Tom Welling as Superman

[The Incredible Hulk]

Its an ensemble film but Superman gets the second most screentime in that script; next to Batman (whos essentially the main character).

Its unrealistic to believe they could film all of Superman's scenes and action sequences within such a short period...in a month; especially when most of his scenes involve the other characters.

you act as if you have a clue as to what the script really looks like

 

[Justice Bringer]

The 2nd draft. Yes I do.

I dont think they'll drastically alter much from it with what little time left and casting underway.

 

[RakuMon]

The 2nd draft. Yes I do.

I dont think they'll drastically alter much from it with what little time left and casting underway.

I call shenanigans.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Put it this way; mostly everything me and Showtime were told about the script; like very very specific details (characters, villians, story, twist ending, the death,) etc was backed up some time later on AICN and IESB.

I had posted the details on the Superman boards long before then.

Not that I even like the stuff presented in the script. One of the first things I said months before all this casting stuff is that I hope Christian and Brandon arent in this; this script is crap.

Theres always room for changes but I can't realistically see drastic changes being done in such little time.

 

[triplet]

Its an ensemble film but Superman gets the second most screentime in that script; next to Batman (whos essentially the main character).

How do you know that?

In the original OMAC storyline, Superman was a b-story essentially. He goes crazy and the OMACs start killing meta-human/superheroes...

The mysteries in that story are why Clark went crazy and who was controlling the OMACs and stole the brother I satellite that controlled them and tracked the meta humans....

Batman and Wonder Woman have to figure that out... Although I'd love for Superman to be the prime character, if that's the story they're following, he won't be.

Its unrealistic to believe they could film all of Superman's scenes and action sequences within such a short period...in a month; especially when most of his scenes involve the other characters.

How do you know that? Have you read the script?

In the original story, most of Superman's scenes with the other superheroes were either at Max Lord's Swiss hide-out or battling Wonder Woman or up at the Watch Tower....

It wasn't like he had a lot of scenes...

And the period announced in the casting call is accurate. Fox studios in Australia is doing Wolverine before JLA and is booked to do another picture right after. Its tight scheduling.

Yeah, so?

I brought that up because you can't base the needs of one actor's filming schedule on general casting notices. He could very well only be needed for a fraction of the total production schedule.

Clearly they don't. I'm starting to have doubts they ever did.

Again, how do you know?

You got an in somewhere on the Warner's lot? You know some suits over there?



It's all conjecture and speculation at this point. We don't know what's happening any more than you do but you state your opinions as fact.

You should know better by now that won't wash.

Me either. I'm doubting how open I'm going to be to seeing another actor in the role on the big screen again. I honestly don't know.

I don't know if I'll buy yet another Superman. I didn't totally buy brandon, for reasons I won't get into, but yet another person playing superman?

If Tom doesn't get it, I'll have to see how I feel once I see the guy and his performance.

Coudn't agree more. But...I do think it would be a bad decision career-wise for Tom to pass on this if it was ever offered to him. Sure, he's got amazing on-screen charisma, but getting good breaks in Hollywood, (i.e. decent scripts) is a very hard thing, and maybe even harder for a guy who's spent the last 6 years in a genre based TV show. I'd love for Tom to WANT to continue his portrayal of the MOS, and to play it for all it's worth.

If he doesn't *want* it though, that's a whole 'nother story. I'll still support him no matter what he does, but until we know otherwise, I won't stop hoping for him to get this role in this movie.

Russell Crowe said once the main reason he didn't work for two years after his break out American role in LA Confidential was because of the crap people kept sending him.

There are hundreds of thousands of scripts registered each year with the WGA script registration service but only a few hundred films get produced annually.

You do the math and that's possible proof that most scripts are dreck.

So Tom would be short-sighted to wait for something better to come along since there is no guarantee that something better ever will.

This is a huge tentpole and could mean a lot to Tom's career if he shows he can help carry it.

If he decided to pass, I'd understand the reasons why he wouldn't want to but there might not be any right answer for him with this...

There are pros and cons either way...

you act as if you have a clue as to what the script really looks like

He has no clue.

Even if the script only loosely follows the OMAC storyline, as it is rumored it will, then Superman won't be the main character.

It'll be an ensemble action flick, more like X-Men than Batman Begins.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I don't really think he's bothered about being Superman.

Who? Tom? I think the only thing that bothers him about becoming Superman in any adaptation is him becoming typecast as Superman for the rest of his career which would make it hard for him to find work. Just look at Christopher Reeve if you don't believe me.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Put it this way; mostly everything me and Showtime were told about the script; like very very specific details (characters, villians, story, twist ending, the death,) etc was backed up some time later on AICN and IESB.

Other than saying it followed the OMAC storyline I dont believe IESB or AICN posted any script details.

Is this from the same "source" that told you guys JLA wasnt even on the production schedule and gave you the old details about the MOS script?

 

[The Joker_1000]

Most likely it is.

 

[Billy Batson]

JLA News Feed Monday 9/24/2007

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[The Incredible Hulk]

hilarious they used that picture of Welling wear he looks like he just got done cleaning the pool

 

[Serene]

hilarious they used that picture of Welling wear he looks like he just got done cleaning the pool

And he still looks like the best choice by far.

 

[The Joker_1000]

If Welling were to be cast as Superman all he'd have to do is get more toned. He's already beefy so all he'd need to do is get more well defined.

 

[Billy Batson]

And he still looks like the best choice by far.

t:

 

[Justice Bringer]

How do you know that?

In the original OMAC storyline, Superman was a b-story essentially. He goes crazy and the OMACs start killing meta-human/superheroes...

The mysteries in that story are why Clark went crazy and who was controlling the OMACs and stole the brother I satellite that controlled them and tracked the meta humans....

Batman and Wonder Woman have to figure that out... Although I'd love for Superman to be the prime character, if that's the story they're following, he won't be.

In the original story, most of Superman's scenes with the other superheroes were either at Max Lord's Swiss hide-out or battling Wonder Woman or up at the Watch Tower....

It doesnt follow the comic OMAC storyline; if they did..royalty rights would need to be payed to the comic writers. Its essentially a new story and yes Superman features prominently; believe it or not. Hes Batman's right hand man (yes Batman is the JL leader/founder in this). Its different.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Is this from the same "source" that told you guys JLA wasnt even on the production schedule and gave you the old details about the MOS script?

No. This is the mod from BT. Yep they didnt leak alot of the story (yet) aside from spoiling the ending but out of what they did leak; everything lined up perfectly with what he told me.

 

[BareKnucklez]

Me for one I am ready to get off this roller coaster of Tom playing Superman. I am so tired of getting my hopes up for two seconds later someone bringing me down. I mean I would love to just hear the truth behind this. Like Tom say I am flattered but never had any intention whatsoever of playing Superman. Or have the studio fess up for screwing Tom out of the role. Me I just may stop watching Smallville over this and at this point have no desire to see JLA. I feel like a cat toy right now. How about a little truth WB give the fans a break and let us in the know. With the invention of Al Gores internet the days of fans just waiting around till a movie hits the theater is over we want to know now the info, and one way or another we will know. So wake up WB and clue us in.

Yea if Tom isn't in JLA I'm also gonna skip on JLA, and will watch whats left of Smallville but won't watch another Superman related movie from the WB because they are just F'in with us now.

Tom Welling is this generations Superman period!
Why are they bent on cheating this generation from watching him take flight in the suit on the big screen? I have heard Tom say he would love to do it if they offered him the role, and they could work out the schedule, and I have seen this so who ever tells me that he doesn't want the role is a liar because I saw those words come out of his mouth, and my ears heard it!


For some reason I have a feeling that the WB will end up screwing up JLA also with a cast that nobody is going to like outside of Ryan as Flash, and people are going to *****, and the backlash is going to be as bad or worse then Singerman Returns.

The best thing that they could do is hire Tom to play Superman and give him a couple of other movie deals for "non Superman" related projects, and then BEG Bale to be in the movie if only for 20mins of screen time.

That wouldn't take long, and for the right price I'm sure it can be worked out.


Just how Tom is this generations Superman Bale is this generations BATMAN, and to have yet another person playing him on the big screen with DARK KNIGHT out the year before will confuse, and upset most.

Even if its the guy from the NOTEBOOK... Well that will just piss guys off more then anything.. lol But seriously the multiple faces playing these characters at the same time is what is watering down these characters, and it's a main part of the reason why these movies aren't really hitting their target audience.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Does anyone have any suggestions for the role besides Brandon Routh and Tom Welling?

The new actor route is pretty likely.

 

[RakuMon]

EW is reporting that Jessica Biel is in talks to play WW. If this pans out (as well as the Ryan Reynolds as Flash rumor) that would be two popular, fan-approved casting choices. Could a Welling as Supes announcement be far behind?

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20058504,00.html

Will Jessica Biel play Wonder Woman?
According to industry sources, Biel is in talks to swing the trusty Lasso of Truth in the upcoming ''Justice League'' movie
JESSICA BIEL
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By Nicole Sperling

Will Jessica Biel be the next Wonder Woman? Industry sources say that the former 7th Heaven teen star may wield the Lasso of Truth in an upcoming film version of Justice League of America, and Hollywood was buzzing about the potential casting news on Monday. (Biel's reps say that it's way too early to know if a deal will happen; Warner Bros. won't confirm.) The movie, set to be directed by George Miller (Mad Max, Happy Feet), is a live-action adaptation of the popular comic book. It will mark the first time Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman will appear together on the big screen. Biel last starred in Adam Sandler's summer comedy I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. She is currently shooting the drama Powder Blue with Forest Whitaker.
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[triplet]

It doesnt follow the comic OMAC storyline; if they did..royalty rights would need to be payed to the comic writers. Its essentially a new story and yes Superman features prominently; believe it or not. Hes Batman's right hand man (yes Batman is the JL leader/founder in this). Its different.

I'm not sure Royalties come into play in this situation. I think whoever you talked to probably meant "rights" not royalties.

All writers involved would get royalties but you get those after the product has been delivered and its generating revenue. Rights are what you sell if you own the story so that a movie company can produce a film based on it...

I think that the comic writers probably wrote the comic books as a "work for hire" and Warner's owns DC, so I don't think the fact its based on a comic storyline would really be a factor in terms of acquiring the rights.

Warner's already owns the story since they own DC who owns the rights....

My entertainment business class was a long, long time ago so maybe Hulk could explain it, he's actually an entertainment lawyer, but I do know that a work for hire is a totally different beast than something you sell rights to like a book.

 

[Justice Bringer]

It depends.

Like 'New Frontier' (the JL animated film) is based on Darwyn Cooke's stuff and he was paid for it.

But in the cast of the JLA film; it isnt a direct adaption of the OMAC story. It couldnt be anyway; theres no way you could do Project OMAC story from IC in less than 2 hours.

 

[Justice Bringer]

EW is reporting that Jessica Biel is in talks to play WW. If this pans out (as well as the Ryan Reynolds as Flash rumor) that would be two popular, fan-approved casting choices.

Jessica Biel was a fan-approved casting choice?

Since when..

On here and BT, shes at the bottom of the lists. She's crap.

 

[RakuMon]

I'm not sure Royalties come into play in this situation.

I think that the comic writers probably wrote the comic books as a "work for hire" and Warner's owns DC, so I don't think the fact its based on a comic storyline would really be a factor in costs.

It's different than if you need to buy rights for a novel.

My entertainment business class was a long, long time ago so maybe Hulk could explain it, he's actually an entertainment lawyer, but I do know that a work for hire is a totally different beast than something you sell rights to like a book.

So I'm not sure royalties figure into anything...

You are correct, trip. DC owns everything, so there are no royalties involved. The only creators to receive credit are the original creators of the characters (i.e., bob kane, siegel & shuster). But since JB's "in the industry", I thought he'd know that.

 

[RakuMon]

It depends.

Like 'New Frontier' (the JL animated film) is based on Darwyn Cooke's stuff and he was paid for it.

But in the cast of the JLA film; it isnt a direct adaption of the OMAC story. It couldnt be anyway; theres no way you could do Project OMAC story from IC in less than 2 hours.

dude, darwyn cooke's only a consultant on the film. and the only reason wb brought him on was because they wanted the movie to retain his signature art style. it's got nothing to do with intellectual property or royalties.

 

[Justice Bringer]

I remember Dwayne McDuffie talking about this issue on the Toonzone boards when fans were asking for more episodes like "For the Man who has Everything" adapted directly from the comics. Just going by that.

 

[triplet]

dude, darwyn cooke's only a consultant on the film. and the only reason wb brought him on was because they wanted the movie to retain his signature art style. it's got nothing to do with intellectual property or royalties.

Actually, I edited that post after you quoted it...

I don't know if you want to change your response.