Tom Jane disses Ray Stevenson

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, great interview.

Keaton's always comes across as a pretty stand up guy with a great sense of humour.

I loved the " No! Is he serious? I've got to call him up on that, give him a hard time." part. t:

I'd love to see him reprise Beetlejuice at some point (but, as they say, only if they have a worthwhile script to shoot off)................

 

[andurilelessar]

Yeah a new Beetlejuice could be fun to watch.t:

 

[claydogg]

I geuss in the end he got punished!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26763581/
sentenced yesterday 1 year probation & 1,700 dollar fine.

the guy should have tried to work it out with the studio's
since the box office bomb "The Mist" wasn't worth leaving the punisher for as TJ himself stated at the scream awards last year
when showing a scene from the mist.

"This is the movie I left the punisher for"

Well at least we got un upgrade with Ray.

 

[SWAT]

Okay

 

[S. Grundy]

I geuss in the end he got punished!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26763581/
sentenced yesterday 1 year probation & 1,700 dollar fine.

the guy should have tried to work it out with the studio's
since the box office bomb "The Mist" wasn't worth leaving the punisher for as TJ himself stated at the scream awards last year
when showing a scene from the mist.

"This is the movie I left the punisher for"

Well at least we got un upgrade with Ray.

1. The Mist, is and will be a better movie than Punisher: War Zone, **** box office. People went to see Meet the Spartans for **** sake.

2. At the Scream awards he was drunk and talking out his ass. The Mist was done shooting before he decided to leave The Punisher sequel. If after 4 years or so of working my ass off, and I couldn't get the studio to see eye to eye on the script, I would have left the movie too. Plus the movie is going to be a disaster anyway.

 

[Microchip]

The Mist isn't that good of a movie. I'm not a huge Thomas Jane fan but I'll admit he was the best thing about the Mist. Other than that, it was a typical mail-it-in Stephen King 'Thriller'. Once I see Punisher War Zone I'll tell ya what's better

 

[S. Grundy]

No, The Mist is that good of a movie. It is in the vein of classic siege movies like Rio Bravo, Assault on Precinct 13, Night of the Living Dead, but that's the only thing that could be considered typical about it.

There's a deeper message in it than monsters killing people.

 

[ObakeTora]

I geuss in the end he got punished!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26763581/
sentenced yesterday 1 year probation & 1,700 dollar fine.

the guy should have tried to work it out with the studio's
since the box office bomb "The Mist" wasn't worth leaving the punisher for as TJ himself stated at the scream awards last year
when showing a scene from the mist.

"This is the movie I left the punisher for"

Well at least we got un upgrade with Ray.

Another thing I hated about that film was that the real Punisher wasnt an alcoholic. At least not the binge drinker Jane portrayed. Serves him right.

 

[S. Grundy]

Another thing I hated about that film was that the real Punisher wasnt an alcoholic. At least not the binge drinker Jane portrayed. Serves him right.

I've said this ad nauseum, Frank's drinking heavily in Year One, not to mention he's a bit suicidal too.

 

[Kable24]

I've said this ad nauseum, Frank's drinking heavily in Year One, not to mention he's a bit suicidal too.

Come on you know these die hard Punisher fans don't realize that before Garth Ennis, there were other Punisher stories.

 

[Microchip]

No, The Mist is that good of a movie. It is in the vein of classic siege movies like Rio Bravo, Assault on Precinct 13, Night of the Living Dead, but that's the only thing that could be considered typical about it.

There's a deeper message in it than monsters killing people.

It's not deep, they bludgen you with the blunt side of the message. If you like the 'Night of the Living Dead' type movies, where everyone gets stuck somewhere until they begin turning on each other, showing you that, *gasp* the real monster is inside us, then yeah, I guess I can see how you'd like this movie. It's nothing that hasn't been done a billion times before, at least a million by Romero.

 

[DACMAN]

1. The Mist, is and will be a better movie than Punisher: War Zone, **** box office. People went to see Meet the Spartans for **** sake.

2. At the Scream awards he was drunk and talking out his ass. The Mist was done shooting before he decided to leave The Punisher sequel. If after 4 years or so of working my ass off, and I couldn't get the studio to see eye to eye on the script, I would have left the movie too. Plus the movie is going to be a disaster anyway.

It's always cool to meet people from the future.

 

[marcvader]

I love coming over to these Punisher threads. There are two obvious camps. The "purist" Tom Jane lovers who know with all certainty that this movie is going to be utter crap and the Garth Ennis blood and gore hounds that think "this movie is gonna rock, man". It's a beautiful thing.

 

[ObakeTora]

I've said this ad nauseum, Frank's drinking heavily in Year One, not to mention he's a bit suicidal too.

this was the only panel where I saw him drink. maybe thats what really led Jane to the role, an excuse to drink and get paid~!!!!! In the panel he isnt drinking whiskey like soda pop as his character was portrayed inthe 04 travesty.

Come on you know these die hard Punisher fans don't realize that before Garth Ennis, there were other Punisher stories.

Wha? You mean there were other authors besides him and my favorite MATT FRACTION?????

 

[S. Grundy]

It's not deep, they bludgen you with the blunt side of the message. If you like the 'Night of the Living Dead' type movies, where everyone gets stuck somewhere until they begin turning on each other, showing you that, *gasp* the real monster is inside us, then yeah, I guess I can see how you'd like this movie. It's nothing that hasn't been done a billion times before, at least a million by Romero.

It's more about the loss of hope, than anything else.

I love coming over to these Punisher threads. There are two obvious camps. The "purist" Tom Jane lovers who know with all certainty that this movie is going to be utter crap and the Garth Ennis blood and gore hounds that think "this movie is gonna rock, man". It's a beautiful thing.

I'm not a Tom Jane purist per say, I do like the 2004 film. I like Ray Stevenson, I thought he was a good choice outside of Jane for the character. I know this movie will suck because of bad scripts and a bad director.

this was the only panel where I saw him drink. maybe thats what really led Jane to the role, an excuse to drink and get paid~!!!!! In the panel he isnt drinking whiskey like soda pop as his character was portrayed in the 04 travesty.

Regarding the drinking, anybody that went through what Frank did in the movie or comic, would be hitting the bottle pretty hard. He drank and he plotted, it's not like you saw Frank completely **** faced stumbling all over the place.

 

[jokerface89]

It's more about the loss of hope, than anything else.



I'm not a Tom Jane purist per say, I do like the 2004 film. I like Ray Stevenson, I thought he was a good choice outside of Jane for the character. I know this movie will suck because of bad scripts and a bad director.



Regarding the drinking, anybody that went through what Frank did in the movie or comic, would be hitting the bottle pretty hard. He drank and he plotted, it's not like you saw Frank completely **** faced stumbling all over the place.

I agree about the whole frank drinking non-stop thing.But it seems like your already making up your mind about the movie simply because of one first draft script that is no longer being used.

 

[S. Grundy]

The movie looks to still be pretty close to the Lexi draft by all the previews. The core of the story still remains right down to the pointless MacGuffin, Holloway and Marcum just threw in bits of dialouge from the comics and changed some action scenes, it's still the same ****ty story.

And I've said plenty of times I'm not a fan of Lexi Alexanders, I think she was the wrong choice for a director.

 

[jokerface89]

Perheps the writers kept the action scenes in but changed everything else expect for the cemtary part

 

[S. Grundy]

I doubt that.

I do hope they changed ending, it was just so anti-climatic. Say what you will about the flaming skull at the end of the last one, seeing Saint being dragged to his fiery end was way better than how they had Jigsaw go out.

Spoiler

Like I said it was anti-climatic, after a fighting with Frank he gets cut in the leg and bleeds to death, and they basically turned it into a gag.

That and the "Billy is dead...Call me Jigsaw" line are the two things they should have scrapped from the beginning.

 

[jokerface89]

I doubt that.

I do hope they changed ending, it was just so anti-climatic. Say what you will about the flaming skull at the end of the last one, seeing Saint being dragged to his fiery end was way better than how they had Jigsaw go out.

Spoiler

Like I said it was anti-climatic, after a fighting with Frank he gets cut in the leg and bleeds to death, and they basically turned it into a gag.

That and the "Billy is dead...Call me Jigsaw" line are the two things they should have scrapped from the beginning.

Yeah that was a crappy way to end it.As for the story they might not have shown it in the trailers since to the causal audience you not going to get them intrested in the movie by just showing frank talking to other people.

 

[KT7777]

1. The Mist, is and will be a better movie than Punisher: War Zone, **** box office. People went to see Meet the Spartans for **** sake.

2. At the Scream awards he was drunk and talking out his ass. The Mist was done shooting before he decided to leave The Punisher sequel. If after 4 years or so of working my ass off, and I couldn't get the studio to see eye to eye on the script, I would have left the movie too. Plus the movie is going to be a disaster anyway.

Why compare a horror film to a eye candy action film?It's comparing Coverfield to HardBoild or KingKong to Shoot Em'Up.I think it's time to move on,Craig is 007,Bale is The Dark Knight and Stevenson is the Punisher

 

[Devil]

I know this movie will suck because of bad scripts and a bad director.

C'mon, this is stupid. Real.

1) Script. All of us have read the first draft and i can say to you this is better of the Hensleigh's script (if Jane remain for the sequel, now we have that Hensleigh's orrible versione of Punisher II). Yes, there are some stupid thing but nothing of orrible than the Hensleigh's stupid version. And it seems like more comic-booky. Marcum & Holloway do rewrite of Alexander's script and we don't know what they do. What i can say is wait and see the movie on December for judging. Now it's kinda stupid...

2) Director. Lexi Alexander is a good director. Yes. Better than Hensleigh, of course. I'm sorry, on the 2004 i like the Punisher movie but i say "yes, is good but it's not the Punisher i want". It's like a spaghetti western homage from a guy who has read (see the making of on dvd) only the Ennis' "Welcome back, Frank" run and stop. This 2008 version is more comic-booky: yes, this is inspired more on the Ennis' Max Series but i see also things from the 80's & 90's comic-books with Microchip, the Budiansky and Jigsaw characters. It's a good remix of both Punisher version (the Max and the MU). But, repeat, i'm not judgin a movie before i see. It's stupid. And...Before i see "Iron Man" i don't trust Jon Favreau. Now i can say it's a good director.

...Finally (sorry for the not perfect english), this topics reminds me of "The Dark Knight" battle versus the other movies and the DKfans. Looks like the lovers of 2004 version and Jane versione don't love this and stop.

It's ironic 'cuz the trailers of this are better 10,000 times of the 2004 version.

 

[SWAT]

But, Iron Man looked good from the get-go. This did't. Too many problems.
If Jane had stayed onboard we would have gotten Walter Hill to direct it. Not a director who directed an overlong, but pretty decent movie. Who seems to got as much sense about the The Punisher comics as Joel Schumacher had about Batman.
Jane wanted to make a crime drama-esque... a movie that does the character justice. Dark, not coloured like Batman & Robin. When I think Punisher I don't think colour palets, I think darkness- Like you don't know whats in the shadows...
But, I'm not going to say this movie is going to flat out suck... It's still too early. But it doesn't look good. If we're lucky this will genereate a sequel and we'll get the Punisher movie we've ALL been waithing for.

By the way, when the hell are we going to get Year One in TPB?

 

[Devil]

But, Iron Man looked good from the get-go. This did't. Too many problems.
If Jane had stayed onboard we would have gotten Walter Hill to direct it. Not a director who directed an overlong, but pretty decent movie. Who seems to got as much sense about the The Punisher comics as Joel Schumacher had about Batman.
Jane wanted to make a crime drama-esque... a movie that does the character justice. Dark, not coloured like Batman & Robin. When I think Punisher I don't think colour palets, I think darkness- Like you don't know whats in the shadows...
But, I'm not going to say this movie is going to flat out suck... It's still too early. But it doesn't look good. If we're lucky this will genereate a sequel and we'll get the Punisher movie we've ALL been waithing for.

By the way, when the hell are we going to get Year One in TPB?

But this looks like the comics (the characters, the story, the colours, the events...)!!! I don't know if this finally will be a new Schumacker's Batman lookalike but i would say no.

P.s. The Jane versione was stupid and no-Punisher story. It's a loose sequel to Taxi Driver with a man called Frank Castle and stop.

 

[S. Grundy]

C'mon, this is stupid. Real.
Director. Lexi Alexander is a good director. Yes. Better than Hensleigh, of course. I'm sorry, on the 2004 i like the Punisher movie but i say "yes, is good but it's not the Punisher i want". It's like a spaghetti western homage from a guy who has read (see the making of on dvd) only the Ennis' "Welcome back, Frank" run and stop. This 2008 version is more comic-booky: yes, this is inspired more on the Ennis' Max Series but i see also things from the 80's & 90's comic-books with Microchip, the Budiansky and Jigsaw characters. It's a good remix of both Punisher version (the Max and the MU). But, repeat, i'm not judgin a movie before i see. It's stupid. And...Before i see "Iron Man" i don't trust Jon Favreau. Now i can say it's a good director.

Hensleigh's direction of the 2004 film was good, he got good performances pretty much all around and plenty of reviews that didn't particularly even like the movie have said the direction was good.

I think Green Street Hooligans is a bad movie, there are some bad performance from typically good actors in the movie. Couple that with some of the comments she's made on her blog about the character, pretty much convinced me that she was the wrong person for the directing job.

Hensligh has said in interview's that he read other Punisher stories; he said he based the script on Year One, issues of The Punisher War Zone and The Punisher War Journal, all those including Welcome Back, Frank.

As for Faverau, he actually directed a couple of good movies before hand.