The Dark Knight Too Much Realism?

[Smit84]

Goyer stated it, I believe. But I thought he and Nolan were on the same page, and I'm pretty sure that they wrote the story together. So if it turns out that this is indeed the end of Harvey, then I'll feel quite betrayed.

I have a feeling you won't after you've seen the movie.

 

[Reek]

batmite and metalhead thank you. when writing the top post that was one point i meant to add, but in the jist of my gibberjabber i forgot. but thats def a reason i feel like this death could be BS, could be a memorial for harvey alone, or face faking his death. but then again, it looks to be true that hes gone.

 

[Bat-Mite]

I have a feeling you won't after you've seen the movie.

Probably not. That's why I'm gonna wait until I've seen the film for myself before making my final judgment on what happens.

 

[Harrygucha]

Thanks to the Chinese Government, Nolan wasn't able to have Batman jump off the building for real. (You can see the CGI version in the film, and in the tv. spots.) Nolan was gonna do the jump for real; they were practicing it with Buster Reeves. A shame they weren't allowed to have an extra chopper in the sky. That would have been spectatcular.

Anyway, here is buster, in pre-production practicing that jump...the jump that was finally digitized, thanks to the chinese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTHTQFw2tCM

 

[sasquatchs]

What on earth does any of this stuff have to do with realism? How can anyone seriously suggest Two-Face is being killed off because he'd suffer from infection? It's just what goes with their character arc, I don't see how it'd be any different with the most fantastical of approaches. Only places I see reality creeping in this time (mostly absent in Begins) are choices having real consequence and a lack of easy answers

 

[DeaDheaD]

I dont think realism is the problem, I think Heath dying is the problem. Its seems like Nolan made this movie as the life of Two-Face with a big Joker payoff coming in the third one, now its up in the air whats gonna happen

 

[BatFan1986]

Just because your face was badly burnt does NOT mean that you would die from an infection...Good lord, we've been over this already I posted links to prove my point...Links to real life burns and horrific accidents more "real" than Nolan's films.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

We won't know for sure until we see TDK.

From the outset, knowing Harvey was in this film...I thought Two-Face would be the main baddie for the next one.

Seemed like the right idea to me.

 

[Boom]

Search burn victims on Google. Be prepared to see some brutal stuff.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You mean facial burn victims, right?

 

[Laderlappen]

anyone else feel like this might take the 'realism' aspect way to far for a superhero flick?

dont take this the wrong way, this movie is going to own ass. but with the new 'rumors' , that seem to be 100% true because of the sources they came from, it just seems like this could lose its superhero feel and jsut be a regular action movie.

That's the whole point. It shouldnt feel like a superhero movie. It should have the same feeling as many thrillers and action films and detective stories. It still has some "unrealistic" things like Two-face, Batman driving the tank on roof tops, etc. But no movies are totally realistic. So I dont agree with you that it is 'too realistic'.

 

[The Guard]

I think it's just realistic enough. It's about time the story dealt with the "issues" surrounding Batman's vigilante nature, rather than glossing over them with a quick line or two. I love the fact that we're seeing copycat vigilantes, the escalating nature of his villains and Batman's impact on his friends and allies, cops and Gothamites questioning Batman's actions, and even Bruce wondering if he does more harm than good as Batman. I just hope it's actually explored, not summed up in a few key lines of dialogue.

 

[Spade]

Batman and his world work best for me when there's a sense of "hyperrealism." It may be selfish of me, but since Nolan's films appeal to my tastes I don't complain over it. I'm not saying that I want a "realistic" Batman (which would be impossible), but one whose world is much like our own but with more possibility.

This entire Two-Face issue is going to become a whole new ball of wax; I can see that much already. But I don't think Nolan's doing wrong by him. Harvey's face is gnarly? Check. He's cracked under pressure? Check. All that's left is the writing, and from what I hear the entire film works to validate Two-Face's actions, however fleeting. If you ask me, all of this "Two-Face = Venom" nonsense is just that...nonsense. Invest time in a character, watch them get 5 minutes of exposition with an action beat that's just as brief, and then tell me the two compare. Brock got a blip in a movie of the same length. This whole show's about Harvey's descent. It's apples and oranges here, folks.

 

[Dr.Omega]

thats probably my main gripe probably why well never see villains like clayface or mr.freeze

 

[sasquatchs]

I think it's just realistic enough. It's about time the story dealt with the "issues" surrounding Batman's vigilante nature, rather than glossing over them with a quick line or two. I love the fact that we're seeing copycat vigilantes, the escalating nature of his villains and Batman's impact on his friends and allies, cops and Gothamites questioning Batman's actions, and even Bruce wondering if he does more harm than good as Batman. I just hope it's actually explored, not summed up in a few key lines of dialogue.

Exactly, this is the kind of thing where it's actually worthwhile, and took Begins down a notch for skimming over some of his actions. Pretty much everything on my wishlist has made it in, the reporter character's particularly interesting. He seems like the most efficient way to get public opinion across without it becoming cornball, and we have a villain who pushes the city's buttons as much as Batmans. Makes the stakes seem so much larger

 

[Naite22]

SPOILERS.

ILL REPEAT THAT

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS IN HERE. TDK SPOILERS, IM SPOILERS AND TIH SPOILERS. (kinda for IM and TIH, but nothing that will upset anyone)

anyone else feel like this might take the 'realism' aspect way to far for a superhero flick?

dont take this the wrong way, this movie is going to own ass. but with the new 'rumors' , that seem to be 100% true because of the sources they came from, it just seems like this could lose its superhero feel and just be a regular action movie. sure we have batman and the joker and two face...but we also have SPOILERS .... batman apparently going on the run from the cops again, hes been running from them all of BB (with the exception of gordon), and 2face dying apparently.

i immediately assume if face is dying, its gotta be from poisoning or infection or something. unless nolan just has him shot after 25 min of screen time. the realism side would be infection, poisoning...lets hope its a funeral for Harvey. and not for twoface. i have a feeling they have a funeral for Harvey bc he has gone so overboard crazy they want to remember who he was, not what he has become now.

batman on the run from the police and people blaming him for whats going on...i mean, realistically, the batman would have the cops all over his ass. but then again, what superhero wouldnt have the entire us govt on their ass? hopefully its more of a half the city loves batman, half the city doesnt type of thing. but he is a hero, and after 2 full movies of him being questionable, why not make it a question answered that he is here for good and when the cops cant control the craziness that is gotham city, the batman goes in. that is more of a superhero flick.

however, it would be a very interesting path nolan would take, 100% diff from the other films (spidey, supes)

hell even in the end of TIH and IM they were recognized as heroes...Hulk went on the run yes, but he can control it now. and u can bet your ass hes not gonna be on the run the entire time when new york is attacked by some beast again


again dont get me wrong, this movie will own. it will most likely be the best SH/Comic movie of all time, atleast among the best.

hopefully all that made sense

flame away



NOTE: This is all based on speculation. Nothing has been proven as FACT yet, but it might as well be given the sources.

Jeez.... NOTHING will be regular about this movie!!! That's the whole ****ing point!

 

[zmystico]

I love the realism of Nolan's films, so far he hasn't introduced so far fetch that its out of the realm of possibilty, no probable, but not improbable. Nolan's scarce use of CGI also helps make the fims more realistic. As entertaining as it would be to see Batman flying through the air leaping rooftop to rooftop like in the comics, it just wouldn't fit in a film. Batman is a superhero, but he's not superhuman as far as magic powers or mutated DNA, his "super" is from training and dedication and intelligence, his movies should be different from Superman/Spider/The X-Men.

 

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

how does everyone know Two-Face dies??

 

[laudanum09]

^multiple reviews and message board QandA sessions with the people from the geek-press who have seen it early.

 

[comic_book_guy]

i know what your saying, i think that the movie will still turn out awesome though

 

[Bridog72]

SPOILERS.

ILL REPEAT THAT

THERE WILL BE SPOILERS IN HERE. TDK SPOILERS, IM SPOILERS AND TIH SPOILERS. (kinda for IM and TIH, but nothing that will upset anyone)

anyone else feel like this might take the 'realism' aspect way to far for a superhero flick?

dont take this the wrong way, this movie is going to own ass. but with the new 'rumors' , that seem to be 100% true because of the sources they came from, it just seems like this could lose its superhero feel and jsut be a regular action movie. sure we have batman and the joker and two face...but we also have SPOILERS .... batman apparently going on the run from the cops again, hes been running from them all of BB (with the exception of gordon), and 2face dying apparently.

i immediately assume if face is dying, its gotta be from poisoning or infection or something. unless nolan just has him shot after 25 min of screen time. the realism side would be infection, poisoning...lets hope its a funeral for Harvey. and not for twoface. i have a feeling they have a funeral for Harvey bc he has gone so overboard crazy they want to remember who he was, not what he has become now.

batman on the run from the police and people blaming him for whats going on...i mean, realistically, the batman would have the cops all over his ass. but then again, what superhero wouldnt have the entire us govt on their ass? hopefully its more of a half the city loves batman, half the city doesnt type of thing. but he is a hero, and after 2 full movies of him being questionable, why not make it a question answered that he is here for good and when the cops cant control the craziness that is gotham city, the batman goes in. that is more of a superhero flick.

however, it would be a very interesting path nolan would take, 100% diff from the other films (spidey, supes)

hell even in the end of TIH and IM they were recognized as heroes...Hulk went on the run yes, but he can control it now. and u can bet your ass hes not gonna be on the run the entire time when new york is attacked by some beast again


again dont get me wrong, this movie will own. it will most likely be the best SH/Comic movie of all time, atleast among the best.

hopefully all that made sense

flame away



NOTE: This is all based on speculation. Nothing has been proven as FACT yet, but it might as well be given the sources.

No

 

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

if Nolan thinks the Penguin(a short mob boss with a limp and some umbrella weapons) is too far fetched then i guess thats it for this franchise all we got now is probably riddler and mad hatter even though people like this guy exists in the real world..

http://www.bobiland.com/worldwide/image/lizard_man_1.jpg

his movies are too realistic even for reality...

 

[Bat-Mite]

if Nolan thinks the Penguin(a short mob boss with a limp and some umbrella weapons) is too far fetched then i guess thats it for this franchise all we got now is probably riddler and mad hatter even though people like this guy exists in the real world..

his movies are too realistic even for reality...

Actually, I think he doesn't want Penguin just because Penguin's difficult to make interesting. Because in terms of realism, Penguin would actually be one of the easiest to do. Even Tim Burton didn't think Penguin was interesting, which is why he changed him up so much in Batman Returns. And there are plenty of other villains within the realm of realism that could be used... Bane (although I can't stand him), Catwoman, the Ventriloquist, Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc.

 

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

Actually, I think he doesn't want Penguin just because Penguin's difficult to make interesting. Because in terms of realism, Penguin would actually be one of the easiest to do. Even Tim Burton didn't think Penguin was interesting, which is why he changed him up so much in Batman Returns. And there are plenty of other villains within the realm of realism that could be used... Bane (although I can't stand him), Catwoman, the Ventriloquist, Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc.

still he could atleast give him a scarecrow like role.. Bob Hoskins was born to play penguin and he isnt getting any younger

 

[omerhead]

If theres too much excessive realism in Nolan's Batman Films, the TDK Joker would have worn a Slipknot type of mask by now but Nolan did not do that to The Joker and Scarecrow would have been a psycho that tortures people and doesn't use fear gas in BB.