Sequels Thor: Love and Thunder

[Herolee10]

What does it mean to be worthy to lift Mjolnir.

Wait, how much Thor have you read?

You just keep on making up scenarios for this movie, to make it the worst thing imaginable to you.

I'm just going by what was established in the MCU. If Tony, Rhodey, Bruce, and Clint are not presented as being worthy then I wonder on what makes Jane so much better than them to be considered otherwise.

 

[Iceman]

So torn...
Taika's Ragnarok, good...
Portman's Foster, bad...
I was so concerned by the rumors during that production, and it turned out so good. Can he pull off making even this good? I'm not going to write him off.
But...

I don’t think he would have had this dumped on him. He likely wanted it so there’s no reason he can’t make it good, at least for those who liked his work prior.

 

[Herolee10]

He was? Thor was setup well in TDW and AoU? In what multiverse did this happen?

At the end of TDW, Thor stated that he wanted to be a better man first than a good king.

At the end of AOU, he wanted to look into who was orchestrating the events that tied closely with the infinity stones.

At the end of EG, he wants to give up being responsible for his people so that he can have fun with the Guardians.

 

[TheGuy]

What does it mean to be worthy to lift Mjolnir.

Wait, how much Thor have you read?

You just keep on making up scenarios for this movie, to make it the worst thing imaginable to you.

Easy. Sacrifice and purity in heart. Cap took multiple films to wield the hammer and faced many near death situations. Vision is a pure character with no faults whatsoever. Jane shouldn't be wielding the hammer just because of one story line in one film.

 

[hisham]

I'm just going by what was established in the MCU. If Tony, Rhodey, Bruce, and Clint are not presented as being worthy then I wonder on what makes Jane so much better than them to be considered otherwise.

Maybe Thor might be giving her the powers because he is in love with her

 

[TheGuy]

I'm just going by what was established in the MCU. If Tony, Rhodey, Bruce, and Clint are not presented as being worthy then I wonder on what makes Jane so much better than them to be considered otherwise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Easy. Sacrifice and purity in heart. Cap took multiple films to wield the hammer and faced many near death situations. Vision is a pure character with no faults whatsoever. Jane shouldn't be wielding the hammer just because of one story line in one film.

Actually, according to the Russos he could have lifted it from the start. Whedon though wanted a joke that made exactly zero sense in or out of context (he moves it a bit, which isn't possible. You can either lift it, or you can't).

No character is without fault, so no one would in theory be able to wield the hammer. And well, Odin can wield it, and considering what we learned about him, if complete purity of heart is necessary, he wouldn't be able to wield it either.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I'm just going by what was established in the MCU. If Tony, Rhodey, Bruce, and Clint are not presented as being worthy then I wonder on what makes Jane so much better than them to be considered otherwise.

Kevin Feige's pandering - that's what.

 

[Iceman]

Thor will become the all father and do and do the Odin role and Jane will get Thor role

That would be ideal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kevin Feige's pandering - that's what.

Uh huh.

Just so we are clear. We do realize this is a storyline from the comics. One of the most well regarded storylines from the comics. Are we suggesting that Lady Thor is not an established part of Thor lore, one considered to be rather good?

 

[TheGuy]

Actually, according to the Russos he could have lifted it from the start. Whedon though wanted a joke that made exactly zero sense in or out of context (he moves it a bit, which isn't possible. You can either lift it, or you can't).

No character is without fault, so no one would in theory be able to wield the hammer. And well, Odin can wield it, and considering what we learned about him, if complete purity of heart is necessary, he wouldn't be able to wield it either.

Yet Cap couldn't in Ultron. So...

Sacrifice and purity in heart aren't mutually connected. Odin made the hammer for Hela, but because of her bloody nature she had to be imprisoned. A spell was made that the hammer should be wielded by someone worthy but it does not negate that Hela was the original owner. Odin himself is the character that made or commissioned the hammer so naturally he could wield it.

 

[Marvolo]

Natalie Portman's Jane as a female Thor sounds like a godawful idea. Jaimie Alexander's Lady Sif would have made a better female replacement.

 

[hisham]

Oh I hope the real queen of asguard shows up and take the throne from these new queens and make Odin proud which thor failed.

 

[TheGuy]

I'm not against Jane becoming Thor or possessing the power of Thor. Thor himself should settle and become a true king. That is all I want.

 

[RoastBeast]

I don’t think he would have had this dumped on him. He likely wanted it so there’s no reason he can’t make it good, at least for those who liked his work prior.

I don't lack faith in him- so I'm holding on to that. I just never felt Portman as Jane, but heck, Ragnarok shouldn't have worked but it did. He's a nut, he's got to know what he's doing.

 

[C. Lee]

Actually, according to the Russos he could have lifted it from the start. Whedon though wanted a joke that made exactly zero sense in or out of context (he moves it a bit, which isn't possible. You can either lift it, or you can't).

My wife and I went with the idea that he saw he was moving it and stopped because he didn't want to embarrass Thor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yet Cap couldn't in Ultron. So...

Sacrifice and purity in heart aren't mutually connected. Odin made the hammer for Hela, but because of her bloody nature she had to be imprisoned. A spell was made that the hammer should be wielded by someone worthy but it does not negate that Hela was the original owner. Odin himself is the character that made or commissioned the hammer so naturally he could wield it.

Except he moved it. Which still doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and probably why like the mid credit scene from AoU, they ignored it.

The hammer choices who is worthy. Being a superhero is not a prerequisite to wielding the hammer. Being a good person is. If Jane is anything, she is that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My wife and I went with the idea that he saw he was moving it and stopped because he didn't want to embarrass Thor.

Okay, this I love. It works for both characters.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I feel like the character of Jane Foster will mainly be remembered by who portrayed her as opposed to how she was portrayed. People mainly remember her because she was played by Natalie Portman and not because the character herself was compelling to watch.

And even though I enjoyed Thor, for the most part in Ragnarok, I do feel like he came off dumb a few times when compared to Valkyrie so I'm not excited on seeing more of that, especially when he's more worse now after his transformation in EG.

 

[Herolee10]

My wife and I went with the idea that he saw he was moving it and stopped because he didn't want to embarrass Thor.

Yeah, that's what I thought as well after seeing EG. And it makes sense given on Steve has been established as being a very humble person in the MCU.

 

[RoastBeast]

But do you have to be a good person? Hela.

 

[Kev4000]

Im not a fan About Portman being female Thor...
She was gone, noone missed her, but it seems Thor Needs his girlfriend for say goodbye.

 

[Herolee10]

But do you have to be a good person? Hela.

I'm pretty sure that the hammer didn't have the worthiness enchantment on it until the events of the first Thor movie.

 

[RoastBeast]

I'm pretty sure that the hammer didn't have the worthiness enchantment on it until the events of the first Thor movie.

So she was grandfathered in? I suppose that makes as much sense as anything.

 

[TheGuy]

Except he moved it. Which still doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and probably why like the mid credit scene from AoU, they ignored it.

The hammer choices who is worthy. Being a superhero is not a prerequisite to wielding the hammer. Being a good person is. If Jane is anything, she is that.

Moved and wield are not the same. The Avengers' reaction when Vision wielded the hammer speaks for itself.

As I said, I'm not completely against the idea of Jane wielding the hammer. My only concern is that that particular story line feels rushed considering the development of the idea throughout the MCU.