Tom Welling as Superman

[avidreader]

Has anyone thought about this because this makes sense too.

Kal El came to earth with great power
so isn't it fare to say that Superman (name or no name) is his true idenity and Clark Kent is the disguise.

Think about Batman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Flash, Spiderman, Captain America, and every superhero that wears a mask. They are wearing the mask to cover there true selves.
Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume

That's pretty much the way I see it too Green Lantern.

I think I saw Hulk mention it somewhere that the Clark Kent we see now on Smallville is more like his future Superman self than his Clark Kent future self.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Superman doesn't wear a mask so we see what he really looks like. Clark on the other hand wears glasses which is sorta like a mask.
So what I am trying to get at here is Kal El was Superman from the day he landed on earth regardless of title or costume

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

 

[The Caped Knight]

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

So Do I.

 

[Zorex]

On Smallville we see a young man in training to become THE MAN OF STEEL.
But we don't see SUPERMAN .

Till then he's only Kal-EL & Clark Kent .

I heartily agree

 

[heliorei]

IMHO, every person has a unique perception of the character: some like Kal-El8 see Superman as the real person while others like svmos see Clark Kent as the real persona.

I defend above all real persona is the one we see in every week, in show we love, Smallville.

For me, I don't see Metropolis Clark Kent (MCK) or Superman as the real person: they are extensions of his true nature.


AS Superman, he shows that people can trust him and he serves as an example to other people to follow the right path: he can show his powers to the world, to benefit mankind. But as Superman, he can't act like himself because like everyone else, he has his fears, his doubts and so as an example, he cannot show them.

Here comes MCK: as a result of not wearing a mask, MCK has to wear glasses in order to make a "disguise". Sometimes he acts a little goofy in order people won't suspect and sometimes giving some weird excuses but again because this erratic behavior, he can't be his true self but nevetheless he can have a personal life, opposed as Superman where he is a worldwide known figure.

In my perspective, Superman and Metropolis Clark Kent (MCK) are the balance the true Clark Kent finds in order to help people and have his own personal life.

Why do you I call him the true persona, Clark Kent instead of KaL-El?

Because he sees himself more as a human than kryptonian even if he knows he's not human.

Check talisman (s03e20) when Clark is talking with his parents or Splinter (s05e07) when talks to Fine. that's in Smallville.

In Superman: the animated series, he too relates more to humans than to kryptonians.

 

[Superman Pwnage]

Normally, I would agree with that. I personally prefer Superman to be the real persona and Clark Kent to be the disguise. It makes the character unique and sets him apart from every other hero but in Smallville's case, I think they might take a different route.

Didn't Gough and Millar say awhile back in an interview, that in Smallville continuity, Superman would be the disguise?

Yes.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Kal-EL - KRYPTONIAN + Clark Kent - HUMAN = SUPERMAN

Kal-EL is the real deal not Clark Kent,

As SUPERMAN , Kal-EL doesn't have to hid his true Kryptonian self. He is free to be himself 100%. He is Kal-EL : son of Jor-EL & Lara , THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON . He wear's a super suit to use his amazing powers in public to help people who can't help themselves. He also Wear's his Family Crest with great pride and honor on his chest and on the back of his cape.

As Clark Kent [he hids himself both to his friends & Family] He tries to live like a normal human being,To be one of us. But no matter how much he tries, he will never be. [He's is an alien.]

 

[Scarlet Spider]

IMHO, every person has a unique perception of the character: some like Kal-El8 see Superman as the real person while others like svmos see Clark Kent as the real persona.

Agreed. Each interpretation has it's own merits. We all have our own view on the character and what makes him unique.

AS Superman, he shows that people can trust him and he serves as an example to other people to follow the right path: he can show his powers to the world, to benefit mankind. But as Superman, he can't act like himself because like everyone else, he has his fears, his doubts and so as an example, he cannot show them.

I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...

As SUPERMAN , Kal-EL doesn't have to hid his true Kryptonian self. He is free to be himself 100%. He is Kal-EL : son of Jor-EL & Lara , THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON . He wear's a super suit to use his amazing powers in public to help people who can't help themselves. He also Wear's his Family Crest with great pride and honor on his chest and on the back of his cape.

As Clark Kent [he hids himself both to his friends & Family] He tries to live like a normal human being,To be one of us. But no matter how much he tries, he will never be. [He's is an alien.]

Kal-El 8 pretty much nailed it, here. As Superman, he can use his powers in front of the world without fear and his suit is a symbol of his heritage and his people and he wears it proudly. That's something he could never do as Clark.

Think back to STM, when Clark was telling Pa Kent about his true abilities and always having to hide who he really is...

Clark Kent: "Is a person showing off when he's doing the things he's capable of doing? Is a bird showing off when it flies?"


The night Superman revealed himself to the world, for the first time in his life, he didn't have to hide who he really was and it felt great to him. As Clark, he's always trying to hide who he really is and what he can do.

Why do you I call him the true persona, Clark Kent instead of KaL-El?

Because he sees himself more as a human than kryptonian even if he knows he's not human.

See that's the thing. No matter how much he wants it, he'll never be one of them. That's something that Clark finally realized on this week's episode of Smallville. After years of running away from his true heritage, he's finally come to the realization of who he really is and what he must do now.

 

[BaK]

some people will just never "get" the line:

"He is more human then you can ever be..."

 

[avidreader]

I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

 

[The Caped Knight]

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than that of smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

Hello

before Lois knew The secret, SUPERMAN & Lois were in a relationship, not to mention as SUPERMAN [Clark] was able to show his true feelings he had for Lois .[In more ways than One.] heck some newspapers refered to Lois as SUPERMAN's girlfriend . The citizen's of Metropolis knew that as well as the rest of the world . [It really wasn't a secret that SUPERMAN & LOIS were involed in a relationship].

Even the JL members knew In Fact in one issue in The JL post-crisis comic Oliver was the first to ask Sups in one of their meetings @ the watchtower - "So When are you going to stop playing around and pop the question to that Reporter @ The Planet ... Lois Lane ?"]

 

[Scarlet Spider]

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

I don't think so. In the comics, Clark knew that if he were to ever have a future with Lois, he would have to tell her the truth and show her who he really is and what his true feelings are.

It's that very same reason that Clark lost Lana on Smallville. His secret pretty much destroyed their relationship. Not that I blame the guy, he tried telling her but because of circumstances that were out of his control, it just wasn't meant to be.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

I think a lot of people mistake the traits the Kents instilled in Clark growing up, as human traits. Good and Evil are universal themes. Jor-El and Lara were good people as well and if they had raised Clark, he would still have grown up to be the same man he is today.

IMO, Clark doesn't have a true human side. Yes, he is the man that he is because of his upbringing and that noble side of himself is more present than ever when he is Superman.

some people will just never "get" the line:

"He is more human then you can ever be..."

I much "prefer" the line:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

 

[The Caped Knight]

I much "prefer" the line:

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

WORD !!!!!!!​

 

[avidreader]

Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than the smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

You are so rude sometimes.

 

[The Caped Knight]

You are so rude sometimes.

I wasn't been rude, [i'm sorry if you took it that way.]

 

[avidreader]

I wasn't been rude, [i'm sorry if you took it that way.]

You dont think that its rude to tell me that my post doesnt make sense because I dont share in your love for comic book reading.

I may not have ever picked up a comic book, but it doesnt mean that I dont know what goes on in them and I first fell in love with the character of Superman when I was six years old which is at least twice as long ago as you are old.

I've read all the novels on the character that are out there, watched him in film and have read numerous articles as well.

And I stand by my original point that Superman cannot be in a relationship with anyone, which you also confirmed in your post by pointing out that Superman could not ask Lois Lane to marry him.

 

[M.O.Steel]

If we want to get technically, this smallville character of clark is actaully the real person. There is actually 3 versions of superman, we have Superman, the uniform, the cop, the law enforcer...then we have clark kent reporter, bubbling, the disguise, and non-attention grabbing reporter...and finally we have the real person, Kal-el, the one in smallville. The character in the show is the real person, who is a person who loves his humans and has human emotions alogn with his insecurities, but also saves others using his "heritage" and does good with it. But as he grows older and realizes that the two can't really be the same person, he split the two into clark kent reporter and superman, which are both extremes of his personalities, yet neither one is really him.

 

[triplet]

Jeez....

Let me off of this ride....

I think I'm going to hurl... It just keeps going around and around and around.

 

[heliorei]

Agreed. Each interpretation has it's own merits. We all have our own view on the character and what makes him unique.



I have to disagree with you here. The reason why I view Superman as the real persona, is because as Superman, he CAN be himself...



Kal-El 8 pretty much nailed it, here. As Superman, he can use his powers in front of the world without fear and his suit is a symbol of his heritage and his people and he wears it proudly. That's something he could never do as Clark.

Think back to STM, when Clark was telling Pa Kent about his true abilities and always having to hide who he really is...

Clark Kent: "Is a person showing off when he's doing the things he's capable of doing? Is a bird showing off when it flies?"


The night Superman revealed himself to the world, for the first time in his life, he didn't have to hide who he really was and it felt great to him. As Clark, he's always trying to hide who he really is and what he can do.



See that's the thing. No matter how much he wants it, he'll never be one of them. That's something that Clark finally realized on this week's episode of Smallville. After years of running away from his true heritage, he's finally come to the realization of who he really is and what he must do now.

The question you have to ask is this: If Superman is the true persona, why would he choose to have a life as a reporter, to have a job, a life as any ordinary person?

Because he relates himself more as a human than as a Kryptonian.

"Even though you've been raised as a human being, you are not one of them."

Your references are all Pre-Crisis: Superman the movie is one of them.

Your Quote came from Jor-El in the Superman: the Movie.

But can he? As Superman he has to set an example. He cant have a relationship with another person. He cant show what his true feelings are.

When he puts on the suit, he is still hiding a part of himself, that side being his human side.

Bingo! Thank you.

Question have you ever read a SUPERMAN COMIC BOOK or for that matter are familiar with any other incarnation of superman, other than that of smallville's version ?

Because if you did then you'd know that this statement that you made makes no sense.

Hello

before Lois knew The secret, SUPERMAN & Lois were in a relationship, not to mention as SUPERMAN [Clark] was able to show his true feelings he had for Lois .[In more ways than One.] heck some newspapers refered to Lois as SUPERMAN's girlfriend . The citizen's of Metropolis knew that as well as the rest of the world . [It really wasn't a secret that SUPERMAN & LOIS were involed in a relationship].

Even the JL members knew In Fact in one issue in The JL post-crisis comic Oliver was the first to ask Sups in one of their meetings @ the watchtower - "So When are you going to stop playing around and pop the question to that Reporter @ The Planet ... Lois Lane ?"

I too read the comics and avidreader's perfect sense to me and can you get proof about a Superman Lois relationship beyond friendship? And if it did, it had to be Pre-Crisis...

Because before Clark and Lois married, He tried to pursue a love relationship with Lois as Clark Kent not as Superman.

he even admitted himself if he wanted to pursue a love relationship with Lois as Superman, he would just had to snap his fingers and she would run to him.

besides as a married couple, how does Lois call him? Clark or Smallville...

Bruce Wayne/Batman? Clark...

Lois Lane as Superman's girlfriend? It pretty much ended when Lois married Clark. Besides, it was newspaper like Inquisitor, aka tabloids.

I agree with you when you say he's alien and with power like god thing and he can never be truly be one of us but he tries.

Because if he didnt see himself more related to humans, he would have chosen exile. Example: Kingdom Come.


BTw, check Up, Up Up and Away Part 3 (Superman 651) when Clark has a green lantern ring: he states himself as Clark Kent. And there's a lot more situations like this one I've mentioned.

Like I said before, we all have different perceptions of the character we all love.

In Pre-Crisis, Superman is the real deal, in post Crisis is Clark Kent.

Like I said before, IMHO, Superman and Metropolis Clark Kent are both extensions of his true character.

I believe the true character is the one we see in Smallville, the one who is completely free around the people who truly know him.

 

[RakuMon]

Here's how I feel about the Superman/Clark debate.

As an Asian American, I see this dillema the same way I see an adopted Asian child being raised by caucasian parents.

Let's say this child was raised to have all the traditions and culture of his new, White American family, and either didn't know or rejected his Asian heritage.

Would this child be considered Asian or caucasian?

See, I'm of two minds regarding this scenario. As an Asian person, it saddens me that this child may not ever truly know his heritage. On the other hand, if he was raised by a truly loving family, what does it matter? In this sense, the child is both. He is Asian by birth, but completely different culturally.

That's kind of how Clark is.

 

[RakuMon]

I don't know about you guys, buy this pic is screaming to have an \S/ manip'd on his chest!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/staticgallery8.htm

 

[blksuperman2]

I don't know about you guys, buy this pic is screaming to have an \S/ manip'd on his chest!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/staticgallery8.htm

He looks constipated to me.

 

[BaK]

In this sense, the child is both.

true..

but then, you'll always have those-that-just-don't-get-it to tell the child:
You are not one of us..

there are probably as many of them on earth, as there "were" on krypton..

 

[ariellem]

hey this is cool.....do you think we'll get a shot like this in the finale?

I *still* think this looks more like Rob Lowe as Superman than Tom Welling as Superman, no matter whose photo was used...

 

[superadam87]

Originally posted by neilzy at The Planet Forums