Tom Welling as Superman

[blksuperman2]

Got a link??

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245340

 

[avidreader]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245340

Thanks, I'm a bit scared to venture outside of this forum, the long way around. t:

 

[blksuperman2]

Thanks, I'm a bit scared to venture outside of this forum, the long way around. t:

LOL, It's a scary world out there.

 

[Wilde]

Here is an updated version of my Welling manip:

 

[bootspark]

great pic of gnillew as Supes. i still hate that suit though

 

[RakuMon]

EW's PopWatch blog on the popularity of superheroes on TV w/ a big ole photo of TW, natch.
Unfortunately, Scott Brown goes on to endorse the whole "Chlois" thing in a mainstream forum. Boo!

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2006/10/hero_and_superh.html


Hero and Superhero: Comics, all growed up

Superheroes: For a bubble that was supposed to have burst a couple of Blade sequels ago, they’ve shown remarkable staying power in the fantasy-hungry mainstream. They are, it would seem, what’s for dinner, now and forever.

So let’s talk about them: The Heroes, the Hiro, and, of course, the Hero—Numero Uno, Big Blue, He Who Had Not Such a Great Summer At the Movies but Hey-There’s-Always-Television.

Let me begin by celebrating the passing -- or, at least, waning -- of a theme: the superhero-as-metaphor-for "otherness," difference, nerdiness, and purple-nurple-getting. Sure, it’s valid. Sure, it’s a potent idea for the core readers of comic books, who have their own nurples -- real, metaphysical and imagined -- to display as war wounds. But I’m just not sure I buy it. I’m not sure I buy beautiful, godlike Clark Kent’s 60,000th lament about not fitting in. (Not when he looks like Smallville's Tom Welling, pictured.) I’m not even sure I entirely buy Heroes’ Claire bellyaching over how her invincibility clashes with her spiffy 1950s cheerleader outfit. (Though, on a more positive sidenote, I do like the suggestion planted in this Tim Kring interview that Milo Ventimiglia's Peter Petrelli may be a Rogue-style parasite.)

Basically, I think all people -- geek and jock alike, and Americans, especially -- suspect they’re superheroes anyway, either as an entitlement or a coping mechanism. So what’s the big surprise when they find out they actually are? Like Hiro, the breakout favorite on Heroes, they knew they had it in them all along. Just once, I’d like to see a character who genuinely can’t distinguish his adolescent license-to-drive self-assuredness from his very real (and possibly dangerous) superabilities.

Sure, there will always be disenfranchised nerds, looking for empowerment fantasies. But the world has changed. The pop culture center has shifted, and the nerds are now the nexus. (Just look at the ratings for Heroes.) This new world demands a steady diet of fantasy. Draw whatever religiopolitical conclusions you want from that statement, but know this much: The sweaty dreams of nerd empowerment are coming true, in this world and in the fantasy worlds we’ve created. The question isn’t one of being different: The question is one of being better. It’s that scary, Nietzschean side of the superhero equation, the more frightening, less attractive side. The hero as aggrieved, ostracized outsider was fine for those first few seasons of Smallville, but it’s time to grow up, grow out, and face the toughest question of all: What does it mean to be "better" in a world where the real-life X-men are Google guys and, let’s face it, there’s a lot more red kryptonite than green? That was the world hinted at in The Incredibles, the best mainstream superhero distillation to date, which some saw as a Red State celebration of and apologia for unbridled American exceptionalism.

On an entirely different subject: Al Gough and Miles Millar, I implore you, please let the Chlois Theory be somehow true. I don’t like tortured, multidimensional crises in my comic-book universe any more than you do, but if that’s what it takes to make Chloe (Allison Mack) the real Lois Lane, then, by Zod, do it. Sorry, Temp Lois (Erica Durance). You've been shown up. The Mack Lois is simply a superior being, and ain't life cruel?

Posted by Scott Brown | 10.16.06, 07:22 PM

 

[Kaboom]

^^^ew gross

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10423066&posted=1#post10423066

In case ppl want to join the debate...

And for those who haven't voted on Tom yet click on the link on top the thread...

 

[avidreader]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10423066&posted=1#post10423066

In case ppl want to join the debate...

And for those who haven't voted on Tom yet click on the link on top the thread...

Those fanboys scare me.

There was one particular post that amused me though, because I could retaliate by saying vice versa.

I suspect that thread wont stay open long.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Those fanboys scare me.

There was one particular post that amused me though, because I could retaliate by saying vice versa.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed...lol I laughed out loud when I read that.

 

[AgentPat]

Oh what the hell, this thread needs a bump. And "mainstream" articles like this make me chuckle.

Hey Raku? I think you'll like this un too.

Lil' Bow Wow shows up in 'Smallville,' takes on Superman

Lil' Bow Wow -- he'll always be little to us -- guest starred on The CW's "Smallville" on Thursday night as a villain that battled Tom Welling's young Superman. Bow Wow played "Baern," a phantom that had been banished by Superman's father, Jor-El, to Krypton's version of a prison, called "The Phantom Zone." Superman, who only appears on the show as his alter ego, Clark Kent, had unknowingly released many of the prisoners during his own escape on a previous episode. During Thursday's show, Bow Wow tracked down Kent -- a.k.a. Kal-El -- and killed one of his fellow Kryptonians before being defeated. His character survived because the phantom had only used Bow Wow's body as a host. Bow Wow, whose previous screen credits include "Roll Bounce," "Johnson Family Vacation" and "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift," was also credited as a sponsor for the show, which promoted his latest album.

-- The 411 Online

http://www.the411online.com/news/11030604.html​

"Superman?"

 

[LL2K2]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young."

 

[Serene]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young."

That's because it's superfluous.

 

[AgentPat]

You forgot the adjective preceding it: "Young."

Young, old, teenager, adult - it doesn't matter; he's still Kal-El, aka Clark Kent, aka Superman. The way some people act, Superman isn't Superman w/o the costume. But "it's not what you are underneath - it's what you do that defines you."

Try and get past the moniker folks. If it was only about the name, then "Clark Kent" would just be a mild mannered reporter working at a major metropolitan newspaper.

Yeah, right, ahuh...

Yup. For sure! That's Clark Kent all right. LOL :P

 

[AgentPat]

^ But Clark Kent is more than all that. Look deeper peeps. See the heart. Recognize that it's the same soul under the future costume...

NOW we're getting to the meat and potatoes behind the character we know to be Superman.

 

[The Caped Knight]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

 

[Serene]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

Hear that whizzing sound? That's Pat's point flying WAAAAY over your head.



He IS Superman because of the "heart" of the matter. But if you define Superman solely by the clothes he wears, then I guess you'll never get it.

 

[AgentPat]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

The "heart of the matter" IS the heart of the matter, Kal. I think folks are splitting hairs debating the name and the wardrobe. "Superman" as a moniker and visualization doesn't exist in SV yet. No argument there. But the characterization - the metaphoric symbol for truth, justice and hope, and the inspiration to be a better person - is alive and well.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Hear that whizzing sound? That's Pat's point flying WAAAAY over your head.



He IS Superman because of the "heart" of the matter. But if you define Superman solely by the clothes he wears, then I guess you'll never get it.

Ok hold on right their ... I got her point ["Their more to SUPERMAN than just the suit"[It's The Man behind the cape.] I get that . However While The Suit doesn't make the Man, It's still an imporant piece in being SUPERMAN, His suit is an iconic Symbol of "Hope" . When the Citizen's of Metropolis in all the other incarnation see The suit [many feel happy,safe,protected etc.....]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN .

When we see this

Then it's SUPERMAN

Till then he's only Kal-EL & Clark Kent .

 

[AgentPat]

...His suit is an iconic Symbol of "Hope" . When the Citizen's of Metropolis in all the other incarnation see The suit [many feel happy,safe,protected etc.....]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN.

Ahah! This is interesting. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you wrote, you're looking at Superman as a symbol from the POV of the character masses within the fiction, right?

See, I choose to view his story as a parable. Superman is a symbol and source of inspiration for the audience, e.g. us.

But even in SV, Clark is still a metaphoric Superman to those characters who know who he really is and what he does...

Chloe: Clark, I think you're so amazing. You save people's lives and take zero credit for it. To me, you're more than just a hero. You're a super hero.
Clark: Chloe...
Chloe: I'm serious, Clark. If more humans were like you, the world would be a better place.
- Arrival​

 

[Squatlow]

You make good points Pat, But at the heart of the matter he's still not SUPERMAN.

You know, you're right. He's not Superman. Never really was and never really will be.

He's Kal-El, the last Son of Krypton whose earth name is Clark. Superman is the call sign Lois assigned to him, and it stuck.

Kinda like if we call a particular politician "Stupid" and it catches on. Is said politician stupid only from the day we call him that or has he actually been stupid for a long, long, long time? (for the politically sensitive here, I'd just like to say that I'm not necessarily referring to anyone in particular like...oh...say...the current occupant of the highest office in the land...honest and that's my nuculur thought about that! t: )

Similarly, hasn't he been Superman for a long, long, long time. Just didn't have the call sign assigned?

In fact, neither Jor-El, Lara, Jonathan, Martha, nor even Clark himself ever imagined himself as someone called Superman. Lois hung the name on him and it stuck. During Kal-El's first public appearance, he wore the costume, but was not operating as Superman or any other named crusader. Kal-El/Clark appears to have never considered naming himself and the logical outcome is that until Lois did hang the sobriquet on him, he essentially operated for that short time as "who the heck is that guy". So can we say that even though he wore the costume for some time prior to being named by Lois, that he was not Superman? Pish Posh. He was and is Superman.

If thats not your cup of cheese, fine. Call it as you see it, but opinions vary and if Lois actually saw him catching burning airliners wearing his normal Smallville getup, I'd venture to guess she'd want to call him some damn thing. Although I'm not sure Carhartt-Man has quite the same appeal. Tomato, tomahto...

 

[The Caped Knight]

Ahah! This is interesting. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you wrote, you're looking at Superman as a symbol from the POV of the character masses within the fiction, right?

See, I choose to view his story as a parable. Superman is a symbol and source of inspiration for the audience, e.g. us.

But even in SV, Clark is still a metaphoric Superman to those characters who know who he really is and what he does...

Chloe: Clark, I think you're so amazing. You save people's lives and take zero credit for it. To me, you're more than just a hero. You're a super hero.
Clark: Chloe...
Chloe: I'm serious, Clark. If more humans were like you, the world would be a better place.
- Arrival​

See here thing

I'm not denying his doesn't have some the Characteristics already that will be apart of SUPERMAN natural Character in the future . I know he does .

Just like Peter Parker & Bruce Wayne do. Before they become their men their destied to become. [Peter Parker aka : Spider-man] & [Bruce Wayne aka : BATMAN]


However unlike you and many smallville fans[who like Farmboy Clark better mainly all the woman fans of this show, Who only watch it to see Tom Welling]. I am a huge fan of THE MAN OF STEEL and to me the suit is a very imporant piece for being SUPERMAN .

 

[avidreader]

However unlike you and many smallville fans[who like Farmboy Clark better mainly all the woman fans of this show, Who only watch it to see Tom Welling]. I am a huge fan of THE MAN OF STEEL and to me the suit is a very imporant piece for being SUPERMAN .

I'm curious to know what it is about the SUIT that makes you think that this is what defines Clark Kent/Kal-el as SUPERMAN.

Surely, there is more to the man than costuming.

And Pat your posts are always so inspirational that they bring a tear to my eyes.

 

[Superman Pwnage]

I'm pretty sure everyone already knows this, but in case anyone doesnt, it's worth explaining.

There are essentially three forms to the being named Kal-El (three identities):

1) Clark Kent on the Farm (his true self, his true personality) *

2) Daily Planet Clark Kent (The bumbling reporter disguise)

3) Superman (A public figure and Kal-El's eventual superhero identity).


Out of all of these, *Tom has only played one, the first.

There have been hints (Vengeance) that the bumbling Daily Planet disguise will be someday implemented but it hasnt happened yet.

Essentially Kal-El 8 didnt mention that the Superman title is actually more than simply costuming. It is essentially the world's way of acknowledging Kal-El when he becomes a public figure. It is a title coined by the people of the world to describe this mysterious powerful figure. It is essentially Kal-El's formal superhero identity to the world.


Currently, Clark has not even begun his training to get to his destiny of being this public superhero, so the road is somewhat long. He could also never be a public figure as farmboy Clark Kent as it would ruin his family and destroy his human identity.

He is only known as what he truely is by Martha and Chloe (who essentially is in the same position the traditional Lana Lang was when she knew about the powers of teenage Clark in the comics). He has not revealed himself to the world.

 

[greenlantern248]

Has anyone thought about this because this makes sense too.

Kal El came to earth with great power
so isn't it fare to say that Superman (name or no name) is his true idenity and Clark Kent is the disguise.

Think about Batman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Flash, Spiderman, Captain America, and every superhero that wears a mask. They are wearing the mask to cover there true selves.
Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume