Tom Welling as Superman

[phil]

MJZ, awesome drawings, I wish I saw them sooner, good job!

 

[MJZ]

Amazing how soon some folks forget.

Rest assured, I will NOT! And neither will Triplet, MJZ, or Serene.

I asked the mods here about *that* and was ignored. Interesting, eh?

 

[MJZ]

MJZ, awesome drawings, I wish I saw them sooner, good job!

Hi Phil, thanks, and yours is awesome also.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I asked the mods here about *that* and was ignored. Interesting, eh?

yeah that's exactly why, with a few exceptions, I have about zero respect for the moderation on these boards. I'd have more respect for those jokes had they never banned the moron in the 1st place, as opposed to banning him and then going back on it.

I've seen people here get banned for life in the Community forum for less and theyve never come back. But that clown wipes his ass with the T.O.S. here by taking user posted photos and makes an insulting, sexist, homophobic video out of them, and he gets let back in just because, I'm assuming he asked nicely.

 

[MJZ]

yeah that's exactly why, with a few exceptions, I have about zero respect for the moderation on these boards. I'd have more respect for those jokes had they never banned the moron in the 1st place, as opposed to banning him and then going back on it.

I've seen people here get banned for life in the Community forum for less and theyve never come back. But that clown wipes his ass with the T.O.S. here by taking user posted photos and makes an insulting, sexist, homophobic video out of them, and he gets let back in just because, I'm assuming he asked nicely.

I agree, they suck. Not to say that they're not fine people outside of the forums, but I've never been impressed with the mods here. The best was Snipe but even he couldn't stand it after so long.

 

[Zing79]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

 

[AgentPat]

^ I have SOOOOO much to say on this subject, I honestly don't know where to begin. Unfortunately, nearly everything will have to be kept to PM, 'cause after seeing... well.. you know... the mind just boggles.

...and festers.

I need time to compose my thoughts into something coherent though. I'm too scatterbrained at the moment, and my rant - 'cause you KNOW it will be a good un (LOL!) - will also be pretty involved.



PHIL! dood! Welcome to The Hype!
I think you'll fit in VERY nicely here, ahuh!

What happened over yonder?

 

[C. Lee]

Kane is banned for posting in this forum.

The rest of you have been told to leave SR discussions out of this forum.....do not continue it.

 

[avidreader]

^ I have SOOOOO much to say on this subject, I honestly don't know where to begin. Unfortunately, nearly everything will have to be kept to PM, 'cause after seeing... well.. you know... the mind just boggles.

...and festers.

I need time to compose my thoughts into something coherent though. I'm too scatterbrained at the moment, and my rant - 'cause you KNOW it will be a good un (LOL!) - will also be pretty involved.



PHIL! dood! Welcome to The Hype!
I think you'll fit in VERY nicely here, ahuh!

What happened over yonder?

Looking forward to a PM.

Welcome Phil!

 

[AgentPat]

Looking forward to a PM.

No prob! I haven't started it yet, but I'll put something together tomorrow.

PS: Thank you, C. Lee.

 

[Brainiac 8]

No prob! I haven't started it yet, but I'll put something together tomorrow.

PS: Thank you, C. Lee.

You better include me in that PM or I'll be hurt.

Phil, welcome dude. Glad to have you here.

 

[Pickle-El]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

I believe this is the defintion of 'choosing your battles.'

Nicely done.

 

[Pickle-El]

Here's some advice...No one cares how you've been labeled in the past. If you've got a review to give...Other forums are open. Just post it, seriously. Lots of people from all around the HYPE are doing it.

NO ONE on this forum has anything on MATT or Advanced Dark anyway....it would be a very welcome review. (You guys keep the reviews to the actual product.....you have no idea how much I should have respected that alone from the beginning)

 

[Zing79]

I believe this is the defintion of 'choosing your battles.'

Nicely done.

Well now I'm officially pissed. Regardless of whether I liked the movie or not, its success and failure has a HUGE impact on SV.

Watching what's playing out right now, is making me believe there's no chance what so ever (in any format) that WB will sign off on a Superman extension of Smallville. And that isn't fair to the SV mythos given they've actually earned themselves a budget from real money, not potential return on investment.

 

[AgentPat]

Here's some advice...No one cares how you've been labeled in the past. If you've got a review to give...Other forums are open. Just post it, seriously. Lots of people from all around the HYPE are doing it.

NO ONE on this forum has anything on MATT or Advanced Dark anyway....it would be a very welcome review. (You guys keep the reviews to the actual product.....you have no idea how much I should have respected that alone from the beginning)

Unfortunately, no can do in that forum either. Y'see, I'm a Superman fan, but I've been spoiled by a characterization that emphasizes conscious before self gratification. I've come to know a Clark Kent that has an inhuman level of honor and principle. Like Reeve, Welling's portrayal has become quite a benchmark, and it's the small stuff that he does and represents in character that makes all the difference in the world. There's so many nuances to his acting style that work on a gut level to drive home what he's thinking and feeling, but he also has the ability to verbalize those feelings in convincing ways. Simply put, I can't talk about Superman w/o using him as a reference, and I can't discuss SV or Welling over yonder.

Example of the small stuff? Well, there's certain things Clark has learned not to do unless he feels somebody is in danger, and meddling in other people's affairs of the heart is at the top of the list. In SV canon, Clark was 14 when he developed X-Ray vision. He asked Martha, "Mom, if you could see anything, what would you do?" She replied, "Learn to close my eyes." 'Tis sage advice. Clark would later tell Pete that his X-Ray vision "only works when I focus and I do not use it to invade people's privacy." Not only is Clark a super man, but he's one of high morals.

This is one of many admirable qualities I think people look up to in Superman. He's there as an inspiration and model for goodness, not just heroism. It is what I prefer to see anyway. Other people's mileage will vary, I'm sure.

Gee, any more posts like this and I won't have to PM people. I think I will have made my point by describing the things I like about SV. Folks can extrapolate the rest.

 

[rumpuso]

I completely agree with your post, Pat. Tom Welling has created a Clark Kent persona that (to me) is now the standard to beat. He is similar to Christopher Reeve in that respect. In any case, because of TW's ability show so much depth in his performance and to convince people that he IS Superman (even without the suit), it would be quite the treat if the fans of SV would given the gift of seeing him, even if only briefly, as the iconic character WITH the suit.

 

[triplet]

Thank you, I just got banned from bluetights for not liking the new movie i guess. I do like Routh but I don't think he can compare to Welling as Superman.

SV has given us so many Superman moments that make our neck hairs stand up without him even having the suit! God I hope we get that T.V. movie! Can you imagine SV with a big budget! The day-time Fortress birth was awesome on a small budget.

they banned you for not liking BJ? Unbelievable...

Well, you're welcome here. Many here were happy with BJ in the film and *gasp* I still like them... I haven't seen it and am not sure I will yet... I keep going back and forth on whether I will. If I were to see it, I would review the product as presented not through the prism of who was (or wasn't) cast...

Welcome to the hype, Phil!

 

[NHawk19]

Pat,

The SR and SV boards may not be the place for the review, but the Super-World forums may be the place to take it public. Check with Lee but it's all things \S/ so SV & SR comparisons etc. should be allowed there.


Hope I'm on the PM list to atleast see it though.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.

Awesome post. I did get on a bit of an argument (though a civilizaded one) with another poster on the dc comics movie board) about this same thing and I find it funny how he thinks that Tom in that movie wouldn't have made more box-office because the smallville fans saw the movie anyway...lol (like the SV fans could be measured up for a message board or two - I have alot of friends who either don't follow the show or don't like it and they wanted Tom to play the role in a movie).
And just from a business standpoint would you be more confortable putting a 250 million movie on the back of someone the vast majority of the public already saw as Superman or with an unknown. The answer to that question is obvious and only a blind person would think that wouldn´t reflect on box office.

 

[Whiteflag]

Unfortunately, no can do in that forum either. Y'see, I'm a Superman fan, but I've been spoiled by a characterization that emphasizes conscious before self gratification. I've come to know a Clark Kent that has an inhuman level of honor and principle. Like Reeve, Welling's portrayal has become quite a benchmark, and it's the small stuff that he does and represents in character that makes all the difference in the world. There's so many nuances to his acting style that work on a gut level to drive home what he's thinking and feeling, but he also has the ability to verbalize those feelings in convincing ways. Simply put, I can't talk about Superman w/o using him as a reference, and I can't discuss SV or Welling over yonder.

Example of the small stuff? Well, there's certain things Clark has learned not to do unless he feels somebody is in danger, and meddling in other people's affairs of the heart is at the top of the list. In SV canon, Clark was 14 when he developed X-Ray vision. He asked Martha, "Mom, if you could see anything, what would you do?" She replied, "Learn to close my eyes." 'Tis sage advice. Clark would later tell Pete that his X-Ray vision "only works when I focus and I do not use it to invade people's privacy." Not only is Clark a super man, but he's one of high morals.

This is one of many admirable qualities I think people look up to in Superman. He's there as an inspiration and model for goodness, not just heroism. It is what I prefer to see anyway. Other people's mileage will vary, I'm sure.

Gee, any more posts like this and I won't have to PM people. I think I will have made my point by describing the things I like about SV. Folks can extrapolate the rest.

Great post!

I'd love to get your pm's too! (Thanks for the one you already sent)

 

[Brainiac 8]

Was I left out of a PM I didn't know about?

 

[darkzombiemutt]

I Waannnaaa See Pat!

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I wanna a pm too Pat ! lol

 

[smsvmos]

Dudes I have to see the PM's Send Send NOW!!!!! Just to let u guys know there is a Spanish forum over at the SRINO thread and atleast in the hispanic comunity NO ONE liked it

 

[Pickle-El]

Dudes I have to see the PM's Send Send NOW!!!!! Just to let u guys know there is a Spanish forum over at the SRINO thread and atleast in the hispanic comunity NO ONE liked it

I sure as hell enjoyed myself.