast]

So now it's the people who enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok's fault that we got a

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fat, excessively comedic and mildly useless Thor.

in End Game...

Go beep yourselves.

Ragnarok was glorious. It's Infinity War that was the problem. In so many ways.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

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But I would like to point out that Thor is nerfed or taken out of the picture in some way in pretty much every single film:

1. Thor - banished, made mortal and stripped of Mjolnir
2. Avengers - latest entrance of all the Avengers, then tied up dealing with the Hulk (which I loved of course) and then trapped in a cage designed to contain the Hulk
3. The Dark World - the portals kept him separated from Mjolnir for most of the final battle
4. Age of Ultron - off on his cave mission which we didn't even get to really see - one of my biggest peeves honestly
5. Civil War - off in space looking for the Infinity Stones
6. Ragnarok - Mjolnir totally destroyed and he needs to discover his true power
7. Infinity War - defeated by Thanos but determined to get revenge by building a weapon that can overcome the Gauntlet - on the far side of the universe wherever Nidavellir is
8. Endgame - out of shape and depressed with PTSD

That's 7 films he's been in and 1 film he was totally absent despite being a core Avenger. Of course Hawkeye missed out on Infinity War so I figure the score is even.

The Dark World and Age of Ultron are the only films where Thor is classic Thor the entire film but even there he was still disadvantaged somehow. I mean you need to frustrate and challenge the guy otherwise the story is boring: Thor destroys everyone effortlessly. End of movie. Yawn.

But there are times when it was done well and times where it could have been done better. To me Thor has never been better than Infinity War. And Ragnarok, despite all the wackiness and jokes, is right close behind in my book. Outside of his grand entrance in Wakanda and his forging Stormbreaker at Nidavellir, I don't think I've ever been as thrilled watching Thor's feats of power as displayed in Ragnarok.

This is why I'm both wary and optimistic about GOTG v3. Wary because I have no idea how James Gunn will utilize Thor or if he will relegate him to being just a cameo or the butt of jokes like Drax often is. Optimistic because Adam Warlock is so freaking powerful that there is no way you can nerf Thor if you want someone who can go toe to toe with him. Unless, that is, they nerf Warlock. Ugh...

So we will see. I agree with everyone who wishes Thor could have done more on the biggest stage but the movie was otherwise so exceptional that I'm at peace with it only because Thor's story is not over. Also honestly like First Avenger says I could never have imagined that we would get such a nuanced and layered characterization of Thor. He's no longer just some powerhouse, deus ex machina. He's realer than he's ever felt to me and after the merry-go-round of directors that Hemsworth has had to deal with I give Chris the most credit. Only Downey Jr. has had to work with as many different directors in the MCU as Hemsworth. And Hemsworth will pass RDJ once he works with Gunn. So the guy deserves major props.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

A year ago I was jumped on for expressing my dissatisfaction with what was going on with Thor by Infinity War- I pointed out that they were writing Thor as a big failure- couldn't save his mother, father, brother, most of his people, world, failed to defeat Thanos, and I was soooo jumped on for saying they were setting Thor of all people up as a loser. See what I was sensing about what they were doing with him now? (yeah, I'm looking for validation because I got feelings hurt )

I'm still worried.

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You're not wrong. But failure doesn't determine worthiness. We all fail at times.

By the end of this my hope is that Hemsworth will be the MCU's Hugh Jackman of sorts - a steady constant between the old and new phases of films and we will realize looking back we were still in the middle of his vast sweeping arc. It makes sense considering he's the longest lived of all the Avengers.

Of course this all depends on how long Hemsworth wants to keep playing Thor. He should though - it's an amazing gig for him that has brought him fame he otherwise would have never had. And he has certainly stepped up to the plate.

 

[RoastBeast]

You're not wrong. But failure doesn't determine worthiness. We all fail at times.

By the end of this my hope is that Hemsworth will be the MCU's Hugh Jackman of sorts - a steady constant between the old and new phases of films and we will realize looking back we were still in the middle of his vast sweeping arc. It makes sense considering he's the longest lived of all the Avengers.

Of course this all depends on how long Hemsworth wants to keep playing Thor. He should though - it's an amazing gig for him that has brought him fame he otherwise would have never had.

Thing is with Ragnarok, Thor bounced up at the end in spite of the potential darkness of the events, still Thor. By IW, there was a change, and now with Endgame,

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he's become Thor: Space Hitchhiker. I loved Endgame, and was laughing with everyone, but the long-term implications of this shift do concern me. I miss my "because that's what heroes do" guy- are they going to fossilize him as this now? Because he may be the longest lived of the Avengers, but I don't have a millennium to see this shift again.

I'm still shocked they made a topic like Ragnarok so hilariously wonderful.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Sorry Spider-Fan about the spoiler tags. I'm still getting used to the new site. I didn't even see a button for it but figured it out based on your edits.

 

[HammerDown]

I loved both Ragnarok and IW. The 2 best Thor movies in the MCU.
And i do feel that AEG works well as the last chapter of what i call Thor's ultimate trilogy.

Could it have been done better? Yes of course... of course... of course.

 

[harlequinade]

I always love Thor even with the bleached eyebrows :P Now THAT was a crime.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Thing is with Ragnarok, Thor bounced up at the end in spite of the potential darkness of the events, still Thor. By IW, there was a change, and now with Endgame,

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he's become Thor: Space Hitchhiker. I loved Endgame, and was laughing with everyone, but the long-term implications of this shift do concern me. I miss my "because that's what heroes do" guy- are they going to fossilize him as this now? Because he may be the longest lived of the Avengers, but I don't have a millennium to see this shift again.

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I'm still shocked they made a topic like Ragnarok so hilariously wonderful.

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Drax will put him on the Destroyer Fitness & Invisibility Program and get him back in shape by the time the next Guardians movie will come out, like how Diamond Dallas Page fixed Jake the Snake.

 

[FlareKnight]

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Drax will put him on the Destroyer Fitness & Invisibility Program and get him back in shape by the time the next Guardians movie will come out, like how Diamond Dallas Page fixed Jake the Snake.

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Honestly, that's what I expect for Volume 3. Thor will have more or less recovered and be back in shape. The Guardians are kind of the perfect place for him to be right now. They can all relate to the sort of loss he's suffered the past few movies. All of them are people that have lost stuff. Going on a journey where he's really only responsible for the companions he's with seems appropriate for him.

I'm just glad his journey continues onward. Thor seemed the one Avenger who really did have more stories to tell.

 

[BigThor]

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I'm glad Thor worked me in this movie and I didn't have the same issue w.it that a vocal few of u had-- and to be fair although I'm coming across videos and tons of comments of support for the direction they took him in I am seeing some that it didnt work for as well so I can say from what I'm seeing its a mixed-postivie reaction.

So for some it worked and for others it didnt...i think most of us get that.

What I dont get is the people who say they were cool w.it but somehow wanted his hammer to transform his fat tissues to muscle in the final battle? WTF!??? That would've been beyond lame!!!

Overweight people have value-- and Thor as someone slightly overweight (honestly compared to humans he really wasnt anywhere near what some have called a "fat slob"). Its possible for him to find his confidence and self-respect and be a badass even w.a few extra pounds on him. Now thats hes in a better state of mind he'll work off the extra pounds and be back to the normal Thor the next time we see him.

I much prefer them doing it this way- the way they did. Had they done it the other way I think it would've been a cop out and I'd have been very disappointed.

If the hammer can bring Thor back to life, save him from the brink of death, transform his clothes into armor, and

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braid his friggin beard

what would be so far fetched about it turning

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fat

in to

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muscle

?

Let's also not forget this is a film with flying horses, giants, purple aliens, green men, talking raccoons, norse gods, and wizards. By the way I as well as most of the other people you are referring were talking about workout montage not transformation by hammer.

 

[First Avenger]

Saw the movie again last night and my God, that emotional shift Thor makes when Hulk starts talking about Thanos got me all teary-eyed. Yeah there are jokes, but seeing Thor completely WRECKED in this movie killed me. Every scene Thor's in is a crazy mix of fun and sadness and I absolutely loved it. Hemsworth truly made Thor his own.

 

[BigThor]

Guys...TAG SPOILERS!!! There are way too many major spoilers about the movie being casually dropped, especially in this thread where I just backlogged 2 pages worth of posts. Remember, Thor was not in the marketing materials at all. Y'all have to tag. Be courteous.

To be fair the movie's almost been out for a week, how much longer are we gonna have to use spoiler tags?