Superman Returns Time Warner says SR "performed strongly"...

[dar-El]

An option on Routh is Hollywood talk, as one of our mods once said. It simply means he can't get out of playing Superman even if he wanted to. And I've heard no rumors about the writers getting the boot. If Singer wants Dougherty and Harris to write this thing, then they're gonna write it.

They want a sequel to cost less for common sense reasons. More proft. Superman Returns will make WB a nice profit but not one as big as they'd hoped. With a smaller (although not much smaller) production cost they'll be able to attain more revenue.

As far as more action goes...duh. Even Singer knew there would need to be more action in the sequel. The second act is where everything goes to hell. The action has to be amped up for this film (and thank God Singer is involved, because it won't simply be mindless action).

My point is we should have had that in the first place. Not an artsy fartsy piece of garbage that manages to discredit the character and split the fans in 2!

 

[Maze]

Hiya maze!

Hyaa Upper_Krust

A theory that fits all the information.

Nope not all the information.

not this information:

If they were both paid the full amounts up from for doing nothing then I simply laugh at Warner Bros. t:

you can laugh, but that prove that they have no problems firing a guy who cost them a lot of money.

you're right.We're talking business,

So, The point still stand : they kept Singer because he is a talented filmmaker ,and because , even if the movie underperformed, he achieved to not only get good critics but to build a movie that please a lot more people than some wants to admit here, if one take a look at his its legs.. indicating that word of mouth is not as bad as some would want here ..indicating that the dvd sell will PROBABLY be good (and it's a market way more important than theater now ) And there will be probably an even larger public awaiting Sr2.
annd being not fools , they are going to try to get even more people with more actions .. and do the movie for less money ..

So are you saying that Superman Returns has made a profit based on the box office alone?

Not at all , that's a fact which has nothing to do with the fact that the movie is doing money with the merchandising , and with the strong possibility that the movie will do money with other medias.

 

[Maze]

My point is we should have had that in the first place. Not an artsy fartsy piece of garbage that manages to discredit the character and split the fans in 2!

Well "piece of garbage" , it's opinion ( and franckly between you and me i understand and i respect that you don't like it , but you could do the same for the movie .. piece of garbage is pushing it.. )

Secondly : it didn't discredit the character for everybody ..and nothing indicates that the majority who saw the movie didn't like it . quite the contrary ( reading forums ,talking with people outside , reading polls )

That said it's possible that it split the fans in 2 (not even sure about that, reading the different polls here. and don't tell me that some vote twice because i know that some hater do the same ..and being the most vocals they probably do it even more ).. so sadly that's the way it is..that said , if All movie were consensual Cronenberg or Lynch would not do any movies, and that would be a shame.

Hoping that the sequel will be more up to your taste.

 

[romeogbs19]

I can't believe we're still talking about this. There's going to be a sequel, Singer is directing; all we can do is have faith that he and his writers change certain elements to please the "haters" of SR.

I've said before SR didn't exactly do it for me -- but I need FAR worse before I'm going to feel like it's worth complaining that we're getting more Superman movies

Bottom line: Singer's direction ain't perfect, but I suspect we'll see much better given he has more time to plan this one out vs. the rushed state he was in for SR.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Well it did perform strongly, but that doesn't mean it made a profit. Budget has nothing really to do with what WB is trying to say.

 

[ultimatefan]

Hi uf!



Useless to you, because you can't handle the truth.



Quite possibly.

But all things being equal then, they must have LOST far more money than even I have discerned. Therefore your counter point that they are also making more is redundant.



Its possible I suppose, but if they spend AND make more money, then how am I so wide of the mark?



I would probably go along with that to an extent. But the point I have been making is that its not a success based on the box office, noreven after we facotor in the probable dvd sales. Therefore Warner are lying when they say its a success - simple as that.



Superman Returns is a pioneer in its field.



Just because its possible doesn't make it probably, or even financially viable.



Warner got burnt. They couldn't wait to shout MORE ACTION! MORE ACTION!



t:

The counterpoint is that is that the unspoken revenue is far more than the unspóken cost. In fact, Hollywood rarely actually loses money with a movie in this day and age with all the alternative sources of income, especially a tentpole that has even more options than other ones. Some movies just take so long to make money between all sources that it makes it a less attractive investment than other applications. Therefore, a movie that doesn´t make money in a relatively short period is considered a failure by investors, therefore not worth a sequel. Movies are more of a gamble than other investments, therefore investors try to minimize risk as much as possible, investing in a sequel for a movie that didn´t bring satisfying results the first time is a HUGE risk, one that no investors will take, especially for something that expensive. Simple as that.

 

[Dan33977]

Not an artsy fartsy piece of garbage

As opposed to what? A mindless, senseless, meaningless, Jerry Bruckheimer-produced, non-stop action piece of garbage? Why reduce Superman to just that? I don't understand some of you.

 

[ultimatefan]

Not to mention that Donner´s movie that the fans love so much was very "artsy-fartsy", especially compared to today´s blockbusters.

 

[dar-El]

As opposed to what? A mindless, senseless, meaningless, Jerry Bruckheimer-produced, non-stop action piece of garbage? Why reduce Superman to just that? I don't understand some of you.

Singers movies paid too much homage to the 50's tv sgow and the original film hence to me its artsy fartsy. The costume and overall desin belongs in the 50's not 2006.

 

[dar-El]

All i want is something new and stylish for todays audience to be reintroduced to a legend. Not something heavily copied and messed up. Smallville just bout works for todays audience with some occaisional reference to past material. Singer pretty much copied the old style and story cos he couldnt come up with someting better.

 

[romeogbs19]

Singers movies paid too much homage to the 50's tv sgow and the original film hence to me its artsy fartsy. The costume and overall desin belongs in the 50's not 2006.

Oh man, do you know what kind of warfare you may have started by saying that? It's an almost sacriligious statement

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

All i want is something new and stylish for todays audience to be reintroduced to a legend. Not something heavily copied and messed up. Smallville just bout works for todays audience with some occaisional reference to past material. Singer pretty much copied the old style and story cos he couldnt come up with someting better.

I thought SR was a great movie and a great way to bring Superman back, i cant wait for the sequel.

 

[Bad Superman]

Geez, we get it. . .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Geez, we get it. . .

Sorry, i shall never post my opinion again

 

[dar-El]

Hey we all have our opinions guys and gals and we should all respect them! Some of you may like SR while i personally do not. You can say why you like it while i can say why i dont. All you gotta do is show a little respect.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Exactly, i dont have a problem with people constantly saying they dont like SR, but whenever i say i do, certain people dont like it.

 

[green]

http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/archives/2006/11/how_superman_ma.html

 

[Pickle-El]

Dave Poland.....Funny how he overlooks merchandising, Halloween costumes, and DVD's/VHS.

 

[Bad Superman]

Hey we all have our opinions guys and gals and we should all respect them! Some of you may like SR while i personally do not. You can say why you like it while i can say why i dont. All you gotta do is show a little respect.

Hey, I agree. What gets on my nerves is when people repeat the same thing time after time and deviate from the thread's subject.

Many regulars no longer post here because of the constant battles, "worship words" or "hate words" towards SR. The thread's title is about how Time Warner says SR performed. Now the tread is back to how "good or bad" SR was.

I have a strong opinion regarding SR, but you don't see me write it on every post, that is, when I post here.

Sorry if I sound bitter, but if you stay long enough you'll see this situation and understand where I'm coming from.

It gets old really fast.

**Empties the remaining whiskey from a J.D. bottle, smashes it against the ground and flies away**

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Singers movies paid too much homage to the 50's tv sgow and the original film hence to me its artsy fartsy. The costume and overall desin belongs in the 50's not 2006.

I didn't see too much homage to the 50's show at all.

 

[green]

Dave Poland.....Funny how he overlooks merchandising, Halloween costumes, and DVD's/VHS.

He hated it, but atleast he can admit it made money.t:

 

[Maze]

Edit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hey, I agree. What gets on my nerves is when people repeat the same thing time after time and deviate from the thread's subject.

Many regulars no longer post here because of the constant battles, "worship words" or "hate words" towards SR. The thread's title is about how Time Warner says SR performed. Now the tread is back to how "good or bad" SR was.

I have a strong opinion regarding SR, but you don't see me write it on every post, that is, when I post here.

Sorry if I sound bitter, but if you stay long enough you'll see this situation and understand where I'm coming from.

It gets old really fast.

**Empties the remaining whiskey from a J.D. bottle, smashes it against the ground and flies away**

Well either put me on ignore or deal with, as long as people post that they dont like SR, i will keep posting that i like it ok.

 

[dark_b]

I didn't see too much homage to the 50's show at all.

there is more than you know. but if you are a really old guy and watched the episodes than you maybe now.

 

[Bad Superman]

Well either put me on ignore or deal with, as long as people post that they dont like SR, i will keep posting that i like it ok.

Thank you! We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.