TIH Sequel changes?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So when the Hulk, in Ang’s movie, chucked a missel at that helicopter he was only trying to what.........scare them.

The missile wasnt armed so it wouldnt have exploded, it just would have hit the helicopter and done some damage, but they werent that high off the ground.

Or when he jumped on the helicopter crashing it to the ground or pounded on the tank with the gun barrel he was just saying hello?

Both of those were armoured, and the people inside them at the time were protected, when he was hitting those vehicle's he was hitting them in armoured places to scare them away nothing else. With the helicopter he could have easily hit the pilot through the glass, but he didnt, he hit the armoured part to try and get them to stop.

Suppose when he tossed that huge manhole cover thing at Ross he was just playing frisbee? Please. This thread is about things you’d like to see in TIH 2 not how wonderful Ang’s movie was. N't.

He didnt throw it at Ross, he threw it at the observation window, he couldnt see Ross, Ross was looking at The Hulk through a camera, so he couldnt know Ross or anyone was in there.

 

[dcHulk]

The missile wasnt armed so it wouldnt have exploded, it just would have hit the helicopter and done some damage, but they werent that high off the ground.

I'm going to use the same argument that EP has made regarding the super soldier serum of Blonsky: the Hulk wouldn't have known if it would explode or not. He still threw the missle.

He didnt throw it at Ross, he threw it at the observation window, he couldnt see Ross, Ross was looking at The Hulk through a camera, so he couldnt know Ross or anyone was in there.

Again, see the point above. Whether or not the Hulk knew people were behind the window, people could have died, as a result of collateral damage. I'm sorry, but all of these arguments are a HUGE stretch to try to prove a point. They just amount to excuses. Some of the things the Hulk did in "Hulk" was just as vicious as the Hulk in TIH.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hulk is an engine of destruction what do you people expect, but he isn't a murderer.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Jamon I can not believe you are trying to defend those things. That's just lame.

 

[Nivek]

Hulk is an engine of destruction what do you people expect, but he isn't a murderer.

Exactly. But a lot of people can't wrap their brains around that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm going to use the same argument that EP has made regarding the super soldier serum of Blonsky: the Hulk wouldn't have known if it would explode or not. He still threw the missle.

The Ang Hulk had a lot more Banner in him than the TIH Hulk did, so its possible he did know it wouldnt explode. Not to mention he didnt throw it with much force so again it probably wouldnt have exploded even if it was armed. He gave them a chance to get out of the way also by feingting to throw it before he actually did.

Again, see the point above. Whether or not the Hulk knew people were behind the window, people could have died, as a result of collateral damage. I'm sorry, but all of these arguments are a HUGE stretch to try to prove a point. They just amount to excuses. Some of the things the Hulk did in "Hulk" was just as vicious as the Hulk in TIH.

I felt it was more a warning than anything else, he wasnt actually trying to kill people like the Hulk in TIH did, he did try and actively kill Blonsky, twice.

Jamon I can not believe you are trying to defend those things. That's just lame.

I'm pointing out facts, the one moment I would give you is when he threw the tank, but even then he didnt have the intention to kill anyone. He actively tried to kill people in TIH, big difference there. And if me defending it is lame, you trying to defend TIH by pointing these things is lame also.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk is an engine of destruction what do you people expect, but he isn't a murderer.

He was in TIH, blonsky would have died if it wasnt for the syrum.

 

[dcHulk]

I'm pointing out facts, the one moment I would give you is when he threw the tank, but even then he didnt have the intention to kill anyone. He actively tried to kill people in TIH, big difference there. And if me defending it is lame, you trying to defend TIH by pointing these things is lame also.

These "facts" you point to are not facts, just assumptions you are making. And this is the crux of the overall argument. That is, these assumptions about the "intentions" of Ang's Hulk is an attempt to justify some of his actions relative to the actions of the Hulk in TIH. Defending a character is not lame, but basing an argument/opinion on assumptions is lame.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

These "facts" you point to are not facts, just assumptions you are making. And this is the crux of the overall argument. That is, these assumptions about the "intentions" of Ang's Hulk is an attempt to justify some of his actions relative to the actions of the Hulk in TIH. Defending a character is not lame, but basing an argument/opinion on assumptions is lame.

The helicopter ones were assumptions, the one's about the observation deck werent. Plenty of people here have based arguments on assumptions, you included, so we are all lame then.

 

[Sarg92]

Now either Jamon or El Payaso said that Hulk in Ang's film wouldn't attack if you didn't attack him. So if you left him alone then he would do nothing to you.

Well what about when Hulk came outta the ground in San Francisco and then he picked up that chunk of concrete and was about to throw it at the helicopter but then he saw Betty was inside it so he didn't throw the concrete at the helicopter. So this shows that if Betty wasn't inside the helicopter then Hulk would have attacked it for no reason. He wanted to harm the people inside the helicopter.

 

[dcHulk]

The helicopter ones were assumptions, the one's about the observation deck werent. Plenty of people here have based arguments on assumptions, you included, so we are all lame then.

Sorry, I don't recall making assumptions with this argument. I'm not trying to say that the Hulk didn't kill in TIH. All I'm saying is that, realistically, people will get killed in the wake of a rampaging monster, ie collateral damage. And I'm not making excuses for his killing, I'm just not calling it murder. With regards to Ang's Hulk, you are still assuming that he didn't know that Ross was behind the pane of glass. Go back and watch that scene. Before the Hulk tossed the "frisbee", he looked right into the camera that was watching him. Whether or not the Hulk knew people were watching, he still threw it and it would have obliterated anybody in its way. Why would Ross yell "Incoming" if that would not be the case?

By the way, I'm not calling you or anybody else lame. You and I and everybody else like to state opinions, which is great that we can do so in such a forum, with regards to our favorite characters. The development of arguments is what may become "lame". : )

 

[Gamma Goliath]

He was in TIH, blonsky would have died if it wasn't for the syrum.

He wasn't a murderer, but you gotta admit blonsky had it coming, Ross and his men ruthlessly chased a BEAST(what happens when you corner a dangerous animal ?) who had wronged no one. Blonsky attacked hulk first, hulk was just getting even, and most of the other soldiers didn't die in the movie, if you look closely they all narrowly escape(except for the ones on the helicopter, but hulk was defending himself and Betty.). Even in the comics(remember WWH:Incredble hulk 110 ) it was made 100% clear that hulk can't really intentionally kill, but that's the comics.

 

[Cracker Jack]

The helicopter ones were assumptions, the one's about the observation deck werent. Plenty of people here have based arguments on assumptions, you included, so we are all lame then.

No one is lame but stating as a fact, something that is clearly not is.

How does this sound "The Hulk in TIH didn't see the tree behind Blonsky or else he wouldn't have kicked him in that direction. Also when he threw that thing at the heliocopter he thought it was remote control." And he wasn't trying to kill Abomy with that chain. He was trying to get a kink out of his neck."

Sounds silly.

I'm not buying this one Jamon.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Now either Jamon or El Payaso said that Hulk in Ang's film wouldn't attack if you didn't attack him. So if you left him alone then he would do nothing to you.

Well what about when Hulk came outta the ground in San Francisco and then he picked up that chunk of concrete and was about to throw it at the helicopter but then he saw Betty was inside it so he didn't throw the concrete at the helicopter. So this shows that if Betty wasn't inside the helicopter then Hulk would have attacked it for no reason. He wanted to harm the people inside the helicopter.

Well, they had just tried to kill him by taking him out of the atmosphere after he saved a bridge load of people, not to mention the helicopters attacked him before so he naturally assumed they would try and attack him again, especially when the attack choppers armed their missile's.

Sorry, I don't recall making assumptions with this argument. I'm not trying to say that the Hulk didn't kill in TIH. All I'm saying is that, realistically, people will get killed in the wake of a rampaging monster, ie collateral damage. And I'm not making excuses for his killing, I'm just not calling it murder. With regards to Ang's Hulk, you are still assuming that he didn't know that Ross was behind the pane of glass. Go back and watch that scene. Before the Hulk tossed the "frisbee", he looked right into the camera that was watching him. Whether or not the Hulk knew people were watching, he still threw it and it would have obliterated anybody in its way. Why would Ross yell "Incoming" if that would not be the case?

The camera could have been fed to any part of the building though, it could have been fed to the room Talbot was in thousands of feet below ground, he still didnt know people were in there. Ross yelled incoming because he saw Hulk throwing something in his direction ON THE CAMERA.

By the way, I'm not calling you or anybody else lame. You and I and everybody else like to state opinions, which is great that we can do so in such a forum, with regards to our favorite characters. The development of arguments is what may become "lame". : )

I consider some people's argument in regards to TIH lame, but I dont call it that as they are simply defending a movie they like, nothing wrong or lame with that IMO.

He wasn't a murderer, but you gotta admit blonsky had it coming, Ross and his men ruthlessly chased a BEAST(what happens when you corner a dangerous animal ?) who had wronged no one. Blonsky attacked hulk first, hulk was just getting even, and most of the other soldiers didn't die in the movie, if you look closely they all narrowly escape(except for the ones on the helicopter, but hulk was defending himself and Betty.). Even in the comics(remember WWH:Incredble hulk 110 ) it was made 100% clear that hulk can't really intentionally kill, but that's the comics.

Hulk had killed people in the past, so he had wronged people, Blonsky deserved a lesson, not death, so no, I didnt think he had it coming.

No one is lame but stating as a fact, something that is clearly not is.

How does this sound "The Hulk in TIH didn't see the tree behind Blonsky or else he wouldn't have kicked him in that direction. Also when he threw that thing at the heliocopter he thought it was remote control." And he wasn't trying to kill Abomy with that chain. He was trying to get a kink out of his neck."

Sounds silly.

I'm not buying this one Jamon.

Well IMO these do sound silly, as we know from he evidence the movie gives that this isnt true. From what we are shown in Ang's movie, I think its fair to assume that he didnt try to kill anyone, but in TIH he clearly did.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't think it was implied that he was trying to kill blonsky, I don't think hulk was thinking "kill" when he kicked blonsky.

 

[Kirmit]

If people are going to use the blonsky kick as an example of why TIH is a killer then we should be able to use the scene in Hulk when hulk throws Talbott around like a rag doll at the house as an example of why Ang's hulk is a killer.

 

[dcHulk]

If people are going to use the blonsky kick as an example of why TIH is a killer then we should be able to use the scene in Hulk when hulk throws Talbott around like a rag doll at the house as an example of why Ang's hulk is a killer.

*raises hand*

dcHulk: I know, I know.

Kirmit: Yes, dcHulk...

dcHulk: Because the Hulk didn't throw him hard enough!

 

[Cracker Jack]

I don't think it was implied that he was trying to kill blonsky, I don't think hulk was thinking "kill" when he kicked blonsky.

I agree 100%. In all cases I thnk he was saying, "Leave me alone." t:

If people are going to use the blonsky kick as an example of why TIH is a killer then we should be able to use the scene in Hulk when hulk throws Talbott around like a rag doll at the house as an example of why Ang's hulk is a killer.

Good call Kirmy

 

[Kirmit]

Another point in question is how you define a killer, remember the dog fight in 'Hulk', Hulk killed the dogs, infact in a rather savage manner, ripping them in half.

 

[dcHulk]

Another point in question is how you define a killer, remember the dog fight in 'Hulk', Hulk killed the dogs, infact in a rather savage manner, ripping them in half.

Another good point. I'm surprised PETA didn't jump on that one.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think it was implied that he was trying to kill blonsky, I don't think hulk was thinking "kill" when he kicked blonsky.

The kick was so ferocious Betty and the soldiers behind her jumped, not to mention when he was trying to hit Blonsky with the metal pieces, if they had connected it would have ripped Blonsky in half.

If people are going to use the blonsky kick as an example of why TIH is a killer then we should be able to use the scene in Hulk when hulk throws Talbott around like a rag doll at the house as an example of why Ang's hulk is a killer.

There is a bid difference between throwing someone a few feet and kicking them with the force Hulk kicked Blonsky. The way talbot was thrown had no wear near the power or velocity the kick did.

Another point in question is how you define a killer, remember the dog fight in 'Hulk', Hulk killed the dogs, infact in a rather savage manner, ripping them in half.

The difference is the dogs were mindless animals that could only be stopped by killing them, thats a big difference, humans can be stopped or incapacitated enough to stop, the dogs couldnt so they had to be killed.

 

[Kirmit]

There is a bid difference between throwing someone a few feet and kicking them with the force Hulk kicked Blonsky. The way talbot was thrown had no wear near the power or velocity the kick did.



The difference is the dogs were mindless animals that could only be stopped by killing them, thats a big difference, humans can be stopped or incapacitated enough to stop, the dogs couldnt so they had to be killed.

The power is not the matter at hand, talbott was still thrown in a way that he could've been killed, therefore does that not make Ang's Hulk a killer? Especially when you consider Hulk had already roughed Talbott up and he was just laying on the floor, Hulk went out of his way to throw talbott.

Abomination couldn't be reasoned with, infact he would be considered worse since he knew what he was doing, he had full intent, whereas the dogs were only doing as they were trained. Both were attacking hulk, Norton Hulk wanted to kill Abomb, Ang Hulk did kill the dogs therefore they should be considered just as much killers as one another.

 

[Cracker Jack]

There is a bid difference between throwing someone a few feet and kicking them with the force Hulk kicked Blonsky. The way talbot was thrown had no wear near the power or velocity the kick did. .

No but geting thrown threw a wall and then geting the Hulks foot in your back and pushed threw a railing into the street and then geting picked up and thrown like a rage doll is kind of, I don't know..........................what would you call it..................................Excessive!

It's the intent Jamon. And clearly tossing around Talbot like that he was trying to A) Help him find his cell Phone, B) Let him know that there's a blue light special at K-Mart or C) trying to kill him.

The difference is the dogs were mindless animals that could only be stopped by killing them, thats a big difference, humans can be stopped or incapacitated enough to stop, the dogs couldnt so they had to be killed.

Blonsky was no longer human at that point and was killing people. Where's the difference?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No but geting thrown threw a wall and then geting the Hulks foot in your back and pushed threw a railing into the street and then geting picked up and thrown like a rage doll is kind of, I don't know..........................what would you call it..................................Excessive!

It's the intent Jamon. And clearly tossing around Talbot like that he was trying to A) Help him find his cell Phone, B) Let him know that there's a blue light special at K-Mart or C) trying to kill him.

Actually, the couch, with Talbot on it went through the window, not the wall, then Hulk smashed the wall, there was no intent in trying to kill him, just teach him a lesson and incapacitate the soldiers, when Talbot hit the one soldier, neither of them flew off in any direction very far at all, Blonsky was flung god knows how far and would have gone further if not for the tree.

Blonsky was no longer human at that point and was killing people. Where's the difference?

I'm talking the university scene, Blonsky wasnt killing people and wouldnt have survived without the serum, which hulk didnt know he had taken.

Even in the end fight though, Hulk incapacitated him without killing him, but only Betty stopped Hulk killing him.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The power is not the matter at hand, talbott was still thrown in a way that he could've been killed, therefore does that not make Ang's Hulk a killer? Especially when you consider Hulk had already roughed Talbott up and he was just laying on the floor, Hulk went out of his way to throw talbott.

But Talbot couldnt have been killed, neither was the other soldier, because he wasnt thrown with enough force, Hulk just wanted to incapacitate them.

Abomination couldn't be reasoned with, infact he would be considered worse since he knew what he was doing, he had full intent, whereas the dogs were only doing as they were trained. Both were attacking hulk, Norton Hulk wanted to kill Abomb, Ang Hulk did kill the dogs therefore they should be considered just as much killers as one another.

See my response to CJ, Abom was incapacitated and Hulk still tried to kill him, so in a way he was reasoned with, he was beaten into submission. This wouldnt happen with the dogs as they are mindless, and cant be reasoned with, big difference there.