Isildur´s Heir
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Let start by, say whatever you want to me, i'm a big advocate of tough love (when it makes sense), so, i would be really hypocritical of me to say i couldn't handle it.
I'll do the same to you, unless you ask me not to.
So, don't force yourself in not saying something due to fear of offending me.
I'm not saying this to defend murders or rapists, that's not my point; all i'm saying is that human life is MUCH MUCH MUCH than it's actions.
You are focusing solely on what he/she did and putting aside that he/she is a person first and a murderer second.
God created the vile man and put him on this Earth.
Maybe it wasn't the right time for the vile man to be born, maybe he was born in the wrong place, maybe God should have help him overcome his problems, maybe God should have been present and give him a helping hand, maybe he didn't had the strength of mind to endure his problems, maybe....
Do you know and understand what love is?
In your mind, God is the creator but has no responsibilities. He basically creates us, throw us to Earth and expects us to live accordingly to his standards by osmosis.
For the 3rd time...do you know and understand what love is?
Like i said before, evil is not a natural thing, evil is a reaction to an external stimuli.
So, in your mind, God has no responsibilities in our fate, which is something we can not control.
That alone kills the idea of omniscience.
God know the past, present and future; knows what will happen to every person, know their fate, know if they will fall or not...and even so....punishes????!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!
WTF???
God doesn't ask nothing from you and doesn't creates rules of any kind.
You don't need to believe in God, God believes in you.
I never said you are a crappy filmmaker, i said exactly the opposite, that because you don't suck, that's the reason why you got a trip to Cannes and the internship, not because you believe in God.
God didn't gave you nothing, because if he did, he had to give to everyone else.
But what is God?
God is but a word, a name...the power of a name.
When one say "God, help me", he is basically asking himself for strength, not for a deity.
It's the same as when, during sex, someone moans "Oh God"; they are not thanking God for the pleasure, but rather giving a name to the pleasure that is "heavenly".
So, in that regard, yes...you did believed in God...because you believed in yourself.
That's how propaganda and indoctrination works...
Like i said, there are good things about religion, not everything is bad, there are good teaching and good philosophies.
And i'm sure you genuinely love him, but that came after indoctrinated, either by your parents or society, which in turn were indoctrinated by someone else and so on and so forth.
It's a vicious cycle...
The problem is not believing in the bible, the problem is not understanding you don't need it, you have inside all that you need, it's "imprinted" in your soul.
It's quite ironic that the bible say that we were created in God's imagine, but it seem that many people don't really understand what that actually means.
A question that no one has made me yet is, "if you say that the bible is propaganda and control, how can you say there are good things about it?"
But, once again, you fall into human pettiness of wanting someone to pay.
Don't forget the post i wrote about several insights from a NDE:
> Others judge us by our actions; God judges us by our motivations.
Murder, rape, stealing.....those are ACTIONS not MOTIVATIONS.
It's society indoctrination.
Think about this, society was made on top of Christianity.
Haven....Hell....God...bible...Jesus....all of that is common knowledge, is part of all our lives.
I'll do the same to you, unless you ask me not to.
So, don't force yourself in not saying something due to fear of offending me.
Once again you fall into human pettiness of wanting others to suffer because you see their actions as wrong.You believe in a God that does nothing and allows anything, but the biblical God leaves a lot to be desired? Okay your entitled to your opinions.
I'm not saying this to defend murders or rapists, that's not my point; all i'm saying is that human life is MUCH MUCH MUCH than it's actions.
You are focusing solely on what he/she did and putting aside that he/she is a person first and a murderer second.
Do you know and understand what love is?You made a point in point in another one of your posts that was odd. Something about a really vile man who had done awful things being brought to God. God goes up to the vile man crying and asking the vile man to forgive HIM. That statement alone proves what's wrong with your idea of God.
God created the vile man and put him on this Earth.
Maybe it wasn't the right time for the vile man to be born, maybe he was born in the wrong place, maybe God should have help him overcome his problems, maybe God should have been present and give him a helping hand, maybe he didn't had the strength of mind to endure his problems, maybe....
Do you know and understand what love is?
In your mind, God is the creator but has no responsibilities. He basically creates us, throw us to Earth and expects us to live accordingly to his standards by osmosis.
For the 3rd time...do you know and understand what love is?
Like i said before, evil is not a natural thing, evil is a reaction to an external stimuli.
So, in your mind, God has no responsibilities in our fate, which is something we can not control.
That alone kills the idea of omniscience.
God know the past, present and future; knows what will happen to every person, know their fate, know if they will fall or not...and even so....punishes????!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!
WTF???
God - rules - asks...those don't work in tandem.The God I know didn't create a bunch of rules just to make us all drones. The things he asks aren't unreasonable and have sound logic behind them.
God doesn't ask nothing from you and doesn't creates rules of any kind.
You don't need to believe in God, God believes in you.
It's ironic that you read my post, quoted it, and understood nothing.God seeing fit to bless people that are faith to him is a form of evil control and is dumb. Okay that's cool. By the way, I didn't bring up the Cannes film festival thing to brag or act superior. I only brought it up to use as an example of what I believed to be God's favor in my life. But sure I am a crappy filmmaker if that makes you feel better. Though I don't know how a crappy filmmaker could get an internship with a Hollywood film company, but whatever. Your logic is flawless there.
I never said you are a crappy filmmaker, i said exactly the opposite, that because you don't suck, that's the reason why you got a trip to Cannes and the internship, not because you believe in God.
God didn't gave you nothing, because if he did, he had to give to everyone else.
But what is God?
God is but a word, a name...the power of a name.
When one say "God, help me", he is basically asking himself for strength, not for a deity.
It's the same as when, during sex, someone moans "Oh God"; they are not thanking God for the pleasure, but rather giving a name to the pleasure that is "heavenly".
So, in that regard, yes...you did believed in God...because you believed in yourself.
Good for you, but you do know that, in the middle-ages, the fear of hell was a big method used by the church.And LOL at the last part. You know absolutely nothing. I don't serve God because I fear hell, I serve God because I genuinely love him and gets been good to me.
That's how propaganda and indoctrination works...
Like i said, there are good things about religion, not everything is bad, there are good teaching and good philosophies.
And i'm sure you genuinely love him, but that came after indoctrinated, either by your parents or society, which in turn were indoctrinated by someone else and so on and so forth.
It's a vicious cycle...
The problem is not believing in the bible, the problem is not understanding you don't need it, you have inside all that you need, it's "imprinted" in your soul.
It's quite ironic that the bible say that we were created in God's imagine, but it seem that many people don't really understand what that actually means.
A question that no one has made me yet is, "if you say that the bible is propaganda and control, how can you say there are good things about it?"
Please do it, now i'm curious.That statement is also stupid coming from who states that they believe in the after life. You keep saying Christianity is weird flawed. I would respond further to this last point but it would be really mean so I won't.
I never said such a thing, what i said was that God doesn't judge, no one asked me what happens to "evildoers.The God you mentioned should just accept a murder, rapist who doesn't repent or acknowledge the errors of his ways. In fact, your weird view of God should be begging the murder to forgive him. He should just be allowed into heaven just because love. Never mind the pain and misery that person brought on others right? That's why I find your reasoning as flawed as you think the Christian God is.
But, once again, you fall into human pettiness of wanting someone to pay.
Don't forget the post i wrote about several insights from a NDE:
> Others judge us by our actions; God judges us by our motivations.
Murder, rape, stealing.....those are ACTIONS not MOTIVATIONS.
It's not a direct force, no one will point a gun at you and make you believe.Christianity like any religion or belief is a choice. Nobody can really force you to believe anything. Nobodies forcing me to belief in God or just scare tactics or using cheap tricks to control me.
It's society indoctrination.
Think about this, society was made on top of Christianity.
Haven....Hell....God...bible...Jesus....all of that is common knowledge, is part of all our lives.