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The Dark Knight Too Dark for kids?

the hell it doesn't. these children are allowed access to this media from their idiot parents. and nine times out of ten, these parents don't bother teaching these children that what they're seeing or doing isn't something that they should be doing.

What gets me, what I've always found odd, is that so many places that people see violence paint it as something you shouldn't be doing as well. And people still do it. Actions speak louder than words and all that.
 
"Is The Dark Knight Too Dark For Kids?"

Why on earth are we questioning this???


The film is rated PG-13 which means PG-rated motion picture should be investigated by parents before they let their younger children attend. The PG rating indicates, in the view of the Rating Board, that parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, and parents should make that decision.

The more mature themes in some PG-rated motion pictures may call for parental guidance. There may be some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity. But these elements are not deemed so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned beyond the suggestion of parental guidance. There is no drug use content in a PG-rated motion picture.

But if you look at the Rating on the poster and the website the film is rated

"PG-13: PARENTS STRONGLY CAUTIONED: SOME MATERIAL MY BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN UNDER 13 : INTENSE SEQUENCES OF INTENSE VIOLENCE AND SOME MENACE"

is what the posters and the websites and the tv ads and trailers have on them which then means:

A PG-13 rating is a sterner warning by the Rating Board to parents to determine whether their children under age 13 should view the motion picture, as some material might not be suited for them. A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.


SO! with that warning slapped onto the film there should be NO QUESTION weather the film is "Too Dark" for kids. You should not be bringing the young anyway, the first clue to that is the first visual of the Joker when the trailer came along.

Given that the film is a STRONG PG-13 I think that they may even allow one of the curse words in it...The Ring was labeled with a Strong PG-13 and they dropped the F bomb. As well as a few other films over the past 4 years, some even have dropped the F bomb 2 times! now will the F bomb be in THE DARK KNIGHT? Maybe, Maybe not...If anything I believe you'll hear the S bomb. Oh Yeah.

So with that said - The Question is Mute because all in all what it comes down to is the Parent doing their job and Looking into the things that there kid wants to see.

I would sure as Hell NOT give my 10 year old a copy of GTA! And depending on how I did as a farther I may or may not bring him to see THE DARK KNIGHT. I would have to feel confident that I did a good job in showing him the Difference between what's real and whats reel. The Difference between whats Right and whats Wrong.

Knowing the information given by the MPAA on this film One should have NO questions on weather it will be too Dark and Too Intense for young viewers.

Even the Title should have been a clue: the DARK knight.

And the thing that really gets my water boiling - - -


You damn well know that once this film hits the screens A MASS of Parents are gunna ***** and moan "Oh it was too dark for my little one" "that movie was horrible, I can't beleave that they would do this..." and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH......

It happens all the time with stuff like this, and it's fustrating because you Just know that a parent doesn't do the job given. A kid of 6 wants GTA4 or wants to see SAW 47 and the parent is all like, sure let's go...and then the partent sees it then trashes the thing to death because of the content.

WELL MA AND PA maybe you should do your home work, just because your an adult doesnt mean that you don't have any home work to do any more..

AND WHILE I AM ON IT....

Lets talk about those parents whom "strangle" there kid by being TOO home work savy.

I mean those parents who are like "Tom & Jerry? no I don't want my kid growing up and thinking it's alright to beat the crap out of each other"

WTF!!!

Look lady, I grew up on Tom and Jerry, The Loony Tunes and Comic books and am I running around beating up TomJoe? NO!!! the reason, I had good parents who taught me that not everything you see on TV is real and not everything you see in the Moives is real...

I know a guy who has NEVER read Alice in wonder land...because his parents though that it was too "emotionaly damaging and violent"

REALLY?

What about dad? hasn't he grown up watching James Bond films? why isn't he running around shooting and sleeping around?

oh thats right he had parents who did their job...

Its like those parents who drop there kids off at the mall for 9 hours on the weekends...oh I don't want to deal with my kid so I'll let them hang out at the mall all day while i go and read US weekly. while the kids run a muck at the mall.


AH! GODS DAMN it!!!

I have to go I am getting to wound up over this....


DISCUSS.
 
the hell it doesn't. these children are allowed access to this media from their idiot parents. and nine times out of ten, these parents don't bother teaching these children that what they're seeing or doing isn't something that they should be doing. but that doesn't change the fact that young children are like blank slates. it doesn't matter how said children gain access to content that would be considered inappropriate. what matters is that they have access to it. and without proper guidance, this content will have a negative effect on them in the long run.

-WsS?

How do you not see the contradiction in what you just wrote? You can't simultaneously say that the media is inherently bad and that parents are to blame for exposing their kids to the content. The media is appropriate for people with a certain level of experience, knowledge, and a proper context--this is distinct from age. Recommended ages are given on ratings as they are approximations of when a child may have said life experience but it varies greatly with parenting, genetics, and the culture around the child.

A child who has a proper sense of right and wrong and is taught how to manage media can handle almost anything; a parent just has to step in and put everything into context. To say that there is certain media (especially out of the popular media being discussed) that kids CANNOT be exposed to under any and all circumstances (in regards to violent content; sexual is a completely different beast) lest they become violent themselves is unfounded.

Kids are never a "blank slate." People are genetically predisposed to many things and even if they were, a parent is unable to manage every individual media that a child experiences. School and the relationships it provides accounts for a huge amount of a child's development and parents are not free to completely manipulate their "blank slate" of a child by their selves.
 
Sure it's all the US's fault. I mean there weren't just 3 separate multiple stabbings in Japan (center of Tokyo no less), increased gang violence in the UK, and the same 2000 year old violence in the middle east; of course it is GTA and Manhunt that are to blame and not the people themselves.

We want to be able to blame movies and videogames for the human condition because that would be easy but that isn't reality; reality is that some people have ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be completely ****ed up.

The violence is crazy today, it really is.
I have had 2 lock downs go on for my college and last year 4 for my high school. You know there was a dead body in a car on the same street as my house that's been there for months - what's crazy there was a car accident right next to the area where I was helping with first aid.
And the video of that Virgina tech kid is horrible, it's true, there are too much violence exposed to kids. I've never had so many lock downs in school ever since that shooting. After reading to posts on here as well as reading spoilers about the violence (the joker pencil thread), kids shouldn't see the movie. Kids these days are very immature and most of them are emo (not saying Goths, emos are *****es that can't handle **** and are so emotional all the time).
 
It's not like theaters really enforce the PG-13 rating. I mean all PG-13 seems to mean that Parents are strongly cautioned. It's nothing like Rated R where you have to be 17 to see it. So kids can go see it no matter what age they are they don't have to be 13 to see it they can just buy a ticket.
 
This isn't about ratings as much as parents being logical and not selfish. Kids will see it and parents/aunts/uncles will take them, but it's a matter of bringing a 8-12 year old, or some of the bad parents bringing a 3-8 year old. It's not a matter of if a child that young "Can take it", it's more of a matter if you want to take the chance of viewing the film and the kid freaking out, surrounded by audience members who want to beat the living s#!t out of you for disturbing their first time viewing experience.
 
i was so happy 2 see this footage again and yea two face looks different than he did last year lol thank u post production.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that this isn't a movie for kids. That being said, parents will bring their children anyway, and some of them will piss and moan about the level of violence/ disturbing content in the film. It happens all the time; why should this be any different?
 
This isn't about ratings as much as parents being logical and not selfish. Kids will see it and parents/aunts/uncles will take them, but it's a matter of bringing a 8-12 year old, or some of the bad parents bringing a 3-8 year old. It's not a matter of if a child that young "Can take it", it's more of a matter if you want to take the chance of viewing the film and the kid freaking out, surrounded by audience members who want to beat the living s#!t out of you for disturbing their first time viewing experience.

Well I'd argue that if your kid "can take it" that he wouldn't freak out (though some kids are overanxious and will be loud at anything, especially if the like it) but you have a point. I honestly don't care what mental damage your kid does/does not suffer as long as he shuts the hell up while I enjoy the movie.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that this isn't a movie for kids. That being said, parents will bring their children anyway, and some of them will piss and moan about the level of violence/ disturbing content in the film. It happens all the time; why should this be any different?

It certainly doesn't look as kid-friendly as Batman and Robin. I think any parent should heavily investigate (watch the movie) before thinking their 9 year old can watch it. But as you said, many won't and will ***** about the content as if they weren't properly warned by the ratings, trailer, promotions, etc.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that this isn't a movie for kids. That being said, parents will bring their children anyway, and some of them will piss and moan about the level of violence/ disturbing content in the film. It happens all the time; why should this be any different?


here here man I was pissed off when kiddies screamed when Anakin got torched in Revenge of the Sith CAN'T WAIT 2 SEE THEM LOOK AT 2 FACE
 
I think once you have kids your mentality changes. If you're still acting the same way you did before you had kids when you have them, something is wrong. I can say my parents did **** for me when i was younger and I turned out fine, but my own kids are not me, some guys don't seem to get that.
 
Like most of you, I was terrified when I saw Jaws at age 8 but now I'm 18 and it's one of my favorite films ever. Maybe the kids who are frightened at this will learn to appreciate it in the future.
 
How do you not see the contradiction in what you just wrote? You can't simultaneously say that the media is inherently bad and that parents are to blame for exposing their kids to the content. The media is appropriate for people with a certain level of experience, knowledge, and a proper context--this is distinct from age. Recommended ages are given on ratings as they are approximations of when a child may have said life experience but it varies greatly with parenting, genetics, and the culture around the child.

I have no idea where you came up with this. I never once said media was evil. In fact, I don't think that it is. Not for someone old enough to realize that it is, in fact, only entertainment. But I do believe that parents should be held accountable for the content they allow their children to be exposed to. Especially when the material isn't age appropriate.

A child who has a proper sense of right and wrong and is taught how to manage media can handle almost anything; a parent just has to step in and put everything into context.

Exactly. But I'm not talking about responsible parenting, am I? If I were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

To say that there is certain media that kids CANNOT be exposed to under any and all circumstances lest they become violent themselves is unfounded.

This isn't necessarily true. Take for example the recent plot that was masterminded by a classroom of third graders. They created and nearly carried out an elaborate plot to kill their teacher. Ultimately, it was unsuccessful. But what if it had been? Would have learned more in regards to where this motivation to kill their teacher had come from? Most certainly. But since the plot wasn't successful, it faded out of the spotlight before such motivations could be established.

Now, here's the question: Where the hell do third graders learn how to kill their teacher? Is it from their genetics? Doubtful. Parents? Again, unlikely. Media? Definitely a possiblity. What other explanation could there be? I'm not saying it's the only explanation. But it's more than likely, one of these children watched something, or played something, that they shouldn't have. Took this information, and applied it to their life in the form of a plot to kill their teacher.

Here's the next question: Why did the rest of the class decide to go along with this plot? Because they were all evil children that had been abused by their parents? Not likely. Because the devil told them to? Probably not. Because children are impressionable? I think so.

Which ties into:

Kids are never a "blank slate." People are genetically predisposed to many things and even if they weren't, a parent is unable to manage every individual media that a child experiences. School and the relationships it provides accounts for a huge amount of a child's development and parents are not free to completely manipulate their "blank slate" of a child by their selves.

What a bunch of crap. You can play the genetics angle all you want. But a newborn baby is a blank slate in the most literal sense of the word. The child knows nothing of good and evil, right and wrong, etc. It's the responsibility of their parents to teach them these things over the course of the next several years. To give them context. To provide them with the guidance they need to learn for themselves the difference between right and wrong. To tell them when something they're doing is wrong. To screen what they watch and play. And if a parent ignores these needs, the child learns these things from wherever it can, television, film, games, neighbors, friends, etc. And that's when problems arise. Because it is not the needs of the child that are being directly addressed, the chances of the child learning the wrong lessons is all to likely.

Take this film for example.

You have a Parent/Guardian, we'll call him Tom, that decides to bring a child, we'll call him Jerry, to see the Dark Knight.

Tom is a lousy parent. Never spends that much time with Jerry. Doesn't pay much attention to him. Doesn't screen the television he watches or the games he plays. He's too busy with his own life to worry about that sort of thing. But decides that because Jerry likes Batman, he's going to bring him to see this movie, in an effort to be a "good dad." Well, Jerry loves the movie. It's a little to omuch in spots. But hey, it's BATMAN! Problem is, because the kid was never taught that beating people up isn't something that you should do, he decides to beat his friend up the next time they're playing. "Well hey! Batman beat the tar out of the Joker, so why can't I beat up my friend? He's playing Joker, I'm playing Batman!"

You see where I'm going with this?

-WsS?
 
I have no idea where you came up with this. I never once said media was evil. In fact, I don't think that it is. Not for someone old enough to realize that it is, in fact, only entertainment. But I do believe that parents should be held accountable for the content they allow their children to be exposed to. Especially when the material isn't age appropriate.



Exactly. But I'm not talking about responsible parenting, am I? If I were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.



This isn't necessarily true. Take for example the recent plot that was masterminded by a classroom of third graders. They created and nearly carried out an elaborate plot to kill their teacher. Ultimately, it was unsuccessful. But what if it had been? Would have learned more in regards to where this motivation to kill their teacher had come from? Most certainly. But since the plot wasn't successful, it faded out of the spotlight before such motivations could be established.

Now, here's the question: Where the hell do third graders learn how to kill their teacher? Is it from their genetics? Doubtful. Parents? Again, unlikely. Media? Definitely a possiblity. What other explanation could there be? I'm not saying it's the only explanation. But it's more than likely, one of these children watched something, or played something, that they shouldn't have. Took this information, and applied it to their life in the form of a plot to kill their teacher.

Here's the next question: Why did the rest of the class decide to go along with this plot? Because they were all evil children that had been abused by their parents? Not likely. Because the devil told them to? Probably not. Because children are impressionable? I think so.

Which ties into:



What a bunch of crap. You can play the genetics angle all you want. But a newborn baby is a blank slate in the most literal sense of the word. The child knows nothing of good and evil, right and wrong, etc. It's the responsibility of their parents to teach them these things over the course of the next several years. To give them context. To provide them with the guidance they need to learn for themselves the difference between right and wrong. To tell them when something they're doing is wrong. To screen what they watch and play. And if a parent ignores these needs, the child learns these things from wherever it can, television, film, games, neighbors, friends, etc. And that's when problems arise. Because it is not the needs of the child that are being directly addressed, the chances of the child learning the wrong lessons is all to likely.

Take this film for example.

You have a Parent/Guardian, we'll call him Tom, that decides to bring a child, we'll call him Jerry, to see the Dark Knight.

Tom is a lousy parent. Never spends that much time with Jerry. Doesn't pay much attention to him. Doesn't screen the television he watches or the games he plays. He's too busy with his own life to worry about that sort of thing. But decides that because Jerry likes Batman, he's going to bring him to see this movie, in an effort to be a "good dad." Well, Jerry loves the movie. It's a little to omuch in spots. But hey, it's BATMAN! Problem is, because the kid was never taught that beating people up isn't something that you should do, he decides to beat his friend up the next time they're playing. "Well hey! Batman beat the tar out of the Joker, so why can't I beat up my friend? He's playing Joker, I'm playing Batman!"

You see where I'm going with this?

-WsS?
I do, very well put. On my note, as I said before it depends on the kid. If you have seen them scared for clowns and other explosions, DONT TAKE THEM, if you want to see it and force your kids to see it, then same on you for being selfish. Show the kids the trailer first then see if they want to show them tv spots....see if they can handle it first.
 
I have no idea where you came up with this. I never once said media was evil. In fact, I don't think that it is. Not for someone old enough to realize that it is, in fact, only entertainment. But I do believe that parents should be held accountable for the content they allow their children to be exposed to. Especially when the material isn't age appropriate.



Exactly. But I'm not talking about responsible parenting, am I? If I were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.



This isn't necessarily true. Take for example the recent plot that was masterminded by a classroom of third graders. They created and nearly carried out an elaborate plot to kill their teacher. Ultimately, it was unsuccessful. But what if it had been? Would have learned more in regards to where this motivation to kill their teacher had come from? Most certainly. But since the plot wasn't successful, it faded out of the spotlight before such motivations could be established.

Now, here's the question: Where the hell do third graders learn how to kill their teacher? Is it from their genetics? Doubtful. Parents? Again, unlikely. Media? Definitely a possiblity. What other explanation could there be? I'm not saying it's the only explanation. But it's more than likely, one of these children watched something, or played something, that they shouldn't have. Took this information, and applied it to their life in the form of a plot to kill their teacher.

Here's the next question: Why did the rest of the class decide to go along with this plot? Because they were all evil children that had been abused by their parents? Not likely. Because the devil told them to? Probably not. Because children are impressionable? I think so.

Which ties into:



What a bunch of crap. You can play the genetics angle all you want. But a newborn baby is a blank slate in the most literal sense of the word. The child knows nothing of good and evil, right and wrong, etc. It's the responsibility of their parents to teach them these things over the course of the next several years. To give them context. To provide them with the guidance they need to learn for themselves the difference between right and wrong. To tell them when something they're doing is wrong. To screen what they watch and play. And if a parent ignores these needs, the child learns these things from wherever it can, television, film, games, neighbors, friends, etc. And that's when problems arise. Because it is not the needs of the child that are being directly addressed, the chances of the child learning the wrong lessons is all to likely.

Take this film for example.

You have a Parent/Guardian, we'll call him Tom, that decides to bring a child, we'll call him Jerry, to see the Dark Knight.

Tom is a lousy parent. Never spends that much time with Jerry. Doesn't pay much attention to him. Doesn't screen the television he watches or the games he plays. He's too busy with his own life to worry about that sort of thing. But decides that because Jerry likes Batman, he's going to bring him to see this movie, in an effort to be a "good dad." Well, Jerry loves the movie. It's a little to omuch in spots. But hey, it's BATMAN! Problem is, because the kid was never taught that beating people up isn't something that you should do, he decides to beat his friend up the next time they're playing. "Well hey! Batman beat the tar out of the Joker, so why can't I beat up my friend? He's playing Joker, I'm playing Batman!"

You see where I'm going with this?

-WsS?

It is always about the parenting, not the content. It isn't as simple as "kids shouldn't see this content." The scenario wasn't: "the kid shouldn't have been exposed to this," it is, "the kids should have been talked to and explained the context of the movie."

Your example of third graders, which I read about, is null. It isn't watching the film or tv or whatever you are suggesting that is the problem, it is the lack of a proper frame of reference to place it in. What you are saying when you state that children got the idea from television is either:
1. the kids were given both the will and the way to hurt their teacher through watching something or
2. the kids had the motivation to hurt their teacher and were provided a method by television.

Both are laughable. There is no conclusive proof that tv/film makes any normal (if they aren't normal in this case then they are predisposed) person do anything they don't already want to do and if the children already wanted to hurt their teacher, then how exactly did tv make a difference?

How can you NOT be talking about responsible parenting? The entire argument is contingent upon how the child was raised. You can't just say that all children exist in a vacuum filled with nothing but media and upon watching it they will be influenced; all children have influence from their parents, school, and the media.

You can't talk about the influence of media on a child without talking about the environment (and the people in it) around him. You say you aren't talking about the influence of parents but it is absolutely vital to your argument and you spend quite a while talking about it--you even agree with me that it is the context that is important and not necessarily the content. In a way I am really just further specifying what you are saying, which is: it isn't just screening what a child watches or does that is important but having the child know why and helping them understand the media's place in the world.
 
From what i have been reading this is definitely not for children.
Last week they actually carded my brother when we went to see Wanted and he's 27.
Then right behind us there was a family with small children who all looked under 5 and they sat right in the front row.
 
the movie is rated 16 here in holland. i did not expect that.
so kids prob wont get in.
and it means i have to take my id card with me when i go see it :(
 
For everyone saying "of course children shouldn't see it if it's PG-13!" I think we're forgetting that this film is being marketed to children through toys and games and because it's BATMAN. So it's not just irresponsible parents in this case, but the executives that are milking the franchise as well.

It is always about the parenting, not the content. It isn't as simple as "kids shouldn't see this content." The scenario wasn't: "the kid shouldn't have been exposed to this," it is, "the kids should have been talked to and explained the context of the movie."

Your example of third graders, which I read about, is null. It isn't watching the film or tv or whatever you are suggesting that is the problem, it is the lack of a proper frame of reference to place it in. What you are saying when you state that children got the idea from television is either:
1. the kids were given both the will and the way to hurt their teacher through watching something or
2. the kids had the motivation to hurt their teacher and were provided a method by television.

Both are laughable. There is no conclusive proof that tv/film makes any normal (if they aren't normal in this case then they are predisposed) person do anything they don't already want to do and if the children already wanted to hurt their teacher, then how exactly did tv make a difference?

How can you NOT be talking about responsible parenting? The entire argument is contingent upon how the child was raised. You can't just say that all children exist in a vacuum filled with nothing but media and upon watching it they will be influenced; all children have influence from their parents, school, and the media.

You can't talk about the influence of media on a child without talking about the environment (and the people in it) around him. You say you aren't talking about the influence of parents but it is absolutely vital to your argument and you spend quite a while talking about it--you even agree with me that it is the context that is important and not necessarily the content. In a way I am really just further specifying what you are saying, which is: it isn't just screening what a child watches or does that is important but having the child know why and helping them understand the media's place in the world.

It's interesting to note that the children in that 3rd grader case were in a special ed class.

What I'm wondering is why reactions have to be extreme to warrent attention. For example, kids probably won't go blow someone's head off with their dad's shotgun just because they saw it in GTA. But that doesn't mean it's not going to effect their view of weapons, murder and human life in conjunction with entertainment.

Just because a child is in an environment that doesn't facilitate personal violent behavior, why would it make it any more okay to expose them to characters acting violently against others through a video game (or any other media)? It's really sending a mixed message, if anything. It makes the explaination of media's "place in the world" more complicated than it should be for children.

I mean, many adults have difficulty with these things; moral contradictions, fantasy and reality. It is unfair to demand that children deal with these issues like adults do. Childhood is all about living in a world fantasy and possiblity. With movies like TDK being so widely visible, it makes it hard for parents to allow their children's imaginations run wild without risking dangerous behavior.

Another thing is, children are not usually that dim. Even if some material in film and tv will go over their heads, other material that many adults think they won't understand is still picked up on. I can only speak personally on this from my own childhood, but I distinctly remember instances when adult themes hovered in movies that my parents didn't think I'd notice, and those themes drew me in specifically for that reason.

It can, even though not soley, add a "weight" to childhood that is really unneccessary because it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for media.

So saying simply that it's more than just media that effects children, or that kids don't understand these things anyway, or it's obvious that the movie isn't for kids, is overlooking a lot of factors.
 
Just because a child is in an environment that doesn't facilitate personal violent behavior, why would it make it any more okay to expose them to characters acting violently against others through a video game (or any other media)? It's really sending a mixed message, if anything. It makes the explaination of media's "place in the world" more complicated than it should be for children.

At what point do you teach children that violence exists and that some people find it entertaining? Ten bucks they've already learned this via cartoons.

I mean, many adults have difficulty with these things; moral contradictions, fantasy and reality. It is unfair to demand that children deal with these issues like adults do. Childhood is all about living in a world fantasy and possiblity. With movies like TDK being so widely visible, it makes it hard for parents to allow their children's imaginations run wild without risking dangerous behavior.

You can't shelter them forever. You have to teach them the difference between cinematic violence and real violence at some point.
 
it's true on what you just said Guard.

It's just knowing what's right and wrong; fantasy from reality...
 
At what point do you teach children that violence exists and that some people find it entertaining? Ten bucks they've already learned this via cartoons.







You can't shelter them forever. You have to teach them the difference between cinematic violence and real violence at some point.



Cartoons do not show real violence, or show how it really exists. Children learn automatically that it exists, anyway.



An important part of telling the difference between fantasy and reality is having the knowledge of what reality is. Kids just haven't lived long enough to see as many aspects of reality, and ideally as a child grows they will. So understanding the difference between cinematic violence and real violence would be a slower process than just expecting a child to get it if you tell them enough times, and the intake of fantasy that mimics reality would ideally be regulated as the child gets older and becomes an adult. Is that unreasonable?
 
So saying simply that it's more than just media that effects children, or that kids don't understand these things anyway, or it's obvious that the movie isn't for kids, is overlooking a lot of factors.

That makes no sense. How is saying that there is more than just the media that affects children overlooking other factors? Saying that there is more than just the media that influences children specifically points out that there are other factors.

At some point a kid has to learn about the role of violence in our society--hopefully learning that it has little place in the real world but can be worth exploring in fiction. You can't simply "at this age this person can handle this." Everyone develops at a different pace and some kids understand the value of life very young and some never ever do. We have to play it by ear and use our best judgment but simply burying our kids' heads into the sand until they reach a certain arbitrary age is not the best way to go about things; we need to be able to assess our own children and while we want to protect them, they have to be prepared to defend themselves from the many tribulations they will face.
 
Cartoons do not show real violence, or show how it really exists. Children learn automatically that it exists, anyway.



An important part of telling the difference between fantasy and reality is having the knowledge of what reality is. Kids just haven't lived long enough to see as many aspects of reality, and ideally as a child grows they will. So understanding the difference between cinematic violence and real violence would be a slower process than just expecting a child to get it if you tell them enough times, and the intake of fantasy that mimics reality would ideally be regulated as the child gets older and becomes an adult. Is that unreasonable?

No it isn't unreasonable, but who is to say at what point a child can handle anything? Bruce Wayne is fictional, but he obviously stopped being a child when he was 8 years old. Many others never grow up and are never able to face reality.

I don't advocate forcing young kids to watch potentially disturbing things but neither should we pretend they don't exist. Part of being a parent is knowing when the time is right and if you don't help your child learn early, someone or something else, including reality (your untimely accidental death, for instance), will do it for you.
 

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