Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland

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To quote xwolverine2, it just looks like they're just standing behind at matte painting. The lighting looks completely off, too.

But maybe that was Burton's intent. He's heavily influenced by German expressionist films like Metropolis and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.
It's his style and has been for a quite a while. I don't know why more people don't realize this.
 
Alice in Wonderland AU Review

Allow your fears to be alleviated – those concerned about Tim Burton's increasingly indulgent direction can ease back into their seats; Alice in Wonderland does not fall to the same pretension of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It's not a vanity project or a hollow reboot. Alice in Wonderland is a lovingly filmed and meticulously crafted interpretation of Lewis Carroll's treasured tale, rife with fantasy, coated in gothic iconography and presented by a superb cast who nail their characters' portraits utterly.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1072512p1.html
4 out of 5 Stars | 8/10
 
it makes me feel great inside that it seems like the consenus on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, after 5 years since its release, is a very mixed bag.

long live gene wilder.
 
A question to all european moviegoeers.
Has Alice In Wonderland been pulled from your cinemas. I just checked my local cinema listings and AIW has indeed been removed from all screens ( 2d , 3d and IMAX).

As far as i could see the advertising has been pulled from my cinema so i assume it won't show here either.:(

I can understand them taking a united stance against Disney's decision but at the end of the day everyone looses out when they boycot Alice in Wonderland. That been said, i've read that there are a number of theaters (who aren't part of the major chains) that have decided to still show the film. Places like Cinemec in Ede which is said to boast screens with the best sound and picture in the country.
 
i disagree. with a boyscout like this they will send the studio a message. to not f.... with them. so if people complain that they couldnt watch the movie because Disney was a smartass i think this could make a difference.

if this was a movie that i waited for years i would be angry. but at the studio.


edit: i just noticed that in one theater Alice wont play.
 
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There's no question that Disney is in the wrong here but the cinemas are going to feel it in the pocket too when they don't show the movie. So (at the moment) there are no real winners with this boycot. Unless the studio come to their senses and push back the release of the dvd. Surely that can't be a big problem?:huh:
 
what could the theaters do ? they couldnt be quiet because then Disney would get a bigger ego and they would even care less.
 
Seems one of the reasons why Disney rushed the AIW dvd release is because of the world cup in June .

http://www.deadline.com/2010/02/uk-exhibitors-end-boycott-of-disneys-alice/#more-26472
UK Exhibitors End Boycott Of Disney's 'Alice'
By TIM ADLER | Category

The UK's biggest movie theatre chain Odeon has now ended its standoff with the Walt Disney Co. It joined exhibitors Vue and Cineworld to show Alice In Wonderland as scheduled. What a win for Bob Iger and what a sea-change for filmgoers. It’ll end up like Korea where a movie plays for a few weeks in cinemas and then, snap your fingers, and all formats are available at a variety of prices. Disney decided to stare down exhibitors both here in the UK and in the U.S. by imposing a 12-week theatrical window instead of the standard lag between a film appearing in cinemas and then going to DVD of 17 weeks. It all kicked off when Disney CEO Bob Iger told investors during an earnings call earlier this month: “It‘s really important for us to maintain a very healthy business on the exhibition side, and 3D is definitely contributing to that, and a very healthy business on the home video side, which we think is actually in the best interest of the theater owners. And so, mindful of what‘s going on on the home video side, we feel that it's time, on a case-by-case basis, movie-by-movie, to really take a look at how we're windowing the home video product into the marketplace.” Disney distribution president Bob Chapek echoed his boss on the need for exceptions like Tim Burton's 3D Alice In Wonderland to accomodate a shortened time frame on a case-by-case basis. Disney argues that most films earn 97% of what they’re going to make theatrically after 8 weeks. That gap between the film disappearing from cinemas and its DVD release is where pirates slip in. What it all boils down to is that Disney thinks it can make more money from DVDs while Alice is still fresh in people’s minds.

The next day UK exhibitors Vue and Odeon took down marketing materials for Alice from their foyers, stopped playing the trailer, and refused to book tickets. Cineworld, perhaps mindful of its share price, didn’t go so far: it just deleted Alice from its website. Then, over the past couple of weeks, Vue and Cineworld both agreed on terms, leaving Odeon on its own and in control of 25% of UK cinemas. The situation reminds me of one of those war movies where the brave British Tommy goes over the top to face the enemy, expecting his chums to follow, only to find himself stranded in No Man’s Land. Odeon probably was happy to hold over Avatar, the big 3D film of the moment, until Paramount releases How To Train Your Dragon in 3D on March 31st. Warner Bros debuts Clash of the Titans two days later on April 2. Odeon also pulled Alice from its Irish and Italian cinemas -- countries where Disney is also imposing a 12-week window.

But exhibitors across Europe also are unhappy about the whole windows issue. Four Dutch exhibitors – Jogchems, Minerva, Pathe and Wolff – have said they’re not going to play Alice either. Together, those four represent around 85% of the Dutch market. However, European exhibitors are constrained from showing a united front because of European anti-trust issues

Disney will release Alice on DVD before the World Cup soccer competition begins on June 11th, which will glue British fans to their TV screens – at least until the quarter finals which is when we Brits normally get knocked out. If Alice makes more money on DVD or VOD than it would have done in those final weeks of cinema release, then the experiment will have been judged a success.


Disney has downplayed talk in the British press that this is a test case for the way the studio releases all future films. It points out that The Princess and the Frog is playing with a traditional 17-week window. “This isn’t the new normal,” Disney told me. However, the feeling among executives I’ve talked to is that this has been a game-changer. Distributors and exhibitors had been talking about breaking the 3-month window for films released on fewer than 50 prints. “Only a mighty studio like Disney can challenge the exhibitors in this way. Exhibitors can ill-afford to boycott Disney,” one distributor told me before Odeon caved.
 
Here is a positive and encouraging review from The Hollywood Reporter that I read this morning.

"Bottom Line: Truly, madly wonderful.
Not that there was any doubt that, when it came to restaging the 1865 Lewis Carroll classic for a 21st century sensibility, Tim Burton would be the man for the job.But even the filmmaker's trademark winsomely outlandish style doesn't prepare you for the thoroughly enjoyable spectacle that is his "Alice in Wonderland." A fantastical romp that proves every bit as transporting as that movie about the blue people of Pandora, his "Alice" is more than just a gorgeous 3D sight to behold. Armed with a smartly reshaped but still reverential script by Linda Woolverton ("Beauty and the Beast," "The Lion King"), Burton has delivered a subversively witty, brilliantly cast, whimsically appointed dazzler that also manages to hit all the emotionally satisfying marks. Disney won't have to consume any little cakes in glass boxes in order for the resulting worldwide boxoffice to reach colossal heights. That's a given for this PG-rated (blame it on that smoking caterpillar) release, which also should emerge as an early, cross-category Oscar contender."
 
This looks great,I wasn't originally planning on seeing this movie but I will now. I don't think this movie should be in 3d,it's the kind of movie that doesn't need it to be better.
 
it makes me feel great inside that it seems like the consenus on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, after 5 years since its release, is a very mixed bag.

long live gene wilder.

Long live Roald Dahl.

Not to get into the merits of the 1971 version vs the 2005 version but Dahl himself despised the 1971 version. Other than Gene Wilder, the film lacked everything that made the book great.
 
like the new one was anymore "faithful" to the book due to the awful 'daddy' subplot? Or how Wonka wasn't a short dude with a goatee?

Here's an example: Harrison Ford didn't like Blade Runner and is indifferent towards Star Wars. I still like him and those movies so it doesn't matter what he thinks of them.
 
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Some solid early reviews coming through. I like all the clips I've seen too. Somoeone needs to watch it in 3D & report back so I know whether this 3D is worth it. Otherwise will just watch at a local theater. Now that it's getting close I'm looking forward to it a lot more.
 
like the new one was anymore "faithful" to the book due to the awful 'daddy' subplot? Or how Wonka wasn't a short dude with a goatee?

Here's an example: Harrison Ford didn't like Blade Runner and is indifferent towards Star Wars. I still like him and those movies so it doesn't matter what he thinks of them.

Actually, the newer version was much more in spirit to the original book. The 2005 might have added a 'daddy' subplot to Wonka but so did the 1971 version by making Charlie fatherless. While the 1971 version might have got Wonka right, the 2005 version got Charlie and his family much more right.
 
Some solid early reviews coming through. I like all the clips I've seen too. Somoeone needs to watch it in 3D & report back so I know whether this 3D is worth it. Otherwise will just watch at a local theater. Now that it's getting close I'm looking forward to it a lot more.

The 3D trailer I saw in front of Avatar looked pretty good. Planning to see it in 3D next weekend, so I'll report back with a review. :up:
 
Great, thanks!!

Got to say I didn't really like the 3D in the pre-Avatar trailer although the rest of it looked really good. Look forward to your review!
 
The 3D I saw in the preview looked fine - not Avatar-cool, but still it looks like a fun movie and the early reviews are definitely encouraging.
 
I've always been interested in the premise of a modern day, properly-budgeted Alice in Wonderland film. I watched the animated version loads of times as a kid & loved it. Tim Burton was born for this!

Didn't really follow the production at all though so got a big shock when I saw the amazing cast list a few months ago! Was pretty stoked but lost some of my anticipation at some point & only recently got it back after seeing the awesome stuff released recently. It's exactly the kind of thing I want to see from this film! Hoping this is is one of Burton's all-time best.
 
Actually, the newer version was much more in spirit to the original book. The 2005 might have added a 'daddy' subplot to Wonka but so did the 1971 version by making Charlie fatherless. While the 1971 version might have got Wonka right, the 2005 version got Charlie and his family much more right.


Listen, I've read the book too and I love it. The original on its merit - as a film - just had better pacing and a better sense of awe. The newer one is little bit faithful (in bits) but I think the pacing was off and once they got to the factory it was dull. Surprisingly dull.

I'm not saying 'Charlie' is a disaster but I thought it was a dissapointment but it just felt like it went through the motions. i don't care if it's not faithful or if Daul could like it if it's alive. just give me a good movie, make sure things resonate with me, and I'll go my way.

It's like me and The Shining; the Shining wasn't that faithful to the book but it's still a damn good movie. That Sci-Fi Channel version was suppose to be more faithful but it was crap.
 
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Listen, I've read the book too and I love it. The original on its merit - as a film - just had better pacing and a better sense of awe. The newer one is little bit faithful (in bits) but I think the pacing was off and once they got to the factory it was dull. Surprisingly dull.

I'm not saying 'Charlie' is a disaster but I thought it was a dissapointment but it just felt like it went through the motions. i don't care if it's not faithful or if Daul could like it if it's alive. just give me a good movie, make sure things resonate with me, and I'll go my way.

It's like me and The Shining; the Shining was that faithful to the book but it's still a damn good movie. That Sci-Fi Channel version was suppose to be more faithful but it was crap.

Agreed on all. I love the original with Wilder but didn't care for the remake. Which was surprising because I thought I would love it since I'm a huge Burton and Depp fan.

What you said about The Shining was spot on. That made for TV version was horrible. The Shining is the perfect example for me where I heavily disagreed with the creator's(King)opinion on an adaptation.
 
it's one of those things where i can see what Darkknight 88 is saying, and he's right that movies should stray too much from the book. Things will get cut out no matter what, and that's why it's called an adaptation.

anyway, Willy Wonka is one of the rare cases when the movie version works on its own very well. Same thing with James Bond; the movies were not that faithful to the source material. but it doesn't mean that the movie version of Goldfinger was a bad movie; it's a great movie but a poor adaption if that makes sense.

Even with Casino Royale, they can't make it purely faithful to the novel because of the mythos the previous movies made.
 
I have no real problems with changes in adaptations as long as they get the spirit, the intent, the themes across.
 
I was in the book store today and saw somehting that had images from the film and characters and i was impressed . I actually really like how this film looks . At first I was thrown off by seeing Depp and it reminding me of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory . However the clips and reviews show promise and this will turn out better than alot of people are expecting.

I thought Burton's take on Charlie and the chocolate factory was visually great and there were several things I liked about the film (like the oopa loompas) but It just lacked the heart or charm of the original I guess you could say. Gene Wilder made you feel sympathetic and you wanted to see a turn around from being a loner , Depp
was too weird and it was just best to get away from him.
 
Does anybody know what that song is during the tick tock tv spot. That little theme is stuck in my head and I love it
 
Just heard it on the news . Alice In Wonderland will play in dutch theaters after all. I assume that Disney negotiated the same settlement that they reached with other cinema chains as well.

I'm hoping to see the new Tron trailer too. Disney was very early with their Alice In Wonderland promotions ( we get to see trailers very close to the release date. Typically 1.5-1 month before the movie opens) here in holland so i'm really hoping for the tron trailer.
 
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