Tim Burton's Dark Shadows - Part 2

[DACrowe]

I didn't say that. I meant I don't think they throw down $20-40 dollars just to drool over one on the big screen if it's in a movie that doesn't appeal to them. If that were the case the female to male audience ratio would be much higher for many action movies.

 

[flickchick85]

Well the reviews from the premiere are underwhelming. That said, I've seen a couple mentions that it's not "Alice in Wonderland bad," just middle-of-the-road Burton, with an entertaining first half and a hot damn mess of a 3rd act. I accidentally read one particular spoiler that sounds random as hell.

I'll probably still pay to see these visuals on the big screen, though. I saw Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince on IMAX, and while I did like that the film, I was mostly glad I saw it in that format just because of Bruno Delbonnel's photography. It's more than worth sitting through a mediocre film for, imo. The cast helps, too.

 

[DACrowe]

Well, I've worried that the tonal shifts everyone talks about means this is another Mars Attacks! Except it'd be even worse if it was because Burton could have so easily done Dark Shadows well if he did a straight adaptation more akin to the tone of his Sweeney Todd and Sleepy Hollow. Oh well.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

Everytime Burton releases a new movie, people bring this up, but I think now is truer than ever. He really needs another Big Fish. Something out of his comfort zone with actors he has never worked before. He really needs to shake things up a bit.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Also, some IMDB cast interviews: http://www.imdb.com/list/9nXlLnUrXQY/#play-all

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Well the only one he made after Johnny Depp became an A-lister with Jack Sparrow was Sweeney Todd. Yes, it wasn't 9-figure hit, but it also was an R-rated musical horror-tragedy. Not a PG-13 comedy about vampires without characters bursting into song.

Johnny Depp doesn't have many $100 millions hits outside of Pirates and already established properties. This movie has the same audience as Sweeney Todd, the Burton base.

I didn't say that. I meant I don't think they throw down $20-40 dollars just to drool over one on the big screen if it's in a movie that doesn't appeal to them. If that were the case the female to male audience ratio would be much higher for many action movies.

Actually I was talking to some girls at work a month or so ago and they mentioned how they're boyfriends/husbands wanted to see The Avengers. The secret was though, none of the girls were being dragged to the theater, they all were like, watch these buff guys for a couple hours, a-okay with me. Girls will pay money to see something they know if bad, just for a hot guy, how else do you explain the success of Channing Tatum movies, the boy bands of the late '90s/early '00s, Twilight, etc....

 

[DACrowe]

Yes they will. But did they make up the majority of the audience for Tatum's GI Joe? No. They were there though for Dear John and The Vow. Many tween girls love Taylor Lautner in Twilight. But when he tries to make an action movie with Abduction? They abandoned him faster than Robert Pattinson in a movie that exploits 9/11. Zack Efron still has that audience, but only when he does films like The Lucky One.

I just don't think if "mom gets to choose" or if a bunch of girlfriends are going to the movie, The Avengers is going to be the first pick.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Yes they will. But did they make up the majority of the audience for Tatum's GI Joe? No. They were there though for Dear John and The Vow. Many tween girls love Taylor Lautner in Twilight. But when he tries to make an action movie with Abduction? They abandoned him faster than Robert Pattinson in a movie that exploits 9/11. Zack Efron still has that audience, but only when he does films like The Lucky One.

I just don't think if "mom gets to choose" or if a bunch of girlfriends are going to the movie, The Avengers is going to be the first pick.

There first pick isn't going to be Dark Shadows either. Maybe the Five Year Engagement or take a rain check for a week and go to What to Expect.

 

[dark_b]

http://www.imdb.com/list/9nXlLnUrXQY/#play-all

2 years? how,when,.....

 

[Majik1387]

Pfieffer still looks the best.

 

[rayc1971]

Tell me the last time a Tim Burton movie that wasn't based off an already popular property (because Dark Shadows isn't a popular property) crossed $100 million domestic.

its tracking at a 40 mill opening and 100 mill domestic

 

[terry78]

I still remember when that Empire shot of Hit Girl came out. Everybody on here was like, "we're all going to hell."

 

[Matt Mortem]

Everytime Burton releases a new movie, people bring this up, but I think now is truer than ever. He really needs another Big Fish. Something out of his comfort zone with actors he has never worked before. He really needs to shake things up a bit.

I agree. Big Fish is my favorite Burton film, if not one of my all time favorite films period. It's becoming a bit cliché that nearly every time Burton does a film, it's with Johnny Depp. Guillermo Del Toro's Ron Perlman obsession isn't even that bad.

 

[Project862006]

playlist did'nt like it...at all lol
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...erent-disappointment-from-tim-burton-20120508

 

[Secret Fawful]

Moretz looks like a young Pfieffer. She's going to be a gorgeous lady someday.

 

[DACrowe]

I read the reviews and take back my prediction of it being able to reach $130 million domestic. The reviews are shredding it and while critics and audiences don't always seem eye-to-eye the consensus seems to be it's not very funny and feels like a Burton-Depp rehash. I still expect it to cross $40 million OW, just based on Depp and Burton and the subject matter, but it probably won't play amazingly after that.

The reviews are kind of confirming what I've feared from the trailer, they took some very entertaining and potentially cinematic (if very dated) source material and instead of reinventing it for 2012, they just turned it into a campy spoof. Oh well.

 

[TheVileOne]

I love Edward Scissorhands and Sleepy Hollow. I thought Alice in Wonderland was pretty dull.

I just can't see anything from Dark Shadows that would make me think I would like it. I like Depp and Burton, but the source material just seems way too esoteric even for me. Something like Addams Family was different because when I was a kid I loved watching reruns of shows like Addams Family and The Munsters.

I think something like Sleepy Hollow was perfect for someone of Burton's sensibilities since it sort of married an old fashioned period gothic horror story while also being this sort of almost steampunk suspense thriller. I really dug that. This movie doesn't really have anything like that.

 

[Gianakin_]

A shame that they're putting this movie down. The trailer made me very interested, as I thought it'd have the heart and humor of Scissorhands, which would mean (to me), that it'd be a return to form for Burton. Oh, well... WB didn't help by advertising it like a more comedic movie than it really is.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

EMPIRE: 3/5

Verdict: A word of warning: this is not the knockabout comedy the trailer suggests. Instead, it cleaves closer to what you expect from Burton: darkness, quirk and Johnny Depp on great form. A step up, then, from Alice In Wonderland and Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, but not tip-top Tim.

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=135926

TOTAL FILM: 3/5

Verdict: One of the strangest mainstream releases of recent times, Dark Shadows’ demented gothic melodrama/fish-out-of-water comedy/creature feature feels like you’ve slipped into a Burton fever-dream.

http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/dark-shadows

 

[Drizzle]

The fact that the reviews aren't great only tips the scale in favor of The Avengers even more.

 

[DACrowe]

I love Edward Scissorhands and Sleepy Hollow. I thought Alice in Wonderland was pretty dull.

I just can't see anything from Dark Shadows that would make me think I would like it. I like Depp and Burton, but the source material just seems way too esoteric even for me. Something like Addams Family was different because when I was a kid I loved watching reruns of shows like Addams Family and The Munsters.

I think something like Sleepy Hollow was perfect for someone of Burton's sensibilities since it sort of married an old fashioned period gothic horror story while also being this sort of almost steampunk suspense thriller. I really dug that. This movie doesn't really have anything like that.

I got into DS by watching reruns on Sci-Fi as a kid. The material is very dated and "esoteric," but it can be adopted for modern audiences. Something like a cross between his Sleepy Hollow and Interview with the Vampire, but Burton's film coming out this week honestly just looks like another form of The Addams Family or The Munsters. So if you like that kind of camp, I think the movie will deliver.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Burton really needs to go and make another Big Fish...

Go and find an interesting script/find some new crew members and tell Johnny Depp/Helena you want a trial separation. t:


Some footage from the premiere:

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[Call Me Darkman]

I saw it last night at an advanced screening. It's a decent film. Not nearly as comedic as the trailers will lead you to believe. Although the funny bits did have the audience laughing. The biggest flaw is the script. I've never read any of the novels that Seth Graham guy has written but here he did a very poor job. The script is very generic and by-the-numbers. I'm actually very nervous about the Beetlejuice sequel now. I think this dude is gonna screw it up. Burton should have never gotten rid of John August.

 

[DarkKnight88]

The fact that the reviews aren't great only tips the scale in favor of The Avengers even more.

Except it was never in competition with Avengers. Two films can be successful for different reasons you know.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Except it was never in competition with Avengers. Two films can be successful for different reasons you know.

Just look at dec 2009.
avatar , sherlock holes , alvin & chipmuks.

3 different movies. All performed well