Tom Welling as Superman

[Milkman95]

Okay, I'm an educated critic and I think he's terrific.

Whatever....

What a strong, biased opinion - you just convinced me that he's great, thanks..........

 

[triplet]

What a strong, biased opinion - you just convinced me that he's great, thanks..........

Do you want my CV? I'm an educated critic even though I'm arguably not a professional one.

I used to be an actor, I know how hard it is for him to make it look as natural as he does.... Believe me or not.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I thought so. And I believe they used to film in the backlots of the WB Studios in L.A. So it was a WB Production.

ABC and CBS no different and yes it was a WB product but look at the shows on ABC compared to the shows on the WB thats what I am saying. If L&C was on the WB then I tend to think it might have made 7 seasons as well.

 

[triplet]

I don't know about that Tony but it's really hard to say, I mean it's like comparing apples and oranges.

TV viewing habits are much different today than they were ten years ago and there is much more competing for the same viewers.

It's true that the "poor" ratings that got L&C canceled probably would be considered excellent these days but would they have done as well competing in today's market?

I don't know if they would, the show was just too campy, but it's really hard to say one way or another.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't know about that Tony but it's really hard to say, I mean it's like comparing apples and oranges.

TV viewing habits are much different today than they were ten years ago and there is much more competing for the same viewers.

It's true that the "poor" ratings that got L&C canceled probably would be considered excellent these days but would they have done as well competing in today's market?

I don't know if they would, the show was just too campy, but it's really hard to say one way or another.

No Triplet I understand and agree with you but IMO SV is just as campy with their freak of the week thing as well. L&C down fall was they had a world open to them at the time where they could have used Wonder Woman and Batman(and yes they could have because they had the Batmobile in one of the shows) and didn't they could have put more people at Superman's level on the show instead of thugs. Thing is as you have said times have changed effect are better and SV has a bigger budget. If L&C had the effects and budget that SV has would it have ended I dont know.

 

[dark_b]

No Triplet I understand and agree with you but IMO SV is just as campy with their freak of the week thing as well. L&C down fall was they had a world open to them at the time where they could have used Wonder Woman and Batman(and yes they could have because they had the Batmobile in one of the shows) and didn't they could have put more people at Superman's level on the show instead of thugs. Thing is as you have said times have changed effect are better and SV has a bigger budget. If L&C had the effects and budget that SV has would it have ended I dont know.

i dont belive this. as a kid i watched all episodes and i dont remember this.
which episode,what was the story?

thanks.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I like how people sidestepped the fact that at one point Lois and Clark pulled in 21 million viewers.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

i dont belive this. as a kid i watched all episodes and i dont remember this.
which episode,what was the story?

thanks.

Its in season three with the guy from Star Trek that was trying to collect Superman. They had Burton's Batmobile in it and used the line "we picked this one up in Gotham" and his wife goes "Yes, were just batty about it." or something like that I didn't even remember that part till I watched it again. here is more proof

http://www.tv.com/lois-and-clark-th...-on-supermans-cape/episode/29120/summary.html
If observed closely and connected to the rich couple's comment about their "batty" car, you can see none other than the 1989 version of the Batmobile in their room of treasures

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Remember...its puff, puff, THEN PASS. If all you do is keep it for yourself, you're the only one messed up in the room. And that's never good.

I provided proof that at one point the show was very popular, more popular than SV has ever been. 21 million viewers *cough*

 

[Zing79]

I provided proof that at one point the show was very popular, more popular than SV has ever been. 21 million viewers *cough*

And at one point having 21 million viewers a night would get you a 3rd place finish in your time slot.
It's called viewer errosion. Might want to take that into account when you're throwing out numbers that are over 10 years old.

I loved L&C, but that show isn't ANYWHERE near as much of a cash cow for WB as SV is, and you if you think otherwise then you should lay off the cigaweed.

Perspective: The money SV has ALREADY made could of covered SRs budget.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I loved L&C, but that show isn't ANYWHERE near as much of a cash cow for WB as SV is, and you if you think otherwise then you should lay off the cigaweed.

Thats because we are talking two different time periods and two different markets.

 

[Zing79]

Thats because we are talking two different time periods and two different markets.

Money is money. A Profit margin now is the same as then. And L&C can't touch SV's profir margin.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Money is money. A Profit margin now is the same as then. And L&C can't touch SV's profir margin.

I would say different if you gave L&C the same budget and effeect SV has now but as I said before they are two different products.

 

[RakuMon]

Anyway.

Zing, what say you about AdAge's Superman article?

Are the prospects of a DTV Smallville movie good?

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Ummm... The height of it's popularity would be when 21 million viewers tuned in for it's season 3 debut episode.

True but it wasn't as strong globally as SV is and hadn't make the same impact on fans possibly due to the campyness and also for being a product that explored the story much the same way as it's always been and didn't have the fresh aproach that SV has. Neither did the ppl relate as much with it's characters (namely a Superman they DO believe in) as with SV's characters.
And that is why Lois and Clark fell on it's 4th season and SV is going stronger than ever torwards a 6th one.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

SV learned how to drag it out longer, taking L&C into consideration and how getting them together by the 3rd season rushed the series along.

 

[JackMercy]

Hmmm. Interesting.

Oh Jack?

Ahh... the trickle-down effect...gotta love it.

I was just going to make you guys and gals aware of this darn thing, but you are all great bloodhounds (in the nicest way), everybody is so quick on the button, instant news arrives before the instant!!


Anyway, in regards to the subject at hand...

Nothing wrong with speculating Whatsoever...
(hey, if Fox can do it with the X...)

I remember a story my local delivery guy was telling me once, about some customer who ordered a veggie because they claimed that they didn't make the supreme with the kind of topping he wanted... until they informed him that, oh yes, that topping was definitely available, and in fact if and when the cirumstances demanded it, they'd fully incorporate it into the menu...


For those wondering more about my pizza delivery guy...
(and those with a question mark over their heads right now)

My delivery guy isn't required to wear a uniform...but despite the stigma associated with his restaurant, he's not --and never has been-- adverse to putting one on ...should they ask him nicely enough...

 

[Max]

What you forget also is that Lois and Clark were on a bigger network then SV was and had a Smaller budget and still did well. Lets see how good SV would have done if it was on CBS like Lois and Clark (and remember even back the CBS had good shows). So lets see the shows on the WB all but suck expect SV. So really SV didn't have to worry or compete with other shows on its network to much. Lois and Clark on CBS on the other hand had to compete with all the other shows on its network which were pretty good at the time. If Lois and Clark was on the WB like SV is I am sure that show would have made 5 seasons.

Actually, I think the opposite is true. The fact that L&C was on a major network helped contribute to their ratings. The fact that SV has and is doing well and has managed to surpass many of the key demographics on an extremely competitive night like Thursday, and on a much smaller network that gets little to no press coverage as compared to the other four, tells me that Smallville's accomplishments are no small feat.

There is no doubt that SR got a faster and bigger push as a result of the success of SV.

 

[Max]

What a strong, biased opinion - you just convinced me that he's great, thanks..........

Milkman, you're too funny. Like your opinion isn't equally strong and biased? The pot and the kettle, you know what I mean?

 

[Serene]

Anyway, in regards to the subject at hand...

Nothing wrong with speculating Whatsoever...
(hey, if Fox can do it with the X...)

I remember a story my local delivery guy was telling me once, about some customer who ordered a veggie because they claimed that they didn't make the supreme with the kind of topping he wanted... until they informed him that, oh yes, that topping was definitely available, and in fact if and when the cirumstances demanded it, they'd fully incorporate it into the menu...


For those wondering more about my pizza delivery guy...
(and those with a question mark over their heads right now)

My delivery guy isn't required to wear a uniform...but despite the stigma associated with his restaurant, he's not --and never has been-- adverse to putting one on ...should they ask him nicely enough...

Omg.. I think I actually "get" one of Jack's posts.

Must be the medication..

 

[AgentPat]

...I remember a story my local delivery guy was telling me once, about some customer who ordered a veggie because they claimed that they didn't make the supreme with the kind of topping he wanted... until they informed him that, oh yes, that topping was definitely available, and in fact if and when the cirumstances demanded it, they'd fully incorporate it into the menu...

My delivery guy isn't required to wear a uniform...but despite the stigma associated with his restaurant, he's not --and never has been-- adverse to putting one on ...should they ask him nicely enough...

Best. Jack. Post. EVER!




The first person that asks for a translation to THAT post should be shot. ROFLMFAO!!!!

 

[rumpuso]

Omg.. I think I actually "get" one of Jack's posts.

Me too! It's a first!

 

[triplet]

Hey, interesting article on Pilot orders for next year:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-03-22-tv-pilots-big-stars_x.htm?csp=34

Interesting bit for us Tom Welling/Smallville fans is it looks like the resurgence of Smallville maybe has had an impact on the programming decisions of other networks.

The USA Today article lists this trend:

Superheroes CW, already inheriting WB's Smallville, has Aquaman, based on the DC Comics series. CBS' Ultra, based on another comic-book character, finds its heroine adapting to her special powers. And NBC has its own Heroes, about regular folks who wake with superpowers and save mankind.

Maybe Smallville doing so well and CBS and NBC getting their own superhero shows isn't a co-inky-dink....

Who says Smallville ain't having an impact?

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Actually, I think the opposite is true. The fact that L&C was on a major network helped contribute to their ratings. The fact that SV has and is doing well and has managed to surpass many of the key demographics on an extremely competitive night like Thursday, and on a much smaller network that gets little to no press coverage as compared to the other four, tells me that Smallville's accomplishments are no small feat.

There is no doubt that SR got a faster and bigger push as a result of the success of SV.

Yeah but the point was, L&C was very popular in it's prime (When did SV get 21 million viewers? ) They could have made a new Superman movie at the height of it's (L&C) popularity but waited until they could do it right. SV's ratings or popularity didn't contribute to a thing, this has been in the making for over 10 years now Whatever the quality of SV was going to be, didn't matter, the show was based off of the Superman universe so it was going to do at least ok. It really hasn't exceeded expectations imo, it's met them which is good. Meeting the expectations is not the reason a new Superman movie is happening however, like I said it's been in development limbo forever. Long before SV was ever made they were trying to get this off the ground.

 

[Scooter]

I wouldn't doubt the popularity of SV being a kick in the pants for WB to seriously get the ball rolling on a new Superman movie...