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The INTERACTION between the X-MEN in the trilogy

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I was seeing some scenes of X3 these days, and saw the film with the commentaries today, and thought about the relationships between the x-men, I mean, the interaction that each one has had with the rest, in the three films. For example, I realized that Logan had interaction with all the x-men in X3, but haven't analyzed the relationships of the others, so I thought it would be nice to do it in this thread, and debate about it too.
 
I would have preferred more interaction between the characters.

X-Men: Storm has the least interaction with her fellow teammates. Cyclops and Jean do what stereotypical Cyclops and Jean do... Although they should have been more affectionate. Rogue and Wolverine interact fine (probably one of the best/natural relationships in the entire trilogy), Professor Xavier and Magneto interact perfectly... seriously, this is one instance in which the book writers should take note.

Storm definitely needs more interaction with somebody (anybody... do Jean and Storm even look at each other :huh:), and there needs to be more warmth between the X-Men as though they've been friends for years...

X2: Bobby, Pyro, Rogue, and Wolverine interact nicely. Cyclops and Jean do fine when they're on screen doing what stereotypical Cyclops and Jean do... Professor Xavier, Magneto, and Stryker are great. Storm's interaction improves... at least she's talking to people, but she still feels stilted. Nightcrawler interacts fine with Jean and Storm.

There are some nice moments at the museum and the mansion, and the characters don't seem as cold and distant as they did in X-Men, but there is still a lot of room for improvement...

The Last Stand: Beast is good. Jean, Magneto, Professor Xavier, and Wolverine are very good. Rogue is okay (more screentime would have definitely helped), Bobby and Kitty are fine... Wolverine and Storm are okay.

The problem with this movie is the number of characters and the fact that there just isn't enough screentime. For instance, Angel and the X-Men... there's barely a relationship there because there isn't enough time to develop one. Also, Jean Grey's plight should concern the entire team, but the characters who should be concerned either aren't there or they don't care.

My biggest complaint is with the leftover characters in the final battle. Beast, Kitty, and Colossus have almost zero interaction... and that's half the team! Until this point, they haven't had a scene together in which they even acknowledge each other's presence.
 
The thing to remember is that certain characters interact better than others. That’s the way they’ve always been written, so we shouldn’t expect that all of the X-Men are chatty, long time friends. That said, they could still use a lot of work.
 
I'll start with X3.

as I said, Logan had a scene or a little momment with ALL the team, something that I hate, specially seeing that the others had very little.

In the order of the film:

- Logan-Storm (after danger room session, the Alkali lake sence, the "be with us" one, etc, etc)
- Logan-Scott (while Scott is leaving)
- Logan-Beast (in their first meeting, when Logan arrives after seeing Jean in the forest, in the subterranean base and in the final battle, various times)
- Logan-Jean (the infirmary scene, etc, etc).
- Logan-Rogue (when she leaves the school to get the cure)
- Logan-Iceman (in the subterranean base, and final battle)
- Logan-Kitty (less than Bobby, but too in the sub. base and final battle, with the "Kitty!" quote)
- Logan-Colossus (both fastball special, although Peter didn't say anything in any of those moments).

It's really sad how the others interacted with the rest, comparing to Logan. :cmad:
 
True. It's like we follow Logan around as he interacts with everyone while most of the other characters never even speak to each other! Does Kitty even know who Jean is? Have Bobby and Jean ever spoken? Have Scott and Bobby ever spoken? Has Scott even spoken to Rogue? Has Kitty ever spoken to Beast? Do any of these characters care that their "beloved" Jean has gone crazy or that their friend/teacher/leader Cyclops is dead?

X3 really had horrible team dynamics.
 
yes, I can understand Kitty being introduced in X3, didn't interact with all, but about the others with Jean... it was a mistake of the script. Rogue and Bobby should have had a few words about Jean, or a conversation with the rest about what is happening to her. I've writeen a new scene, I have to translate it and will post it soon, probably in a new fanfiction thread I'll create, hehe.
 
The interactions weren't perfect throughout the trilogy. To some extent, that's understandable, as the movies cannot really condense 40 years of material into movie format without losing something in translation. And the focus on one character (Wolverine) through whose eyes we saw the world is also understandable in the more limited scope of the movies.

Bottom line is that all three movies needed some better scenes of interaction.
X2's scene of Mystique trying to seduce Wolverine is nice, yet unnecessary to the story. X3's shot of Colossus carrying a TV as he spoke to Bobby said nothing about his character at all; and Angel could have had another scene or two of interaction.
 
It's really sad how the others interacted with the rest, comparing to Logan. :cmad:
Yeah, he was the main character in the movies, so he interacted with everyone. What's new about it? :whatever:
The problem wasn't Logan interacting with everyone, the real problem was the lack of interaction among the other team members. The most interactive of the trilogy was X2, I think.
 
As a whole it was mishandled. That's one of the mistakes Transformers made with its film this year.

There are so many characters within the material that SOMEONE is going to be left out at some point. If a restart comes to fruition I feel they should include more dialogue between the characters themselves.

As for the Logan comment? Yes, he is a main character. But he shouldn't have been overshadowing everyone due to his popularity. The first film I can forgive since it was an introductory film to all of the characters. However, more and more exposure to Logan made the characters look lifeless and cardboard cutouts instead of actual characters.

Logan should not have been humiliating Scott or intimidating Scott nor should he have been overshadowing anyone. That's part of the problem I have with the trilogy as a whole. I don't mind Logan as a main character who is a supporting character. I have a problem with him being the main character and ignoring the other characters who are just as important as him.

Transformers is guilty of this too. You don't see any character development between the Autobots and the Decepticons. Granted it is a Michael Bay film and Michael Bay isn't known for character development, but it would've been nice to see more Autobots interaction and definitely more Decepticon interaction.
 
Definetly, the Logan issue is something that most of us are agreed.

But about the other, time ago I thought about Scott and Rogue. I would have loved to see them talking, at least a little momment. They were two of the main characters in the three films, but never spoke. :cmad: Really sad, and a little mistake from the writers.
 
I know!

It's like when Logan's in a scene, nobody talks to anyone but him.
 
don't talk more about Logan, hehe, for our health, hahaha.
 
See, at least with the first and second films, Wolverine, for all the focus they put on him, he still ultimately ended up just being "part" of the team. He was the guy to have your back. X3 just dumped everything on him, and positioned him to be THE leader, which is totally against character. The scene when they suit up to go to Alcatraz still infuriates me, not only because Wolverine would never force the students to join him and the X-Men on a mission, but because an actually scene was filmed illustrating that fact!! The alternate scene had Bobby and the others volunteering, and Wolverine telling them they couldn't come, at which point it's Bobby that makes the speech and convinces Wolverine to let them come. In his mind, he figures he can at least watch their backs, which is exactly the kind of character Wolverine is.

And this is something that's always pissed me off about the scenes that get cut from all the X-Men films. They add very little time to the film's runtime, but they offer a wealth of character development. Especially in the first film. Great conversations between Rogue and Storm, Scott and Xavier, and especially Jean and Xavier. The deleted scene with her meeting him after he tries to use Cerebro again to find Magneto NEEDED to be in the actual film. It illustrates the father-daughter relationship between them perfectly, and alludes to Jean's evolving powers, which becomes a major plot point in the subsequent films.

Honestly, the only thing worse than thinking about how a film could be better, is KNOWING that things were done that could have made it better.
 
That is true too. Thanks for posting here again, it's a nice thread.

Let's have Logan apart, and center in Scott.

Which x-man had a moment with him?
 
That is true too. Thanks for posting here again, it's a nice thread.

Let's have Logan apart, and center in Scott.

Which x-man had a moment with him?

Xavier and Jean are really the only two that interacted and talked to Scott. X1 started out nicely with Scott and Storm working together though, part of my favorite scenes from the first film.
 
See, at least with the first and second films, Wolverine, for all the focus they put on him, he still ultimately ended up just being "part" of the team. He was the guy to have your back. X3 just dumped everything on him, and positioned him to be THE leader, which is totally against character. The scene when they suit up to go to Alcatraz still infuriates me, not only because Wolverine would never force the students to join him and the X-Men on a mission, but because an actually scene was filmed illustrating that fact!! The alternate scene had Bobby and the others volunteering, and Wolverine telling them they couldn't come, at which point it's Bobby that makes the speech and convinces Wolverine to let them come. In his mind, he figures he can at least watch their backs, which is exactly the kind of character Wolverine is.

And this is something that's always pissed me off about the scenes that get cut from all the X-Men films. They add very little time to the film's runtime, but they offer a wealth of character development. Especially in the first film. Great conversations between Rogue and Storm, Scott and Xavier, and especially Jean and Xavier. The deleted scene with her meeting him after he tries to use Cerebro again to find Magneto NEEDED to be in the actual film. It illustrates the father-daughter relationship between them perfectly, and alludes to Jean's evolving powers, which becomes a major plot point in the subsequent films.

Honestly, the only thing worse than thinking about how a film could be better, is KNOWING that things were done that could have made it better.
I agree. Especially with the cure storyline in X3, I wish they would have kept in the Storm/Rogue interaction in X1. The scene with Xavier and Jean was really nice, but they couldn't add it in unless they also added in the deleted portion of her speech to the Senate, 'cause it alluded to the deleted portion where the Phoenix telekinetically snatched some documents out of the Senator's hand to display her powers. (In the original script, though, they had her catching a bottle can that some kids threw at her. I don't get why that was changed, then ultimately removed. It was a nice way to get her to use her powers in front of everybody: she was justified, but it would still scare the people around her.) It would have also been nice to have that brief look at Jean and Scott holding hands while teaching that auto class or whatever.

I also wish they would have kept the campfire scene with Bobby, Rogue, and Pyro in X2. It was only 20 seconds, but it was pretty powerful with Rogue and Pyro. Also, there was a line in the original script after Pyro blew up Bobby's front yard where Bobby yells at Pyro something like "You think that was funny? Let's go burn your house down!" and Pyro says "Too late". It's a great little insight into his past that I think would have been very useful, and it would've lasted only like 5 seconds. If time was an issue, they could have cut out Bobby staring out the window of the jet. :cwink:

As for X3, I think that Rogue taking the cure was the best way to go IF they do an X4. I do, however, wish they would have had Bobby giving the speech to Logan instead of vice-versa, or else have Storm give the speech if they didn't want one of the kids to. They hinted at Storm being the leader, but they did give too much control to Logan. As for the fight in Jean's house, they should have included the part where Storm zaps Logan; however, I'm glad they removed the psychic dialogue between Xavier and Jean. As great as Famke was for the most part, I thought she did a really bad job with that.

Primal Slayer said:
Xavier and Jean are really the only two that interacted and talked to Scott. X1 started out nicely with Scott and Storm working together though, part of my favorite scenes from the first film.
His interactions were fine in X1. He had several interactions with Jean and Logan, a touching scene at Xavier's bedside, and a little interaction with Storm at the final battle. He was gone for most of X2, but did have interactions with Xavier, Jean, and Logan. In X3, he interacted only with Logan and Jean. I guess his absence in X2 is okay, 'cause they had so many characters to develop and didn't really have time for him; but it would have been nice to see him in X3, since the Phoenix storyline WAS his and Jean's. :whatever: I guess Hugh is more marketable? Iunno, I always thought Marsden was hotter, and he acted very well - especially considering the fact that he couldn't use his eyes. Hugh's a good actor, too, but he does a lousy North American accent (kinda like Halle's African and Anna's southern). :oldrazz:

Am I rambling? :o
 

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