TIH to Hulk:Ambigious/Reboot?Sequel?Or Requel?

[Doc Ock]

It was definitely a reboot IMO.

 

[some guy]

Well you really don't have to ignore it like I said.I see it as though he stood there long enough to establish himself and then came back willing to work with Ross on a cure using the SS serum.However it backfires giving the Hulk a new look and strength level.Morphing Hulk once again as we have seen so many times before.Then returning back to where he was loosely established before.It really wasn't that hard for them to find him it almost seemed as though they were scouring South America for him.

Personally, I would place the TIH opening right after the fight with Banner Sr. in the first film. They find Bruce floating in the water, bring him in and then do that experiment on him. He busts out and that's when he goes to South America.

Anyway, to me TIH is an example of an unnecesarry reboot. Apart from the origin, there's little that contradicts the previous film, and even if they wanted to forget the business with Bruce's dad, all they had to do was to stop referring to it. It wouldn't have hurt the movie if they simply went ahead and approached it as a sequel.

 

[Hmarrs]

It was definitely a reboot IMO.

Well since they said it's what you want it to be...If that's what you want it to be then I guess that's what it is for you.

 

[Hmarrs]

Here somthing very interesting...Although I am more then fine with allowing it be whatever people want it to be(Rebbot,Sequel,Requel) like ...Marvel Avi and Letteirer said here is somthing I found that has had me thinking>>>>>>

Comics to movie:
HULK3

Director Louis Leterrier says he would “love to do” Hulk 3 and has been practically begging fans during TV interviews to “make this a franchise”. “I’ll do another Hulk sequel any day of the week. I love the character, I love the TV show. I love that he’s an anti-hero.”
Edward Norton had a serious falling out with Marvel during production over his script rewrite, but says “The whole thing was to envision it in multiple parts. We left a lot out on purpose. The Incredible Hulk is definitely intended as chapter one.”
Can Norton’s relationship with Marvel be repaired in time for him to return as Banner? We’ll have to wait and see.

So who is the Hulk going to face down next? Letterier let slip recently that Samuel Sterns, played by Tim Blake Nelson in the movie, is being set-up to become the villain known as… The Leader.
In the comics, Sterns is transporting gamma-irradiated waste when it explodes, transforming him into a green skinned, super intelligent criminal, complete with protruding brain. When he’s not trying to study the Hulk, he’s bent on world domination and has an army of super strong, virtually invulnerable plastic ‘Humanoids’ to help him. He also creates android duplicates of people, including, when it suits him, the President.
So he’s not the easiest character to adapt to the big screen…
Depending on the timing though, you may see Ed Norton and the Hulk somewhere else first -
Marvel is keen to have Norton reprise the role in The Avengers, which already has a release date of July 2011. Leterrier says he wants to direct that too, but then, so does Iron Man helmer Jon Favreau…
Leterrier has stated if he was put in charge of The Avengers, he’d pit the Hulk against Iron Man because, “after being chased for so many years, he’d lose it”.
Hulk as bad guy? Could be interesting.

Why did he say another Hulk Sequel and why did he call it Hulk 3????????????????????????

 

[dcHulk]

Here somthing very interesting...Although I am more then fine with allowing it be whatever people want it to be(Rebbot,Sequel,Requel) like ...Marvel Avi and Letteirer said here is somthing I found that has had me thinking>>>>>>

Edward Norton had a serious falling out with Marvel during production over his script rewrite, but says “The whole thing was to envision it in multiple parts. We left a lot out on purpose. The Incredible Hulk is definitely intended as chapter one.”

Why did he say another Hulk Sequel and why did he call it Hulk 3????????????????????????

Okay, but why did Norton say that TIH is intended as Chapter 1? I see TIH as a reboot. If you have to go to great ends to rationalize a movie as a sequel, then it probably was made to stand more on its own. Sure, you can rationalize TIH as a sequel based on what you have said, but there are too many inconsistencies and changes for me to consider it one.

 

[Hmarrs]

Okay, but why did Norton say that TIH is intended as Chapter 1? I see TIH as a reboot. If you have to go to great ends to rationalize a movie as a sequel, then it probably was made to stand more on its own. Sure, you can rationalize TIH as a sequel based on what you have said, but there are too many inconsistencies and changes for me to consider it one.

Ok dc but you got to admit they are diffently playing both sides of the fence on this one.You could go either way too many inconsistancies to be a Sequel but too many connections to be a Reboot.They sure are saying two things here..(Of Course think about it!!!)This must have been what the Beef was about between Norton and Marvel.He wanted a clean slate and they wanted it left Ambigous that's why they cut out key scenes that made that distinction.Must be a Requel.
A Requel is both Re-boot and a Sequel.
A sort of James bond stand alone or connection based on the viewer.

 

[dcHulk]

Ok dc but you got to admit they are diffently playing both sides of the fence on this one.You could go either way too many inconsistancies to be a Sequel but too many connections to be a Reboot.They sure are saying two things here..(Of Course think about it!!!)This must have been what the Beef was about between Norton and Marvel.He wanted a clean slate and they wanted it left Ambigous that's why they cut out key scenes that made that distinction.Must be a Requel.
A Requel is both Re-boot and a Sequel.
A sort of James bond stand alone or connection based on the viewer.

I think the majority of the scenes they cut in TIH had to deal with character development. A lot has been said about the 2 dimensionality of Ross and the disposable character of Samson. These were fleshed out in cut scenes, which is a major disappointment. I think Norton's beef had to deal with these kinds of issues. As for the "requel", could be...but I choose it to be a completely different story separate from the other.

 

[Obi-Ron]

That's why we need a director's cut!

 

[dcHulk]

That's why we need a director's cut!

AGREED!!! With the alternate opening included.

 

[co2]

AGREED!!! With the alternate opening included.

There is a website out of Canada called your Geek News, where a funny couple reviews movies.

http://www.yourgeeknews.com/

Well, in his review of TIH DVD, Matt said he had created a version of the film where he incorporated all of the deleted scenes back into the film. I ended up winning the contest they ran for a free copy of the DVD, and Matt included in the package a disc with his extended version of the film. I have to say, it was pretty cool. It made for a good home viewing experience, but I don't think it would have worked well in the theater. I understand that they were trying to shake the stigma that they felt Ang's Hulk had left on the character, so they definintely wanted a "streamlined for action" version.

 

[Hmarrs]

I think the majority of the scenes they cut in TIH had to deal with character development. A lot has been said about the 2 dimensionality of Ross and the disposable character of Samson. These were fleshed out in cut scenes, which is a major disappointment. I think Norton's beef had to deal with these kinds of issues. As for the "requel", could be...but I choose it to be a completely different story separate from the other.

Yes dc but I bet those scenes take away the Ambiguity and completly dissect from being a Sequel or any thought of it being and sets it apart as a Reboot.Just the diffrences in opinion between Norton vs Marvel,Avi,and Letteirer show a complete a stark contrast between different views on the Film.
Marvel is saying it's what you want it to be
Letteirer now calling it a Sequel
Norton saying it's a fresh Start Chapter One
Avi saying it's what you want it to be.

This must have been the controversy between Norton and Marvel where they all obviously wanted the Hulk to go in different directions where in the end we got all three.It was to be a Sequel until Norton signed on.It is stated that he re-wrote the script giving it a new backstory and so now most of this backstory was cut a backstory that would have made it it's own entity and so Marvel wasn't having that.Why?It would seem to leave the possibility of this movie tying into the previous one if the veiwer wanted to view it as such.Hence"It's what you want it to be".

 

[dcHulk]

There is a website out of Canada called your Geek News, where a funny couple reviews movies.

http://www.yourgeeknews.com/

Well, in his review of TIH DVD, Matt said he had created a version of the film where he incorporated all of the deleted scenes back into the film. I ended up winning the contest they ran for a free copy of the DVD, and Matt included in the package a disc with his extended version of the film. I have to say, it was pretty cool. It made for a good home viewing experience, but I don't think it would have worked well in the theater. I understand that they were trying to shake the stigma that they felt Ang's Hulk had left on the character, so they definintely wanted a "streamlined for action" version.

Cool. And I agree that they wanted to distance themselves from a perceived slow-paced film. The desire for this is quite evident as they projected this onto the actors. I mean, someone (or everyone) was literally running in nearly every scene.

 

[Hmarrs]

Cool. And I agree that they wanted to distance themselves from a perceived slow-paced film. The desire for this is quite evident as they projected this onto the actors. I mean, someone (or everyone) was literally running in nearly every scene.

Yeah but that didn't do anything for me.A good film is a good film regardless of the pace.To me it was just a fast paced bad movie or a bad movie at a face pace.Also Hulk was a bad movie at a slow pace.
I personally was let down in both film.Some bright spots but that's all.

 

[dcHulk]

Yeah but that didn't do anything for me.A good film is a good film regardless of the pace.To me it was just a fast paced bad movie or a bad movie at a face pace.Also Hulk was a bad movie at a slow pace.
I personally was let down in both film.Some bright spots but that's all.

Wow, I don't consider either one a bad movie. Both were quite good, IMO, according to their purpose. Although I enjoyed TIH more.

 

[Doc Ock]

Wow, I don't consider either one a bad movie. Both were quite good, IMO, according to their purpose. Although I enjoyed TIH more.

Agreed to everything said. Hulk films roolz!

 

[co2]

Agreed to everything said. Hulk films roolz!

Though I will refrain from using a phrase like "Hulk films roolz!" I agree with his sentiment too.
They all may have had their critics, but if even you throw in the TV Pilot, Hulk has had some very different incarnations on film....but all have been pretty darn good.

 

[Hmarrs]

Wow, I don't consider either one a bad movie. Both were quite good, IMO, according to their purpose. Although I enjoyed TIH more.

Well they..to me anyway,both felt incomplete.

 

[Maximillian]

(with leaping included)

There were leaping in TIH, just not as far or high as in Hulk. Leterrier didn't want the Hulk to seem weightless, and he does weigh... a lot. At least the TIH jumps were higher than Lou Ferrigno's. I think Marvel Studios stays true to the comics where it makes sense.

the skin tone and body mass (not the same as his height) from the Ang Lee version

That tone was too bright. The Hulk didn't blend in too well in the environment. With that military green tone, he seemed to be a more real character.

I don't think they tried too hard to distance it from the first film. It was refreshing to see Banner in a new location, Brazil. Also, the arctic scene. Even though it was cut.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I can't consider it a sequel because the differences are too distinct. No nanomeds, no ordeal with Dad, no Atheon. Ross had a completely different personality, and it all tied into the super-soldier program. It's clearly not a continuation of the same story. It would be like trying to convince yourself that "Batman Begins" is a prequel to Burton's movies.

 

[david icke]

I can't consider it a sequel because the differences are too distinct. No nanomeds, no ordeal with Dad, no Atheon. Ross had a completely different personality, and it all tied into the super-soldier program. It's clearly not a continuation of the same story. It would be like trying to convince yourself that "Batman Begins" is a prequel to Burton's movies.

See if you imagined that Axis chemicals scene took place during the events of 'Begins', let's say, on Batman's first night on the town after the Falcone bust, you could just about do that. You just have to imagine that Batman89 is the continuation, but has some events that happened simultaneously with the events of Batman Begins, but were not shown.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And how do you fuse Joe Chill & Jack Napier? How do you forget that in one movie Gordon created the Bat-Signal & in the other Batman did? Or that Begins had Gordon trusting Batman all along? How do you superimpose Vicki with Rachel? Not to mention the Joker's origin, the Batmobile, the cave, the different gadgets-you'd have to ignore at least half of each movie in order to link them. More importantly, why would you want to do all that? Why tax your brain instead of seeing the movie for what it is?

 

[david icke]

And how do you fuse Joe Chill & Jack Napier? How do you forget that in one movie Gordon created the Bat-Signal & in the other Batman did? Or that Begins had Gordon trusting Batman all along? How do you superimpose Vicki with Rachel? Not to mention the Joker's origin, the Batmobile, the cave, the different gadgets-you'd have to ignore at least half of each movie in order to link them. More importantly, why would you want to do all that? Why tax your brain instead of seeing the movie for what it is?

ok, chill/napier is a big one, i'll get to that once ive had a think...

Gordon says, 'He gave us this signal..', this could mean he gave Gordon the idea from the docks moment.

After ski-mask Bruce talks to Gordon , you think of the Axis chemicals as their next meeting , as i said, have it take place right after the scene at the docks. You basically have to think of it in the second movie as a scene that took place in BB's time frame, but we did not see it then, the beginning of Batman89 taking place simultaniously with some of BB.

Rachel is freaked out by Bruce's new occupation and leaves town for a while. Bruce doesn't like to talk about it.

as for Chill/Napier...Bruce was still hallucinating bats out the side of his eyes when he left the theatre, he did not see that Chill had an accomplice that night, during Batman 89 these repressed images come forward when he sees Napier in the flesh.

Ok Chris, I tried. I never tried to link them before, but wondered if it could be done mentally somehow.
I wasn't trying to have a laugh or anything, well, yeah, but i also wanted to see if it could be done, as a lot of elements do lend themselves to linking up. But that Chill/Napier discrepancy , boy, I forgot about that one, but...if we can get past the ret-con in Spider-man 3, maybe we can push it a bit further for this explanation eh?

I think it's easier to link the Hulks though, i will say that. I thought hmarrs had some good ideas on that.

 

[GhostPoet]

I thought the last Hulk film was fantastic.
And to me...it SEEMS that Marvel may have planned to introduce an intelligent Hulk into the next film...what with them showing the creation of The Leader and showing Banner being able to control the Hulk transformation.

It would be a smart move...the Hulk isn't generally accepted by audiences...but having him Intelligent and in speaking roles would significantly incease his appeal to non-fans.

 

[Obi-Ron]

That tone was too bright. The Hulk didn't blend in too well in the environment.

Note: radioactive monsters are rarely employed as ninjas.

 

[co2]

It would be a smart move...the Hulk isn't generally accepted by audiences...

Really?!

Thousands of comic books, 3 cartoon series, one long runnning TV show, and two feature films seem to say differently. Hulk done right, taps something in people. Look at the mileage the TV show got out of a non-speaking Hulk.

I think I see what you were trying to say though. Hulk is really a very complex character and there is a lot of story to be told. The smart Hulk might be a chance to introduce something audiences haven't seen. If he is in another movie, that would be a way to take it to new territory.