Three Teens Arrested for Waiting While Black

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

And again I never said this specific instance was racist, but I do think it played a part in it. The cop was abusing his power and had no right to tell these children to disperse when they had an adult who was in charge of them telling the officer that the kids were waiting for a bus. Had this been white suburbia we wouldn't be discussing this.

 

[Pythenis]

And again I never said this specific instance was racist, but I do think it played a part in it. The cop was abusing his power and had no right to tell these children to disperse when they had an adult who was in charge of them telling the officer that the kids were waiting for a bus. Had this been white suburbia we wouldn't be discussing this.

You are so filled with hate and racism you can't even say it was an abuse of power by the cop without bringing racism into the statement. The cop was over zealous regardless of the teens race.

 

[vindrow]

I don't see why it was necessary to arrest and book them. What a waste of time and resources. That cop could have been doing something that was actually worth the tax payer's dollars. That's just so inefficient.

Yeah, like eating donutst:

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

You are so filled with hate and racism you can't even say it was an abuse of power by the cop without bringing racism into the statement. The cop was over zealous regardless of the teens race.

So you think I'm some kind of self hating white guy? You really have no idea just how wrong you are, I've got about much hate in me as Pooh bear. And although this is MY OPINION I think if the children had been white the cop wouldn't have hassled them, do I have any evidence to back that up? Obviously no, although I can site many specific articles (some of which I've posted about here on the Hype) that show the NYPD have a history of being pretty racist.

But you can believe whatever you want to believe, I'm not trying to change your opinion

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So other than the original poster implying that this was a racist article, where is the racism in the article?

It seems a store owner was complaining of kids loitering, a cop asked the kids to leave (black, white, pink, yellow, green etc.) the kids pleaded their case, the cop did not want to hear it or the coaches and arrested them? The cop made a bad call ultimately, but where is the "racism"? Seems like it's only in the OP's mind...

Racism is possible.

NYPD are notorious for racial profiling.

Just look at the racial disparities from the "stop and frisk" program.

 

[Warhammer]

Yeah, like eating donutst:

You got me there. Some cops sure do have donut parties on the side of the road.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You are so filled with hate and racism you can't even say it was an abuse of power by the cop without bringing racism into the statement. The cop was over zealous regardless of the teens race.

So accusing a policeman of racial profiling is racist?

Since when?

 

[Tropico]

So many misunderstandings...if only people read; at the very least the article.

The article didn't have any racial undertones whatsoever. It's never mentioned that those arrested were the only black teens. The coach is black and he wasn't arrested, even though he was threatened. The whole racial angle, which is even mentioned in the title, is from DJ. If you read the rest of the posts you'll see why some people are bashing DJ.

 

[charl_huntress]

how about an edit

 

[charl_huntress]

I don't even remember posting here....but I guess I like it.

 

[Mike_D202]

In summary:
They gathered on private property, property owner calls the cops to ask them to leave. They refuse citing they were waiting for a bus (at this point the cop is doing his job trying to get the people off the property), all of them were probably arguing with the cop, he gets fed up with the non-compliance and takes them to jail. Internet blows up with racial profiling and saying the cop abused his authority.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

They were on the pavement

A police officer arrested three teens last week as they were standing outside a store in downtown Rochester, New York. Their crime: Waiting for a school bus.

Public money, not private property

The three were charged with with disorderly conduct and obstructing the sidewalk.

Is the sidewalk narrow? Did the 3 stop people from passing? Or entering the shop?
The cop couldn't suggest to the three to wait someplace else? Convenient for everyone? Like just across the road?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

In summary:
They gathered on private property, property owner calls the cops to ask them to leave. They refuse citing they were waiting for a bus (at this point the cop is doing his job trying to get the people off the property), all of them were probably arguing with the cop, he gets fed up with the non-compliance and takes them to jail. Internet blows up with racial profiling and saying the cop abused his authority.

When did explaining to a cop you're waiting for a bus become an arrestable offense?

Plus this "peace keeper" threatened to arrest the coach who verified the students were simply waiting for a bus.

If this cop was so reasonable and was simply keeping the peace shouldn't he have freed the students and apologized for the misunderstanding at this point?

The reason people assume racial profiling was involved is because blacks are unfairly targeted by the police more often than whites. Just look at "Stop and Frisk".

Maybe if cops didn't racially profile so much it would be safer to assume this cop would've treated 3 white students just as harshly. And if he did it would still be news worthy for being an abuse of authority even without the possible racial profiling element.

 

[Mike_D202]

When did explaining to a cop you're waiting for a bus become an arrestable offense?

That wasn't the offense they were arrested for, they were asked to leave the area because the property owner didn't want them there and they refused even arguing with the cop. Sounds like they were given plenty of time to move along and they didn't.

They were on the pavement

Just because your not directly inside a building doesn't mean your not trespassing, the sidewalk was part of the store owner's property and has had a problem with loiters.

 

[Pythenis]

So many misunderstandings...if only people read; at the very least the article.

The article didn't have any racial undertones whatsoever. It's never mentioned that those arrested were the only black teens. The coach is black and he wasn't arrested, even though he was threatened. The whole racial angle, which is even mentioned in the title, is from DJ. If you read the rest of the posts you'll see why some people are bashing DJ.

Exactly....

Now to comment on the Police Officer handling the situation, well here is a growing problem, terminology and posturing.

In the mid-west/east we see allot of terms like "law enforcement", "enforcing the law" which are active terms implying that Police Officers are not monitoring and "policing" laws, they are rather actively looking to "enforce" laws. In the south Police Officers have a different posture, they "keep the peace" or consider themselves "peace officers" again a completely different posture and way of handling situations.

I don't like the idea of "law enforcement" personally, it's a very aggressive posture and I think feeds the mentality of some Police Officers that they are the law and they are not subject to the law.

That said, young people are challenging authority more openly and aggressively than ever before in this country, right or wrong the aggressive stance of some youth also fuels these situations. Police Officers are taught to take control of the situation and some will take it to extreme measures.

An officer "keeping the peace" may have dealt with this situation in an entirely different way than one "enforcing the law".

This article has nothing to do with racism.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I read the article, read articles before judging
It still reeks of the cop being an @$$

 

[Tropico]

I think these 2 previous posts on this same thread should answer your question.

Apart from all the stuff we hear and read happening, there's nothing in the quote that makes me think that, this case in particular, was racial. There were past complaints by the owner of teens loitering.......other race teens aside from African-American not bothered by police? I can't tell from the quote.

After DJ provided a link for the article:

DJ, I read the article in the link and then did a search and looked at other sites. None of them mention the race or ethnicity of the rest of the teammates nor do they single out the 3 arrested as being black. They do mention that there seems to be a pattern forming of police abuse towards young people, no race or ethnicity specified.

The coach goes on to say: "One of the police officers actually told me, if he had a big enough caravan, he would take all of us downtown."

Like I said previously, I'm aware (I think most of us here are) that there are a lot of race prejudice arrests going on but this one doesn't fit the bill. This is a case of abuse of power, even if the owner of the business had filed complaints of loitering before.

Note: This post will seem weird but Spider-Aziz edited his post and this post was in response to the initial post.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That wasn't the offense they were arrested for, they were asked to leave the area because the property owner didn't want them there and they refused even arguing with the cop. Sounds like they were given plenty of time to move along and they didn't.

If this cop didn't have an ego problem and was truly concerned about loitering then why not let the teens go once their coach clearified the situation and pleaded with him?

Instead the cop threatens to arrest the coach.

That doesn't sound like a case of unruly teenagers but a cop who was on a power trip and didn't want to admit he made a mistake.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This article has nothing to do with racism.

Racial profiling is hard to prove.

Basically you need a mind reading device to prove a cop was racially profiling at some point.

However, if you look "Stop and Frisk" statistics, it's clear the NYPD stop/search/arrest blacks and Latinos at a much higher rate than they do whites. Chances are race did play a factor in the arrest of these three teens.

 

[Warhammer]

Actually, to all who says that the article had no racial undertones, if you find the original article and watch the local news segment interviewing the three teens and members of the school board, race is brought up. Just letting y'all know. DJ wasn't making s*** up.

Word to your mother.

 

[Tropico]

Actually, to all who says that the article had no racial undertones, if you find the original article and watch the local news segment interviewing the three teens and members of the school board, race is brought up. Just letting y'all know. DJ wasn't making s*** up.

Word to your mother.

Link? 'Cause the video I watched was of an interview with the coach and race wasn't a factor there.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Just like MessiahDecoy said it's almost impossible to prove it was racial profiling, but myself and a few others believe that race was a factor. Others don't. It's just a matter of opinion depending on how you view the story, I'm sure all of us agree that the cop was being a tool and abusing his power.

I've said it before and I will say it again, I believe the vast majority of police do their job well and you hardly ever hear about the good ones. But I believe in pointing out the bad ones to bring attention to their misconduct in the hope that we as a society can rise above the people trying to bring us down

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Racial profiling is hard to prove.

Basically you need a mind reading device to prove a cop was racially profiling at some point.

However, if you look "Stop and Frisk" statistics, it's clear the NYPD stop/search/arrest blacks and Latinos at a much higher rate than they do whites. Chances are race did play a factor in the arrest of these three teens.

I am Black Vulcan and i approve this message!
this happens in alot more place than just New York when i 1st got to town(Las Vegas) and didnt have a car i had to walk to the nearest Grocery Store.As i am walking a cop car with the lights on pull up next to me on the curb . it's about 7pm . Dude gets out with " where are you headed!" i am like i am walking... to the store! he then tells me we have laws against loitering! "I am like who's loitering i am walking.. to the store!"( and mind you i am "card carrying knows all the different forms of Kryptonite nerd member") dude tells me to give him my license and to wait in front of the car while he runs my info( since i am a card carrying member ) he doesnt find anything.gives me back my license and asks do i have any weapons on me! i had like a keychain swiss army knife that the dude confiscates and tell me i can come to the courthouse and get it(yeah right!) dude then tells me again not to loiter! ( i just shook my head!)

proving that these guys and i were profiled is like decoy said " you would need to be Charles Xavier and read people' minds.i think these dudes at that stop after having stated what they were doing and having committed no crime " didnt show the correct respect that was due him " as a police officer and it escalated to this.

 

[chamber-music]

The charges have been dropped

The district attorney says she decided to dismiss the charges in the "interest of justice."

Sanity prevailed!

One of the Teens Daequon Carelock said "I didn’t really think it was supposed to go this far, I thought he should have just said all right kids, I’m gonna give yall a warning” .

 

[NickNitro]

How about in the "interest of common sense" and then fire the officers who arrested them.