Sequels Thor: Love and Thunder

[TheGuy]

I'm pretty sure that the hammer didn't have the worthiness enchantment on it until the events of the first Thor movie.

Yeah. Odin and Hela were the original owners of the hammer. The hammer existed before Thor was even born.

 

[hisham]

Both Thor and Valkyrie will be in love with Jane

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah. Odin and Hela were the original owners of the hammer. The hammer existed before Thor was even born.

What I meant was that while the hammer has been in existence for a long time, going back before Thor's birth, the hammer didn't require an worthy user until Odin placed an enchantment spell on it after banishing Thor in his first movie.

So Hela wasn't required to be a worthy person when she had wielded it since there was no enchantment placed on it.

In any case, I'm just sad that we don't have the likes of Balder, Beta Ray, and Sif (preferably portrayed by someone else) being in this film. I would rather focus on re-establishing Thor's gallery than wasting time on bringing Jane back to be Thor.

 

[TheGuy]

What I meant was that while the hammer has been in existence for a long time, going back before Thor's birth, the hammer didn't require an worthy user until Odin placed an enchantment spell on it after banishing Thor in his first movie.

So Hela wasn't required to be a worthy person when she had wielded it since there was no enchantment placed on it.

Yeah. That's what I meant.

 

[Iceman]

Actually, according to the Russos he could have lifted it from the start. Whedon though wanted a joke that made exactly zero sense in or out of context (he moves it a bit, which isn't possible. You can either lift it, or you can't).

No character is without fault, so no one would in theory be able to wield the hammer. And well, Odin can wield it, and considering what we learned about him, if complete purity of heart is necessary, he wouldn't be able to wield it either.

Yeah as mentioned by others I also thought right after watching it that he moved it a bit and stopped himself moving it fully as that would have shown Thor up in front of everyone. When you try to lift heavy weights (deadlift for eg) and you can shift them a bit (even while they're still pretty much touching the ground), you then know you can lift them and can stop at that point. I certainly hope that was what Whedon was going for.

 

[Marvolo]

Its Taika. He is mostly going to play Jane as Thor for laughs. Feige wants this for woke reasons. So I wouldnt worry too much about the why or how of Jane wielding Mjolnir. I doubt Taika or Feige are gonna let the why or how of it get in their way. Its barely an inconvenience. Theyll cram some abbreviated "origin" into the film and transform Jane from the dorky egghead into a warrior that smashes faces and breaks bones with Mjolnir.

If they really wanted to do this they should have developed it across a trilogy. Reintroduce Jane in Thor 4 and move her towards becoming Thor and Thor towards becoming the All Father over the course of the trilogy. Trying to cram a female Thor origin story, Jane becoming a different character, and Thor going from the "dude" to the All Father is probably going to feel underdeveloped.

And I didnt immediately think of it, but its ridiculous that they arent giving Mjolnir to Valkyrie. Her origin and redemption in Ragnarok, and her actions in Endgame, and her becoming Queen made her the obvious female to wield Mjolnir.

#subvertedexpectations

 

[flickchick85]

My wife and I went with the idea that he saw he was moving it and stopped because he didn't want to embarrass Thor.

Both Whedon AND the Russos have suggested this is likely what happened, so I'm going with: that's what happened. It seems to be the head-canon the Marvel Studios creatives subscribe to, which essentially makes it canon.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Its Taika. He is mostly going to play Jane as Thor for laughs. Feige wants this for woke reasons. So I wouldnt worry too much about the why or how of Jane wielding Mjolnir. I doubt Taika or Feige are gonna let the why or how of it get in their way. Its barely an inconvenience. Theyll cram some abbreviated "origin" into the film and transform Jane from the dorky egghead into a warrior that smashes faces and breaks bones with Mjolnir.

If they really wanted to do this they should have developed it across a trilogy. Reintroduce Jane in Thor 4 and move her towards becoming Thor and Thor towards becoming the All Father over the course of the trilogy. Trying to cram a female Thor origin story, Jane becoming a different character, and Thor going from the "dude" to the All Father is probably going to feel underdeveloped.

I didnt immediately think of it but its ridiculous that they arent giving Mjolnir to Valkyrie. Her origin and redemption in Ragnarok, and her actions in Endgame, and her becoming Queen made her the obvious female to wield Mjolnir.

Pitch Meeting!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Both Whedon AND the Russos have suggested this is likely what happened, so I'm going with: that's what happened. It seems to be the head-canon the Marvel Studios creatives subscribe to, which essentially makes it canon.

Otherwise, WTF?

 

[LoganGambit87]

not a fan of this direction first of all it is not at all earned character wise, jane hasn't acted in a mcu film in 5 years,portman phoned in alot of her performances

does'nt feel very organic

 

[DarthSkywalker]

not a fan of this direction first of all it is not at all earned character wise, jane hasn't acted in a mcu film in 5 years,portman phoned in alot of her performances

does'nt feel very organic

Actually, she was in Endgame.

Also did Portman phone in her performances, or was her character an unwritten afterthought?

 

[flickchick85]

"Jane, you are unworthy. You phoned it in too much."

 

[TheGuy]

Its Taika. He is mostly going to play Jane as Thor for laughs. Feige wants this for woke reasons. So I wouldnt worry too much about the why or how of Jane wielding Mjolnir. I doubt Taika or Feige are gonna let the why or how of it get in their way. Its barely an inconvenience. Theyll cram some abbreviated "origin" into the film and transform Jane from the dorky egghead into a warrior that smashes faces and breaks bones with Mjolnir.

If they really wanted to do this they should have developed it across a trilogy. Reintroduce Jane in Thor 4 and move her towards becoming Thor and Thor towards becoming the All Father over the course of the trilogy. Trying to cram a female Thor origin story, Jane becoming a different character, and Thor going from the "dude" to the All Father is probably going to feel underdeveloped.

And I didnt immediately think of it, but its ridiculous that they arent giving Mjolnir to Valkyrie. Her origin and redemption in Ragnarok, and her actions in Endgame, and her becoming Queen made her the obvious female to wield Mjolnir.

#subvertedexpectations

Yep. Jane wielding the hammer in Thor 4 will be very rushed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"Jane, you are unworthy. You phoned it in too much."

Never stopped Scarlett.

 

[C. Lee]

, jane hasn't acted in a mcu film in 5 years,portman phoned in alot of her performances

Portman was mad at the people in charge of the MCU when she made THOR THE DARK WORLD because of the change of directors. Since then.....her career hasn't done too good, but the MCU is flourishing. She has seen the light....she will do a better performance the next time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yep. Jane wielding the hammer in Thor 4 will be very rushed.

Remember when Bucky was going to be rushed in TWS because the First Avenger didn't setup that story properly? How did that work out again?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Portman was mad at the people in charge of the MCU when she made THOR THE DARK WORLD because of the change of directors. Since then.....her career hasn't done too good, but the MCU is flourishing. She has seen the light....she will do a better performance the next time.

She did get herself another Oscar nomination since TDW. Also, if we are going to be fair, she was definitely right about TDW director situation.

 

[TheGuy]

Remember when Bucky was going to be rushed in TWS because the First Avenger didn't setup that story properly? How did that work out again?

Bucky played a role in TFA and his story line in TWS follows organically from the former. The Avengers never had to insert a role for Bucky to be reintroduced.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bucky played a role in TFA and his story line in TWS follows organically from the former. The Avengers never had to insert a role for Bucky to be reintroduced.

What does that even mean? Jane is a character that already exist. Just like Bucky before. TWS does the heavy lifting on the relationship with Bucky, because it was shortchanged in The First Avenger. Similarly to how Cap and Iron Man's relationship wasn't really delved into before Civil War. Where again the Russos did the heavy lifting to make it work.

 

[TheGuy]

What does that even mean? Jane is a character that already exist. Just like Bucky before. TWS does the heavy lifting on the relationship with Bucky, because it was shortchanged in The First Avenger. Similarly to how Cap and Iron Man's relationship wasn't really delved into before Civil War. Where again the Russos did the heavy lifting to make it work.

Characters cannot simply transform without proper background. Jane shouldn't wield the hammer just because of one film. Nothing in her previous appearances showed she is anywhere near worthy. If Waititi can make a compelling script contradicting my opinion, then I'll accept his vision for the film.

Eh. I disagree that TFA shortchanged Cap and Bucky's friendship. I honestly think it remains the best portrayal and interactions between the two. TFA is the best Cap-titled film IMO. Similarly, Cap and Tony's disagreements were in full view already since the first Avengers.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Having trouble sleeping from the hype of thinking of scenes of Jane, thor and BRB kicking *edit(butt) together and valkyrie ofcourse.

Thorvengers

 

[MahvelBaby!]

As for Portman I think she sees how things have changed in a post perlmutter mcu I think she will give it her all.

 

[Abudefduf]

I don't know what to make of this, it's not what I was expecting. I like Jane-Thor in the comics but I wasn't a huge fan of MCU Jane... and yeah, I'm not too fond of how Marvel is treating Thor either. We'll see.

I don't get why so many get so irritated whenever I get upset about the creative decisions regarding one of my favorite characters yet when other people do the same they just let it go.

It's because there are some things about the MCU that you're simply not allowed to criticize without being told that you're either a troll or dumb for not understanding the brilliance of what Marvel is doing and/or having people randomly bring up how much money MCU movies make.

Apparently "I don't like what they're doing with this character" is not an option. It's not just happening to you and it's getting really annoying.

 

[harlequinade]

I always loved Thor and Jane so I'm so happy about this!

 

[Herolee10]

Having trouble sleeping from the hype of thinking of scenes of Jane, thor and BRB kicking *edit(butt) together and valkyrie ofcourse.

Thorvengers

Has Beta Ray Bill even been confirmed for this film?

I guess it is still too early to tell on what the film will primarily be about. However, if it's later confirmed that the crux of this film's plot line is simply about Thor mentoring Jane to become the next Thor or controlling her newfound powers so that they can fight the big villain then count me out.

I honestly have no interest in seeing a film where Thor's main role is to teach Jane to become the next Thor. I still believe that the character has a lot to contribute that doesn't involve him being used as a stepping stone to make another character great.

Thor is no longer an Avenger or a Prince/King of Asgard. This film should be about him finding his new identity/role.

And in all honesty, Jane has not earned the right to become the next face of the franchise IF that is what they're trying to go for. They can make her more likable in this film than she was in her previous two outings. However, there has been nothing to suggest that she is worthy of all of that.

Now if they had said that Black Widow was going to be the next leader of the Avengers after AOU then I think people would have easily agreed with it because the character earned it by that point and was NATURALLY developed ON-SCREEN where she would be right for that role.

Jane Foster as the next Thor, not so much. And keep in mind that just because it happened in the comics, doesn't mean that it should also be given a free pass because not everyone agrees with every creative decisions that are made in the comics. Now, I know that there are those who will enjoy this film for what it is and that's fine. I'm not here to change their mind.

But damn, I just can't help but feel more disappointed whenever I think about this. Thor was one of my favorite heroes in the MCU after Ragnarok and Endgame. To go from that to this is just depressing.