To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN) - Part 2

[Isildur´s Heir]

The idea that God would create dinosaurs, then cause an extinction level event... then create humans after? Seems silly.

That's why I said Man must've existed at the same time as the dinosaur.

Explain one thing to me dude...

You say that dinosaurs must have coexisted with man since you can't imagine God causing an extinction level event to wipe them all just to replace them with another species (man); but you accept the idea that God created mankind, just to cause an extinction level event to wipe them all (the great flood), just to replace them with mankind once again.....how does that work?

In other words, it's unacceptable to kill giant lizards, but totally ok to kill human beings...

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Explain one thing to me dude...

You say that dinosaurs must have coexisted with man since you can't imagine God causing an extinction level event to wipe them all just to replace them with another species (man); but you accept the idea that God created mankind, just to cause an extinction level event to wipe them all (the great flood), just to replace them with mankind once again.....how does that work?

In other words, it's unacceptable to kill giant lizards, but totally ok to kill human beings...

Whoa, I was just in the process of typing a similar question. Great minds I guess

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That's why I said Man must've existed at the same time as the dinosaur.

No dude, dinosaurs and man did not coexist. Carbon dating puts dinosaurs well before man and that's an indisputable fact.

 

[Human Torch]

Explain one thing to me dude...

You say that dinosaurs must have coexisted with man since you can't imagine God causing an extinction level event to wipe them all just to replace them with another species (man); but you accept the idea that God created mankind, just to cause an extinction level event to wipe them all (the great flood), just to replace them with mankind once again.....how does that work?

In other words, it's unacceptable to kill giant lizards, but totally ok to kill human beings...

The Flood killed both Man and Beast alike,so it's not like He was leveling a punishment on one over the other.

Secondly,He saved both Man and Beast in the ark so that they would continue to exist.

You have to remember the level of depravity mankind was in in those days. It sickened God to the extent of wiping them out and starting over with Noah's family.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

The Flood killed both Man and Beast alike,so it's not like He was leveling a punishment on one over the other.

Secondly,He saved both Man and Beast in the ark so that they would continue to exist.

You have to remember the level of depravity mankind was in in those days. It sickened God to the extent of wiping them out and starting over with Noah's family.

There were dinosaurs in the ark now?

 

[Human Torch]

No dude, dinosaurs and man did not coexist. Carbon dating puts dinosaurs well before man and that's an indisputable fact.

No it is disputable. We actually have cave drawings that accurately depict dinosaurs.Something that mankind wasn't supposed to set eyes on for millions of years!

 

[Human Torch]

There were dinosaurs in the ark now?

Quite probably,yes. (I wasn't there,so I can't say for sure.)

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Quite probably,yes. (I wasn't there,so I can't say for sure.)

Then dinosaurs should be alive now if they were on that special boat.

 

[Human Torch]

Then dinosaurs should be alive now if they were on that special boat.

Well,we all know various species have gone extinct. The dinosaurs are no different. After the flood killed all the species across the globe,the remaining ones probably died off after a time.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Cave paintings prove nothing and there was no ark with all of the animals on it. That is not a literal story. It's is a mash up of stories from many cultures that experienced a great flood

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

You have to remember the level of depravity mankind was in in those days.

I guess we have tons of luck that the world has changed since those days, now we only have wars....terrorism.....famine....hunger.....greed...infectious disease..overpopulation.....aaahhhh, it's paradise.

/sarcasm

 

[Human Torch]

I guess we have tons of luck that the world has changed since those days, now we only have wars....terrorism.....famine....hunger.....greed...infectious disease..overpopulation.....aaahhhh, it's paradise.

/sarcasm

We seem to live a pretty charmed life being able to sit and debate on the internet without fear of barbarians at the front door.

 

[Greens]

Come on, Human Torch. Redeem yourself.

 

[Human Torch]

Cave paintings prove nothing and there was no ark with all of the animals on it. That is not a literal story. It's is a mash up of stories from many cultures that experienced a great flood

Genesis is a historical narrative. There's no two ways about that. In any case,it's still logical that the majority of dinosaurs were destroyed in the flood,since we know some (even now,still hotly debated) epic disaster befell them.

It also stands to reason that the flood would not have covered the Human remains as deeply as the dinosaurs,since mankind would likely have been intelligent enough to head for higher ground and make for boats and debris during the flood,which is why they might not have fossilized with the dinosaurs.

The dead of mankind likely deteriorated naturally and were devoured by animals after the flood. It stands to reason that the remaining dinosaurs couldn't have flourished long in a post flood world,since they basically survived on vegetation.

 

[Human Torch]

Come on, Human Torch. Redeem yourself.

Do I look like a 5 cent bottle?

 

[Greens]

Genesis is a historical narrative. There's no two ways about that.

There are two ways about that, and your way is wrong.

Believing in the Bible is fine, whatever floats your boat. Believing that literally everything in Genesis actually happened... you're crossing over into Scientology territory there, in that it is so blatantly ridiculous to almost everyone.

Look, it's this simple. Genesis was written two thousand years ago. Since then, we've made discoveries that invalidate it as a literal historical account. There's no two ways about THAT. Look at the information objectively, please. What you're doing is spinning SCIENCE into something that fits your narrative.

"We've discovered that the dinosaurs lived then and then and died because of this and that."
"But why would God do that? I'm gonna stick to my original beliefs and ignore these facts."

 

[Human Torch]

There are two ways about that, and your way is wrong.

Believing in the Bible is fine, whatever floats your boat. Believing that literally everything in Genesis actually happened... you're crossing over into Scientology territory there, in that it is so blatantly ridiculous to almost everyone.

Look, it's this simple. Genesis was written two thousand years ago. Since then, we've made discoveries that invalidate it as a literal historical account. There's no two ways about THAT. Look at the information objectively, please. What you're doing is spinning SCIENCE into something that fits your narrative.

"We've discovered that the dinosaurs lived then and then and died because of this and that."
"But why would God do that? I'm gonna stick to my original beliefs and ignore these facts."

So you basically want to ignore the rest of my post,which is a viable Bible based theory,simply because it doesn't line up with YOUR beliefs. Kinda like pot calling the kettle black,eh?

 

[Greens]

So you basically want to ignore the rest of my post,which is a viable Bible based theory,simply because it doesn't line up with YOUR beliefs. Kinda like pot calling the kettle black,eh?

It's not a viable theory because you would have to prove that the flood happened first, and even then it does not place dinosaurs at the scene.

 

[Human Torch]

It's not a viable theory because you would have to prove that the flood happened first, and even then it does not place dinosaurs at the scene.

There has been plenty of archaeologists that have given credence to a global flood. And frankly, a global flood would place the dinosaurs at the scene.

 

[Warhammer]

With the whole dinosaur thing, I don't take the whole seven days of creation literally. Dinosaurs existed but prior to mankind. Somewhere in those first couple of days, all of that happened.

 

[KevanG]

Basic geology disproves the whole mankind lived with dinosaurs theory. A flood, no matter the size, would not and could not make that kind of process happen where one group of bones from the same time period is millions of years older than the others but in the same place. It's basic science and literally been proven using fossil records, geologic strata and basic common sense. Where would that amount of water come from to cover the world? Where did it go? Why is there no ice that we've tested that goes back 40,000 years or more that has any indication of this?

Also, if there was only two of each animal, then how did they repopulate without inbreeding? The same question goes for Noah and his family. A viable gene pool for any type of reproduction has to be more than two members of the same species.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

There has been plenty of archaeologists that have given credence to a global flood.

What archaeologists?
And i mean unbiased ones...not that one group of Chinese and Turkish explorers that allegedly found Noah's Ark on to of Mt. Ararat.
Personally, i have a hard time believing that it was found by explores working with the Noah’s Ark Ministries International.
The coincidence of it to be found by the Noah's Ark "foundation" is staggering.
It has hoax written all over it.
Even Bob Cornuke of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute say:

This is not Noah’s Ark. This is a fake. It’s a fraud and it’s of the highest caliber according to what I can assess from the evidence and talking to eyewitnesses and people from Turkey.

So, again, which archaeologists?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

In the case of dinosaurs, from a Christian perspective I don't know why God created them and then killed them off. Just because my beliefs don't have a clear cut answer doesn't really prove anything. So I am not really sure why people are trying to argue about it. And again, since I am a person who believes in a high power, nothing is impossible to him. Things are impossible for us sure, but God isn't bound by our laws of science. So who really is to saw a flood never happen.

 

[moviedoors]

In the case of dinosaurs, from a Christian perspective I don't know why God created them and then killed them off. Just because my beliefs don't have a clear cut answer doesn't really prove anything. So I am not really sure why people are trying to argue about it. And again, since I am a person who believes in a high power, nothing is impossible to him. Things are impossible for us sure, by God isn't bound by our laws of science. So who really is to saw a flood never happen.

They're arguing about it because somebody is claiming that dinosaurs coexisted with humans within a few thousand years ago.

 

[Spock]

The likelihood of a God that can affect the fate of billions of individuals is quite illogical.