Animation Toy Story 5

I always had a lot of fun with it. It's got a surprisingly dark and twisted atmosphere about it.
 
Re-watched TS4 yesterday night. I've decided I still rather like it. :DV: In some ways it feels like more of a throwback to the original film, what with the pronounced focus on Woody and Buzz at the expense of the other toys, and Buzz being somewhat self-unaware in some ways (not understanding that he's a toy in the OG, not knowing what a conscience or 'inner voice' is in TS4) and being played more for laughs than he is in TS2&3. That's not counting Spanish Buzz lol.
 
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Andrew Stanton directing is a step in the right direction.

If the movie is about Andy on a mission to get his toys back, then I’m ten toes down for it.
 
Stanton is one of the old guard at Pixar so that's one thing it's got going for it.
 
I wonder how their animation is going to evolve? Real-life looking visuals like The Lion King CGI movie? Less cartooney character models?
 
I wonder how their animation is going to evolve? Real-life looking visuals like The Lion King CGI movie? Less cartooney character models?
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Toy Story ranks among my favourite film franchises alongside the Indiana Jones Saga, John Wick, The Dark Knight Trilogy, and Back to the Future.

Toy Story 4...really did not do it for me. It's a really good film - just not a great Toy Story film.
  • The sidelining of side-characters was a bummer, but not unforgivable. Buzz's character being completely gutted is in that category of unforgivable, though.
  • Woody at the end of Toy Story 3 - and in the subsequent shorts - made peace with leaving Andy behind and starting a new chapter. To retcon that development and undo that beautiful ending of the third film was just not necessary. Woody can 100% have a crisis of "Will I be okay not being as loved by a new child as Andy loved me?" - that's compelling! And adds to Woody's depth as a character. But having him still hung up on Andy felt like a regression.
  • Gabby-Gabby. She was a great villain - but the resolution to her story was an awful message, honestly. She felt 'defective' for lacking a voice-box - which would be a great metaphor for children born with a disability. So...that being the case - her achieving happiness solely from having that disability 'fixed' is a really sour, sad message to send to children. Like...wow. That's NOT a good message, honestly. What should've happened is Woody or another toy should've shown Gabby-Gabby that she is 100% worth being loved by a child as she always is - and that the only thing stopping her is her own fear. She puts herself out there and gets adopted. That's a far healthier message to send to children than 'fix your disability and you'll be loved'. Do I think the latter message was the intent? No. But I think not seeing how this would come across is very tone-deaf.
  • Woody being mutilated. His pull-string is iconic - removing it for the already problematic resolution for the villain, being guilted into doing it - leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
  • The gang splitting up. One of the comforts that made Andy moving on go down a lot easier for viewers was the reassurance that our core gang we grew up with and loved were still together. Having Woody up and leave...that stings.
  • I always said the ending should've been a mirror of the start - Woody on one side of the rail on the carousel with Bo-Peep on the other side (just like the box at the start of the film) with Woody being the one asking for her to come with him, this time. And they make a pact that once Bonnie grows up - that's when Woody/Bo will go off on adventures together. Woody and the gang get more time together, Bo Peep gets to still be a free spirit with Woody later on, and the gang gets more time with Bo Peep that they'd been robbed of when she was given away.
  • Woody leaving the group after feeling unplayed with enough felt like a betrayal of the heart of the series. "It doesn't matter how much we're played with - what matters is that we're here for [child] when they need us, that's what we're made for, right?"
Toy Story 4's ending - especially the panning shot of the toys - felt very manipulative. That shot, I remember in the theater - going "Oh...this is Pixar going 'now is when you cry'." It didn't feel earned and like I said...manipulative.

All this to say...I kind of welcome Toy Story 5. Is it unnecessary? Oh, I'm sure!

But I think that the director is promising and I believe that he's likely heard loud and clear the fans' feelings about how the last film ended, and this has a chance to be an ending that satisfies everyone.

I'm under no delusion that my opinion on Toy Story 4 is the majority consensus. That film was acclaimed by audiences and critics, full-stop. It was a huge hit. But I do think that Pixar/Toy Story fans (and we are a minority) have made enough noise that there will be some taking into account for the next film.

Toy Story may end up like the Indiana Jones series. A 5 film series where the 3rd was the best ending, overall. A controversial 4th film was made - and a 5th film releases and fares a lot better with hardcore fans/audiences/critics and ends the series on a much better film overall but still isn't thought of as reaching the heights of the original 3. But regardless, 3 is still considered the 'best' ending.

I can live with that.
I have hope that 5 will be better, for fans like me.
 
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Toy Story ranks among my favourite film franchises alongside the Indiana Jones Saga, John Wick, The Dark Knight Trilogy, and Back to the Future.

Toy Story 4...really did not do it for me. It's a really good film - just not a great Toy Story film.
  • The sidelining of side-characters was a bummer, but not unforgivable. Buzz's character being completely gutted is in that category of unforgivable, though.
  • Woody at the end of Toy Story 3 - and in the subsequent shorts - made peace with leaving Andy behind and starting a new chapter. To retcon that development and undo that beautiful ending of the third film was just not necessary. Woody can 100% have a crisis of "Will I be okay not being as loved by a new child as Andy loved me?" - that's compelling! And adds to Woody's depth as a character. But having him still hung up on Andy felt like a regression.
  • Gabby-Gabby. She was a great villain - but the resolution to her story was an awful message, honestly. She felt 'defective' for lacking a voice-box - which would be a great metaphor for children born with a disability. So...that being the case - her achieving happiness solely from having that disability 'fixed' is a really sour, sad message to send to children. Like...wow. That's NOT a good message, honestly. What should've happened is Woody or another toy should've shown Gabby-Gabby that she is 100% worth being loved by a child as she always is - and that the only thing stopping her is her own fear. She puts herself out there and gets adopted. That's a far healthier message to send to children than 'fix your disability and you'll be loved'. Do I think the latter message was the intent? No. But I think not seeing how this would come across is very tone-deaf.
  • Woody being mutilated. His pull-string is iconic - removing it for the already problematic resolution for the villain, being guilted into doing it - leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
  • The gang splitting up. One of the comforts that made Andy moving on go down a lot easier for viewers was the reassurance that our core gang we grew up with and loved were still together. Having Woody up and leave...that stings.
  • I always said the ending should've been a mirror of the start - Woody on one side of the rail on the carousel with Bo-Peep on the other side (just like the box at the start of the film) with Woody being the one asking for her to come with him, this time. And they make a pact that once Bonnie grows up - that's when Woody/Bo will go off on adventures together. Woody and the gang get more time together, Bo Peep gets to still be a free spirit with Woody later on, and the gang gets more time with Bo Peep that they'd been robbed of when she was given away.
  • Woody leaving the group after feeling unplayed with enough felt like a betrayal of the heart of the series. "It doesn't matter how much we're played with - what matters is that we're here for [child] when they need us, that's what we're made for, right?"
Toy Story 4's ending - especially the panning shot of the toys - felt very manipulative. That shot, I remember in the theater - going "Oh...this is Pixar going 'now is when you cry'." It didn't feel earned and like I said...manipulative.

All this to say...I kind of welcome Toy Story 5. Is it unnecessary? Oh, I'm sure!

But I think that the director is promising and I believe that he's likely heard loud and clear the fans' feelings about how the last film ended, and this has a chance to be an ending that satisfies everyone.

I'm under no delusion that my opinion on Toy Story 4 is the majority consensus. That film was acclaimed by audiences and critics, full-stop. It was a huge hit. But I do think that Pixar/Toy Story fans (and we are a minority) have made enough noise that there will be some taking into account for the next film.

Toy Story may end up like the Indiana Jones series. A 5 film series where the 3rd was the best ending, overall. A controversial 4th film was made - and a 5th film releases and fares a lot better with hardcore fans/audiences/critics and ends the series on a much better film overall but still isn't thought of as reaching the heights of the original 3. But regardless, 3 is still considered the 'best' ending.

I can live with that.
I have hope that 5 will be better, for fans like me.
I agree with pretty much everything you said except now I'm not so sure they'll stop at 5 since they're seemingly being mandated to focus on sequels to their big IPs. As good a movie as Inside Out 2 is, I'm a little worried that its better than expected success at the box office is sending the wrong message that audiences only want sequels from Pixar. In certain cases they're welcomed, like I'm sure no one would be opposed to an Incredibles 3, but to continue churning out Toy Story sequels where Woody and Buzz are speaking with the 70-year-old voices of Tom Hanks and Tim Allen and dragging out a story that already had the perfect ending after 3 is just sad. I get that we aren't the target audience and Disney's main goal in this is to sell toys but Toy Story merchandise would still sell even if there's no new movie to go with it.
 
I agree with pretty much everything you said except now I'm not so sure they'll stop at 5 since they're seemingly being mandated to focus on sequels to their big IPs. As good a movie as Inside Out 2 is, I'm a little worried that its better than expected success at the box office is sending the wrong message that audiences only want sequels from Pixar. In certain cases they're welcomed, like I'm sure no one would be opposed to an Incredibles 3, but to continue churning out Toy Story sequels where Woody and Buzz are speaking with the 70-year-old voices of Tom Hanks and Tim Allen and dragging out a story that already had the perfect ending after 3 is just sad. I get that we aren't the target audience and Disney's main goal in this is to sell toys but Toy Story merchandise would still sell even if there's no new movie to go with it.
I'd be shocked if they pushed it past 5. The series is pushing 'too old' status, at this point. And I think that even 5 is on thin ice with the general public.

Pixar does have two originals in the works, thankfully. They have stated that the sequels fund the originals, which I hope is the mantra they stick to...
 
The idea of it being too old is something I keep grappling with. Every time I throw my two little guys into Toy Story clothes, jammies, halloween costumes (they asked to be Buzz and Woody, if that counts as a 4 and 2 year old), I'm always thinking to myself "this would be like my mom or dad putting me in Howdy-Doody shirts". Toy Story is very much a pillar of my and my wife's childhoods, and yet I could confidently count on just two hands the amount of times they've watched all three movies. They don't "not-love" Toy Story, but they aren't exactly burning a hole in the disc like they would be Inside Out or Moana.
 
It just ocurred to me that maybe they rushed the ending with Toy Story 3 if they really wanted to continue telling stories. TS4 seemed forced, epilogue-y.
 
It just ocurred to me that maybe they rushed the ending with Toy Story 3 if they really wanted to continue telling stories. TS4 seemed forced, epilogue-y.
At the time I don't think they were planning on making more Toy Story movies after 3. They seemed content with letting the franchise live on through shorts and one-off TV specials. I remember when Toy Story 4 was first announced it wasn't met with a lot of enthusiasm.
 
They would probably make three more Toy Story movies. 5 to 7. Even if a new film takes 10 years after the last one. Its really going to be around when all of us here are really old.
 
Toy Story ranks among my favourite film franchises alongside the Indiana Jones Saga, John Wick, The Dark Knight Trilogy, and Back to the Future.

Toy Story 4...really did not do it for me. It's a really good film - just not a great Toy Story film.
  • The sidelining of side-characters was a bummer, but not unforgivable. Buzz's character being completely gutted is in that category of unforgivable, though.
  • Woody at the end of Toy Story 3 - and in the subsequent shorts - made peace with leaving Andy behind and starting a new chapter. To retcon that development and undo that beautiful ending of the third film was just not necessary. Woody can 100% have a crisis of "Will I be okay not being as loved by a new child as Andy loved me?" - that's compelling! And adds to Woody's depth as a character. But having him still hung up on Andy felt like a regression.
  • Gabby-Gabby. She was a great villain - but the resolution to her story was an awful message, honestly. She felt 'defective' for lacking a voice-box - which would be a great metaphor for children born with a disability. So...that being the case - her achieving happiness solely from having that disability 'fixed' is a really sour, sad message to send to children. Like...wow. That's NOT a good message, honestly. What should've happened is Woody or another toy should've shown Gabby-Gabby that she is 100% worth being loved by a child as she always is - and that the only thing stopping her is her own fear. She puts herself out there and gets adopted. That's a far healthier message to send to children than 'fix your disability and you'll be loved'. Do I think the latter message was the intent? No. But I think not seeing how this would come across is very tone-deaf.
  • Woody being mutilated. His pull-string is iconic - removing it for the already problematic resolution for the villain, being guilted into doing it - leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
  • The gang splitting up. One of the comforts that made Andy moving on go down a lot easier for viewers was the reassurance that our core gang we grew up with and loved were still together. Having Woody up and leave...that stings.
  • I always said the ending should've been a mirror of the start - Woody on one side of the rail on the carousel with Bo-Peep on the other side (just like the box at the start of the film) with Woody being the one asking for her to come with him, this time. And they make a pact that once Bonnie grows up - that's when Woody/Bo will go off on adventures together. Woody and the gang get more time together, Bo Peep gets to still be a free spirit with Woody later on, and the gang gets more time with Bo Peep that they'd been robbed of when she was given away.
  • Woody leaving the group after feeling unplayed with enough felt like a betrayal of the heart of the series. "It doesn't matter how much we're played with - what matters is that we're here for [child] when they need us, that's what we're made for, right?"
Toy Story 4's ending - especially the panning shot of the toys - felt very manipulative. That shot, I remember in the theater - going "Oh...this is Pixar going 'now is when you cry'." It didn't feel earned and like I said...manipulative.

All this to say...I kind of welcome Toy Story 5. Is it unnecessary? Oh, I'm sure!

But I think that the director is promising and I believe that he's likely heard loud and clear the fans' feelings about how the last film ended, and this has a chance to be an ending that satisfies everyone.

I'm under no delusion that my opinion on Toy Story 4 is the majority consensus. That film was acclaimed by audiences and critics, full-stop. It was a huge hit. But I do think that Pixar/Toy Story fans (and we are a minority) have made enough noise that there will be some taking into account for the next film.

Toy Story may end up like the Indiana Jones series. A 5 film series where the 3rd was the best ending, overall. A controversial 4th film was made - and a 5th film releases and fares a lot better with hardcore fans/audiences/critics and ends the series on a much better film overall but still isn't thought of as reaching the heights of the original 3. But regardless, 3 is still considered the 'best' ending.

I can live with that.
I have hope that 5 will be better, for fans like me.
Agree with all of this. The world didn't need TS4. They could have shown us what happened to Bo in a half hour short.

And to have Woody suddenly just up and ditch Bonnie after spending three movies saying how important it was to always be there for their kid was just ridiculous. Imagine how frantic Bonnie would be when she realized Woody was gone. She freaked out over Forky and she'd only had him a few days.

As I've said before, Toy Story of Terror! was a better follow up to TS3 than TS4 was. The only way TS5 could justify its existence would be to have Andy come back to see if he can get his old toys back for his own child, finding out Woody is missing, and trying to find him. It can really only end with all the toys reunited at Andy's and being given to his own son or daughter.

And they're going to have to stop after 5 I think. Hanks and Allen are both much older now and you can tell it in their voices. Allen is 71 and Hanks is 67 and it's going to get very hard for them to sound like they did almost thirty years ago.
 
Agree with all of this. The world didn't need TS4. They could have shown us what happened to Bo in a half hour short.

And to have Woody suddenly just up and ditch Bonnie after spending three movies saying how important it was to always be there for their kid was just ridiculous. Imagine how frantic Bonnie would be when she realized Woody was gone. She freaked out over Forky and she'd only had him a few days.

As I've said before, Toy Story of Terror! was a better follow up to TS3 than TS4 was. The only way TS5 could justify its existence would be to have Andy come back to see if he can get his old toys back for his own child, finding out Woody is missing, and trying to find him. It can really only end with all the toys reunited at Andy's and being given to his own son or daughter.

And they're going to have to stop after 5 I think. Hanks and Allen are both much older now and you can tell it in their voices. Allen is 71 and Hanks is 67 and it's going to get very hard for them to sound like they did almost thirty years ago.
She ditched him first. :o

I know Bonnie is just a child, literally younger than Andy was in the first movie so I'm not actually blaming her as much as the writing but that's what bugged me the most about Toy Story 4. After how big of a deal it was for Andy to give Woody to Bonnie, for her to basically forget about him right off the bat was a huge disservice to the ending of 3. It was a lame catalyst for Woody to not go back with her and stay with Bo.
 
I liked 4, but I would rank it 3rd in the series. 3 is still the gold standard and 1 was better as well
 
What did Toy Story 2 ever do to you? :csad:
Toy Story 2 is half a great movie, and half one I am far less into. The Woody plot is great. The Buzz plot line? Not great. It's just bad pop culture jokes. So for that portion of the movie, it's at the bottom
 
I still haven’t gotten around to watching 4. I’ve had that blu-ray sitting around for awhile now.

Stanton is solid, though, so fingers crossed.
 

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