Tron Legacy

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I saw Tron Legacy yesterday, and I must say that while I didn't love it, I liked it. The story was kinda weak and the exposition could've been better, the visual and audio effects was top notch. The ending with Tron turning good out of nowhere was pretty questionable, but I feel as though the film was still pretty enjoyable.

7/10

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

100% photoreal was achieved with Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith back in 2005. But the animation still had a few tinkers, as you can see how wooden he sometimes was.

 

[Warhammer]

100% photoreal was achieved with Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith back in 2005. But the animation still had a few tinkers, as you can see how wooden he sometimes was.

Post of the year.

 

[rashad]

Friday Estimate
$2,702,000

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=tron2.htm

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

100% photoreal was achieved with Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith back in 2005. But the animation still had a few tinkers, as you can see how wooden he sometimes was.

LOL.Full of win.my new sig.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Friday Estimate
$2,702,000

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=tron2.htm

Well, if those numbers are accurate, all and all it might net back it's budget, but it'll probably be about on the nose. Lots like it'll all be up to home video and merchandising sells to see a sequel. Not a big thing to me, though.

 

[rashad]

Well, if those numbers are accurate, all and all it might net back it's budget, but it'll probably be about on the nose. Lots like it'll all be up to home video and merchandising sells to see a sequel. Not a big thing to me, though.

Boxofficemojo is an official and reliable source when it comes to box office tracking.

 

[Webhead2006]

nice to see its still doing well in theaters and with domestic/foriegn figures together will probably end overall good and make back its budget. Then merch/videos will probably help sequel happening. Which i am sure disney is going to do since they are all out for tron and we have the upcoming prequel toon series soon.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

This movie will do fine. I could see this being big blue ray. Theres a huge franchise they are planing to make out of this imo.

 

[DACrowe]

The movie will make back its entire production budget and most of its marketing budget in worldwide box office. However, there is no denying that it is well below studio and industry expectations (Disney really thought they could turn it into an Avatar-like movie in terms of financial success). It is just squeaking by into profit in WW box office.

That means it will have to incredibly well on DVD/bluray (think Batman Begins) for the studio to consider it a profitable idea to make a sequel. So it's up in there air and will be for most of the year.

With that said, I really thought the end of Tron: Legacy was nicely done. I thought Bridges merging his technological self with his humanity as a form of redemption was a nice ending to the story. He kills himself to save his son from paying for his sins. And thus his technological future completes and destroys him. But it offers a new future. Plus the final image of the movie with Quorra just experiencing a sunrise for the first time and her sense of awe and quiet peace was a nice rap up of the character. I don't know if we need to see her hugging posters and having her Fifth Element moments.

My opinion, of course.

 

[WarBlade]

(Disney really thought they could turn it into an Avatar-like movie in terms of financial success)

By whose account?

 

[Cain]

That means it will have to incredibly well on DVD/bluray (think Batman Begins) for the studio to consider it a profitable idea to make a sequel. So it's up in there air and will be for most of the year.

I guess some of you guys really don't understand how important a factor merchandising and licensing plays in profitability for a movie studio on a picture. Home video and box office really is not everything. I'll put it to you this way years ago Batman Returns was a box office success but WB still considered it a failure because they merchandising and licensing sales weren't up to par with the first one.

Batman Forever on the other hand didn't outgross BR by much at the box office but was considered a success because the merchandising and licensing was very successful. Somebody already cited another example of this in this thread with the Disney/Pixar feature CARS and how it's toy sales is what led to the greenlighting of a sequel.

Tron Legacy toys have been selling very well btw. I can only imagine the TV series will do even more for merchandise sales.

 

[Firm18]

Saw it twice, and yes I liked it. I absolutely loved the art direction, the sleek and neon based world. That was phenomenal. And the music, fantastic, Daft Punk and the visuals definitely made the movie. The story is nothing great, the acting is nothing great, although the idea behind the story - reaching perfection and it's turn was good.

And God, Olivia Wilde as Quorra, and that other girl - Gem... <3

 

[DACrowe]

By whose account?

Deadline Hollywood and most industry insiders.

TRON: Legacy was released the exact same weekend as Avatar was last year. Disney began marketing this movie to the mainstream a year ago. They spent $150 million on a worldwide marketing campaign, the largest this year, and tried to make it a global event. It played as a major Comic Con event two years in a row. Disney spent more money on selling this thing than the entire production budgets of some blockbusters, including the next Spider-Man movie.

If you go back to boxofficemojo the weekend of its release, most of the talk was how it compared to Avatar's release and how in retrospect something with such "niche appeal" should never have been expected to compete with Avatar.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3018&p=.htm

Disney was hoping that it'd make probably over $300 million US, though that is just my guess. I'm sure they were expecting well over $200 million. I really like the movie and hope it does well. If they do a sequel I will see it, but I'm just saying it is an uphill battle after it failed to meet expectations.

 

[DACrowe]

I guess some of you guys really don't understand how important a factor merchandising and licensing plays in profitability for a movie studio on a picture. Home video and box office really is not everything. I'll put it to you this way years ago Batman Returns was a box office success but WB still considered it a failure because they merchandising and licensing sales weren't up to par with the first one.

Batman Forever on the other hand didn't outgross BR by much at the box office but was considered a success because the merchandising and licensing was very successful. Somebody already cited another example of this in this thread with the Disney/Pixar feature CARS and how it's toy sales is what led to the greenlighting of a sequel.

Tron Legacy toys have been selling very well btw. I can only imagine the TV series will do even more for merchandise sales.

Um...Batman Forever made over $20 million more than Batman Returns at the box office.

Merchandising is important for blockbusters, but home video is where most of the money comes from. After that box office is incredibly important. I hope if they have a good Tron 3 in store it gets made, but this is the same argument that was made for Superman Returns, Ang Lee's Hulk, Van Helsing and more. Granted, those were all bad movies and I think T:L is excellent. But the fans of those movies defended their success on the scope of merchandising.

Disney is the king of merchandising and if they decide that it is not worth the $170 million investment ($320 million when you factor in marketing), they may just leave it in animated form and try to find the next big thing instead of making a sequel to a movie that isn't going to cross $200 million domestic after costing nearly a third of a trillion dollars.


P.S. Can I just add that post that is upsetting some was made mostly because I wanted to start a discussion about the movie's ending. Not a box office argument.

 

[Cain]

Um...Batman Forever made over $20 million more than Batman Returns at the box office.

Merchandising is important for blockbusters, but home video is where most of the money comes from. After that box office is incredibly important. I hope if they have a good Tron 3 in store it gets made, but this is the same argument that was made for Superman Returns, Ang Lee's Hulk, Van Helsing and more. Granted, those were all bad movies and I think T:L is excellent. But the fans of those movies defended their success on the scope of merchandising.

Disney is the king of merchandising and if they decide that it is not worth the $170 million investment ($320 million when you factor in marketing), they may just leave it in animated form and try to find the next big thing instead of making a sequel to a movie that isn't going to cross $200 million domestic after costing nearly a third of a trillion dollars.


P.S. Can I just add that post that is upsetting some was made mostly because I wanted to start a discussion about the movie's ending. Not a box office argument.

Yeah 20 million dollars isn't a very dramatic number especially considering the first still did better than that one too. Nevertheless the merchandising played a big part in that movie having greater success. Aside from it being more young audience friendly then the last. A big reason to make it like that in the first place was to sell more toys. That's why unapologetically we see a new batwing, robin, a batboat. Stuff the kids will want when they watch that long toy commercial at the cinema.

The mc donald's tie in's and such also benefited more from being attached to a lighter flick and attracted more people at the time. This is why we were subjected to lines like "I'll get drive-thru" so it would be used in mc donald's commercials which it was. It was a good strategy business wise. Universal still held on to the Hulk rights cause merchandise for that movie sold pretty well though. It's why we saw another one while we never saw another Van Helsing and a new Superman is just starting to NOW pick up steam. Mostly because of pressure on WB from the siegels and their lawsuit.

Fair enough on the P.S. though don't get it twisted there is no upset around. I'm not petty enough to let message board comments ever grate me. I've been using the net since 1996; I know better. I couldn't care less what this movie makes I'm not getting paid from it. I enjoyed it a lot even though I was never a big fan of the original but I was satisfied enough with my experience that I don't NEED a sequel. Though I do welcome one if it comes. My post was just friendly debate plus some FYI for any that may not know that.

With Quorra I don't know. I remember the writers saying in an interview that when going into the grid matter becomes energy and when coming back out vice versa. So it's safe to assume especially since she poses some type of double helix that conversely she is pretty organic now. Though because she was born in the grid still part digital. It could be interesting to explore how that angle could go. Especially if Dillinger Jr. or someone else at ENCOM with bad intentions against Flynn and Bradley in general is somewhat made aware of her real identity etc.

I think there are places you could go with her still if they ever decided to make another.

 

[DACrowe]

I couldn't care less what this movie makes I'm not getting paid from it. I enjoyed it a lot even though I was never a big fan of the original but I was satisfied enough with my experience that I don't NEED a sequel. Though I do welcome one if it comes.

Agreed. I too never really cared for Tron (though I saw it around ten years ago only once, so my memory is very vague about it). But I was pleasantly surprised how much I liked this movie and was left very satisfied by it. Though I would welcome another installment, if one gets made.

With Quorra I don't know. I remember the writers saying in an interview that when going into the grid matter becomes energy and when coming back out vice versa. So it's safe to assume especially since she poses some type of double helix that conversely she is pretty organic now. Though because she was born in the grid still part digital. It could be interesting to explore how that angle could go. Especially if Dillinger Jr. or someone else at ENCOM with bad intentions against Flynn and Bradley in general is somewhat made aware of her real identity etc.

I think there are places you could go with her still if they ever decided to make another.

Oh I really like the Quorra character. But if it just ended with that image of her experiencing the real world, it seems like a satisfying closing image. I think the basis should be her character evolving as a person in the real world, not the technical mechanics of it.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I also liked Clu at the end of the film. Instead of seeming like a guy who was vindictive and lusting for power, he was a character who at the heart of things, just wanted to please his master, and expressed disappointment that he couldn't. I really liked that scene at the end where did express his disappointment that he could please Kevin.rl

 

[Darkness Falls]

I also liked Clu at the end of the film. Instead of seeming like a guy who was vindictive and lusting for power, he was a character who at the heart of things, just wanted to please his master, and expressed disappointment that he couldn't. I really liked that scene at the end where did express his disappointment that he could please Kevin.

THIS

 

[Darkness Falls]

100% photoreal was achieved with Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith back in 2005. But the animation still had a few tinkers, as you can see how wooden he sometimes was.

I litterally laughed out loud

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think that Disney was expecting Avatar numbers exactly but with that huge budget and marketing budget they surely expected another Pirates 1 (650mil worldwide) or atleast a King Kong (550mil worldwide).

No the movie is not some raving failure but it's not a success either. If it's international numbers were headed towards 300mil plus (They are headed towards 200mil plus) I think that people would be seeing this movie's boxoffice differently. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney made a sequel but they dumped Narnia after the second one did 450mil worldwide so it's not a given that a Tron sequel will be made.

I think that it's 50/50 thing right now. The DVD sales will matter because Disney needs to see the potential for a huge uptick in business; like a Twilight to New Moon level uptick. (392mil worldwide versus 710mil)

 

[DACrowe]

I also liked Clu at the end of the film. Instead of seeming like a guy who was vindictive and lusting for power, he was a character who at the heart of things, just wanted to please his master, and expressed disappointment that he couldn't. I really liked that scene at the end where did express his disappointment that he could please Kevin.rl

I did like that he was ultimately a computer program that couldn't grasp humanity or the objectivity of "perfection." He was created for an abstract reason that Kevin could not see until it kind of destroyed him.

There was a nice circle to that that saved the ending from the lame "Tron randomly turns good and saves the day!" sequence from right before that scene. It just clicked very well.

 

[craigdbfan]

I also liked Clu at the end of the film. Instead of seeming like a guy who was vindictive and lusting for power, he was a character who at the heart of things, just wanted to please his master, and expressed disappointment that he couldn't. I really liked that scene at the end where did express his disappointment that he could please Kevin.rl

Clu was misunderstood and confused.

It was a nice scene. I found it a bit funny though how Kevin thought he could resolve all of that with one big hug.

Hey its worth a try I guess.

 

[Cain]

Yeah Clu just did what he was programmed to and did it well. He felt he got no credit at all for it from Flynn. It was like the son that studies real hard and keeps up great academics & a great reputation yet the dad overlooks him for the more rebellious son. At least that's how he viewed the situation with Sam.

This is why he was like "I've been waiting a long time for this" when they were about to play the games. At the same time he can't see beyond that as he's just a program. To him Sam is an imperfection in the grid it's not just sibling rivalry. He's a human and humans are imperfections. Albeit the only time of imperfection that is already perfect as Flynn pointed out to Clu. Kevin Flynn wanted to change the world "make it perfect" Clu just wanted to complete the task beyond the grid and actually make it happen in his own way.

It's what made the moment when Clu asks "Why?" and Flynn answers "He's my son." surprisingly powerful. No matter how much Clu is a part of Flynn as Sam is, basically his digital son. There is still one factor that makes him dangerous and it's that he's too mechanical. Flynn realized the mistake he made like DACrowe has said and that was what made that ending really click the most. Good scene.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yeah Clu just did what he was programmed to and did it well. He felt he got no credit at all for it from Flynn. It was like the son that studies real hard and keeps up great academics & a great reputation yet the dad overlooks him for the more rebellious son. At least that's how he viewed the situation with Sam.

This is why he was like "I've been waiting a long time for this" when they were about to play the games. At the same time he can't see beyond that as he's just a program. To him Sam is an imperfection in the grid it's not just sibling rivalry. He's a human and humans are imperfections. Albeit the only time of imperfection that is already perfect as Flynn pointed out to Clu. Kevin Flynn wanted to change the world "make it perfect" Clu just wanted to complete the task beyond the grid and actually make it happen in his own way.

It's what made the moment when Clu asks "Why?" and Flynn answers "He's my son." surprisingly powerful. No matter how much Clu is a part of Flynn as Sam is, basically his digital son. There is still one factor that makes him dangerous and it's that he's too mechanical. Flynn realized the mistake he made like DACrowe has said and that was what made that ending really click the most. Good scene.

Very well said.

Really liked watching that particular scene.