Sequels Thor: Love and Thunder

[Ragnaroknroll]

The problem (as always) with Marvel is they don't know when to let up. I started the movie thinking the Lebowski thing was kind of funny and genuinely had some fun with it. But then it kept going and going. It basically never stopped. To top that off I got to watch him get his face kicked in by Thanos and disappear thru most of the final CGI orgy.

Thor had some small moments in that battle but yeah I was honestly disappointed. I know he was out of shape blah blah but still. You reminding me of this is making me realize I really need to see Thor back in top form. Feige talks about Endgame being a sort of closure but it was no kind of closure for Thor fans.

Now Waititi did gives us some of our best Thor power moments so I'm very optimistic we'll get a chance to see more of that in this new flick. But it's going to be bittersweet if everything is just a big joke.

 

[Zarex]

Perhaps you missed this, but I have literally no desire in reading the stories of an unoriginal character treading on the namesake of a popular one.

So you were DONE with Flash and Green Lantern comics and the FF (with their Human Torch imposter) since the onset of the Silver Age? Along with recent movie like Ant Man & The Wasp, Logan, Captain Marvel, SHAZAM! and Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse? And upcoming projects like Stargirl, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, and Birds of Prey?

But why are they propping up Portman at the expense of Hemsworth and why on the heels of having to watch Thor morphed into a depressed slob? She's been gone from this franchise since 2013. By and large, nobody cares about her except for hardcore MCU purists who need their hearts mended.

It's entirely possible that BOTH Portman and Hemsworth will shine in Love & Thunder. I don't see it as a competition.

As for legacies in the MCU, the offset to "sell-by" dates is the fact that there are hundreds of other characters to cast in movies for the next 5-6 decades. But this is Marvel and they're basically admitting their send-offs are manufactured and they're too afraid to let go. They want to continue treading on the marketing cache those original characters built up and have them live on with other ones who are basically rehashes.

That's comics for you. The same characters appearing in the same stories until the heat death of the universe. The appeal of legacies to me is the potential for new stories when a different character picks up the hammer, puts on the armor, straps on the shield or draws back the bow.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

One final thought for now. A lot of us love humor - and Thor is a humorous, zany kind of character at times and always has been. But I feel there's a sort of growing consensus among us long time Thor fans that enough's enough. Marvel is teetering way too far into silliness here and we need some gravitas and dignity with how our fave hero is handled. Infinity War gave us that. It was the perfect balance IMO. And then it was taken away for many of us.

Fact is Thor's all over the place. Cap and Iron Man couldn't ask for a better ending to their respective sagas. Whatever Marvel decides to do with the rightful king of Asgard, give him his proper due and give us fans the closure we deserve.

 

[jolldan]

Yeah not the Drax we've seen. Unless they nerf Adam Warlock - which I certainly hope they don't.

Thor was actually one of the first to tangle with Warlock in the comics long before he even had that name. It was all because Warlock had taken Sif and it sent Thor into a rage like never seen. I don't know what reason they could contrive but it might actually be a great opportunity to finally see Thor's Warrior's Madness in the MCU. Because we never have and it's kind of like one of his signature things.

Sounds like it would be a cool way to reintroduce Sif as well as explain her absence as well.

 

[BoredGuy]

So you were DONE with Flash and Green Lantern comics and the FF (with their Human Torch imposter) since the onset of the Silver Age? Along with recent movie like Ant Man & The Wasp, Logan, Captain Marvel, SHAZAM! and Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse? And upcoming projects like Stargirl, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, and Birds of Prey?

That's comics for you. The same characters appearing in the same stories until the heat death of the universe. The appeal of legacies to me is the potential for new stories when a different character picks up the hammer, puts on the armor, straps on the shield or draws back the bow.

For me personally, whether or not I connect with a legacy character depends entirely on that character's role before taking over the mantle.

I started reading Thor around the JMS run, so I had no connection to Jane as a character. Thor was in love with Sif, and Jane was just some ex-girlfriend who occasionally gave him medical help. Then Thor gets all mopey and Jane comes out of nowhere to pick up the hammer and is somehow immediately a better Thor than Thor ever was despite his thousands of years of training.

As a contrast, I supported X-23 to take over for Wolverine, because I liked the character and saw the connection she and Logan had been building for several years. (I didn't like the Death of Wolverine story, but that's a separate issue) but if anyone was to takeover it had to be her. She was trained and capable, and even then she had some stumbles on her way to becoming the new Wolverine. She wasn't just automatically better than her predecessor.

So I didn't love Jane as the pick for new Thor, and added to the fact that I don't care for Portman in these movies in general, it's disappointing after the high of hearing news that Taika would be back.

 

[JtheDreamer]

For me personally, whether or not I connect with a legacy character depends entirely on that character's role before taking over the mantle.

I started reading Thor around the JMS run, so I had no connection to Jane as a character. Thor was in love with Sif, and Jane was just some ex-girlfriend who occasionally gave him medical help. Then Thor gets all mopey and Jane comes out of nowhere to pick up the hammer and is somehow immediately a better Thor than Thor ever was despite his thousands of years of training.

As a contrast, I supported X-23 to take over for Wolverine, because I liked the character and saw the connection she and Logan had been building for several years. (I didn't like the Death of Wolverine story, but that's a separate issue) but if anyone was to takeover it had to be her. She was trained and capable, and even then she had some stumbles on her way to becoming the new Wolverine. She wasn't just automatically better than her predecessor.

So I didn't love Jane as the pick for new Thor, and added to the fact that I don't care for Portman in these movies in general, it's disappointing after the high of hearing news that Taika would be back.

Exactly.

There's no development leading up to this. She's been gone for years after largely forgettable performances and now it's going to be "Oh hey look it's Jane and she's Mighty Thor now".

(I wish I knew how to mod this with a background from a Thor movie)

 

[Zarex]

For me personally, whether or not I connect with a legacy character depends entirely on that character's role before taking over the mantle.

I started reading Thor around the JMS run, so I had no connection to Jane as a character. Thor was in love with Sif, and Jane was just some ex-girlfriend who occasionally gave him medical help. Then Thor gets all mopey and Jane comes out of nowhere to pick up the hammer and is somehow immediately a better Thor than Thor ever was despite his thousands of years of training.

As a contrast, I supported X-23 to take over for Wolverine, because I liked the character and saw the connection she and Logan had been building for several years. (I didn't like the Death of Wolverine story, but that's a separate issue) but if anyone was to takeover it had to be her. She was trained and capable, and even then she had some stumbles on her way to becoming the new Wolverine. She wasn't just automatically better than her predecessor.

So I didn't love Jane as the pick for new Thor, and added to the fact that I don't care for Portman in these movies in general, it's disappointing after the high of hearing news that Taika would be back.

I can see this, and hopefully Jane Thor will be presented as a different Thor as opposed to a better Thor. I did enjoy Jane Thor's more personal relationship with "Mew Mew" and I hope that will be carried over into Love & Thunder. And while I didn't hate Portman as much as some others, I can understand the criticism. But I LOVE the idea of working the original Thor crew - yes, even Darcy - into Team Ragnarok.

 

[spider-neil]

I hope the director takes this movie somewhat seriously. I had big problems with how pretty much every series moment in the movie was undercut with a joke. The worst being the joke after Thor's home of centuries is blown to pieces. If you don't take it seriously then why should I?

I thought the Russo's did a much better job with Thor in Infinity War. In fact, the Russo's make pretty much every hero better.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'll take Darcy over Thor Cheese Whiz jokes any day.

Oh god no...

The "fat-shaming Thor" jokes were kind of off-putting, but I don't need more Darcy in these Thor films. Ragnarok was so great in part because they finally ditched those human characters.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Sounds like it would be a cool way to reintroduce Sif as well as explain her absence as well.

Hmmmm that's actually a great idea and it would be based on the source material.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Oh god no...

The "fat-shaming Thor" jokes were kind of off-putting, but I don't need more Darcy in these Thor films. Ragnarok was so great in part because they finally ditched those human characters.

The Cheese Whiz comment was Thor's low point if you ask me. That wasn't fat shaming. That was just blatant disrespect to the character. I still get mad thinking about it.

I don't really care if Darcy ever comes back but she was silly and sweet and didn't bother me in the least.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I hope the director takes this movie somewhat seriously. I had big problems with how pretty much every series moment in the movie was undercut with a joke. The worst being the joke after Thor's home of centuries is blown to pieces. If you don't take it seriously then why should I?

I thought the Russo's did a much better job with Thor in Infinity War. In fact, the Russo's make pretty much every hero better.

Agree. Infinity War is peak Thor.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

For me personally, whether or not I connect with a legacy character depends entirely on that character's role before taking over the mantle.

I started reading Thor around the JMS run, so I had no connection to Jane as a character. Thor was in love with Sif, and Jane was just some ex-girlfriend who occasionally gave him medical help. Then Thor gets all mopey and Jane comes out of nowhere to pick up the hammer and is somehow immediately a better Thor than Thor ever was despite his thousands of years of training.

As a contrast, I supported X-23 to take over for Wolverine, because I liked the character and saw the connection she and Logan had been building for several years. (I didn't like the Death of Wolverine story, but that's a separate issue) but if anyone was to takeover it had to be her. She was trained and capable, and even then she had some stumbles on her way to becoming the new Wolverine. She wasn't just automatically better than her predecessor.

So I didn't love Jane as the pick for new Thor, and added to the fact that I don't care for Portman in these movies in general, it's disappointing after the high of hearing news that Taika would be back.

OK now I don't want to read Jane Thor. I wasn't blown away by Aaron's God Butcher or War of the Realms and this sounds worse.

What is it with other people taking Thor's power and using it better than him?

 

[BoredGuy]

I mean, im simplifying for effect, I'd still read the story
but yeah, she basically started immediately using powers Thor never knew mjolnir had
supposedly because Jane and the hammer had a 'connection' and she understood its essence, while Thor always just thought it was a hammer that channeled his powers

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I didn't get the impression that Jane used Mjolnir better, just differently. She is able to make Mjolnir fly around in more advanced ways, but she also felt less powerful. Kind of putting more points into agility and less into strength.

I guess power levels vary even within the story (let alone in comics in general), but I don't remember her doing anything on the level that Thor does in the Godbutcher story, and unworthy Thor beats up Apocalypse and the X-Men on his own (young Loki lures him away because he's afraid Thor will kill them, as t, so he's hardly useless without Mjolnir either.

 

[Fallen]

Subforum:

Thor: Love and Thunder

 

[JtheDreamer]

Agree. Infinity War is peak Thor.

For me it was the rainbow bridge scene at the end of Ragnarok - nothing has come close to the powers he put on display. Although I know why some would choose the neutron star blast in IG.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I mean, im simplifying for effect, I'd still read the story
but yeah, she basically started immediately using powers Thor never knew mjolnir had
supposedly because Jane and the hammer had a 'connection' and she understood its essence, while Thor always just thought it was a hammer that channeled his powers

Understood its essence? Oh God.

Pass.

 

[Shuri]

If you don't want to see Thor go toe-to-toe with Adam Warlock then I have a hard time taking you seriously as a Thor fan. The character was made for moments like this.

Instead are we gonna have another dance off? Seriously.

. Is there a prize to be won for being Thor's fan?

I'm here because I'm a fan of MCU Thor. And I don't care what Thor did with Adam in the comics, I just don't want him to overshadow the guardians in their own movie. Another reason I don't want him in it is that Hemsworth seems to love playing fun Thor, and I fear that he would over do it if he gets paired with the guardians. I love fun Thor, but I didn't like him in Endgame, I fear we'll get more of the same in gotg 3. I'm glad it looks like he won't be in it.

 

[Shuri]

I hope they bring back Darcy for my entertainment with the ensuing meltdown in here

Maybe Darcy is really Beta Ray Bill!?

Don't even think about it. That character is the definition of annoying.

 

[Shuri]

But I LOVE the idea of working the original Thor crew - yes, even Darcy - into Team Ragnarok.

Come on guys, you've got to stop before Taika sees this and next thing you know, we get a press release that Darcy is going to be in this.

 

[Mad Ones]

The Mighty Thor was a really high quality run in terms of writing and art. I think Jane's story is beautiful there and it's pretty cool that Marvel does look to recent stories for inspiration.

 

[HammerDown]

The Official News and Speculation Thread

If someone is interested in joining the conversation on the Thor: Love & Thunder forum.

 

[ComicChick]

Anyone think this is likely to happen in this movie? I know Jane was with Thor before and hasn't previously indicated she swings that way, but maybe becoming a female Thor will change her?

No.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

. Is there a prize to be won for being Thor's fan?

I'm here because I'm a fan of MCU Thor. And I don't care what Thor did with Adam in the comics, I just don't want him to overshadow the guardians in their own movie. Another reason I don't want him in it is that Hemsworth seems to love playing fun Thor, and I fear that he would over do it if he gets paired with the guardians. I love fun Thor, but I didn't like him in Endgame, I fear we'll get more of the same in gotg 3. I'm glad it looks like he won't be in it.

Yes! We're all card carrying members don't you know? ;-)

Well I'm not sure if your opinion counts more than mine because you're a movie fan and I'm a comic fan (actually I'm a fan of both) but I certainly care what Thor did with Adam in the comics. The movies frankly wouldn't exist without the comics and I personally would not have been a fan without the comics. Marvel has of course has gone off script from time to time but generally the films tend to maintain some kind of faithfulness to the source material. If there are classic moments from the comics that fans really enjoyed then why wouldn't they want to see it realized on film?