Age of Ultron Ultron! We Would Have Words With Thee! Official Thor/Chris Hemworth Thread - Part 1

[jaqua99]

You're exaggerating, he says Thor and Vision never actually fight and he says he thinks Vision is more powerful.

He doesn't say it's explicitly shown or confirmed.

What? No I'm not BT
He said vision appears more powerful, or something along those lines, he made that observation, and it must be a clear one. I never said anything about it being confirmed or explicit.
and at the time of this post we, or atleast I was still of the assumption that they DID fight, didn't see all of the posts in the spoiler section..I wish I could but unfortunately don't have the time right now.
"If Vision appears more powerful and as far as I know, they fight..here's why it's not a big deal if Vision is displayed as more powerful" that was my angle man. That's all

Vision has never lifted it in the comics, I personally love it.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm more disappointed over the fact that Thor doesn't get to his iconic line to Ultron in this film. Talk about another missed opportunity.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I now have this image of Thor in my head like Rick James from the Chappelle show. "Blank your city, blank your city."

You're exaggerating, he says Thor and Vision never actually fight and he says he thinks Vision is more powerful.

He doesn't say it's explicitly shown or confirmed.

To be fair, what they are saying Vision does puts him on another level. But then again, he has an [BLACKOUT]Infinity Stone[/BLACKOUT]. That changes things.

 

[BigThor]

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[DarthSkywalker]

BigThor, cover up those spoilers please.

 

[Raiden]

I'm more disappointed over the fact that Thor doesn't get to his iconic line to Ultron in this film. Talk about another missed opportunity.

Why are you so sure? Isn't there an embargo in place?

 

[BigThor]

What? No I'm not BT
He said vision appears more powerful, or something along those lines, he made that observation, and it must be a clear one. I never said anything about it being confirmed or explicit.
and at the time of this post we, or atleast I was still of the assumption that they DID fight, didn't see all of the posts in the spoiler section..I wish I could but unfortunately don't have the time right now.
"If Vision appears more powerful and as far as I know, they fight..here's why it's not a big deal if Vision is displayed as more powerful" that was my angle man. That's all

Vision has never lifted it in the comics, I personally love it.

Oh okay I understand bro, some people think Iron Man appeared more powerful than Thor in A1 so it's all subjective.

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Yeah they didnt fight so it's up to viewer discretion and yeah he has a power gem so it wouldn't matter anyway.

 

[Vartha]

I don't know. Unless I hear it from Someone I know well I doubt it all for now

 

[DarthSkywalker]

VArtha there are uncovered spoilers in non-spoiler threads. Shouldn't you be doing your mod thing? t:

 

[ernesth100]

Well judging by TV Spot 11 Thor is gonna lay waste to an entire city or something. Possibly in hopes of destorying all the Ultron bots. Great power moment for the Odinson don't ya think?

 

[BigThor]

Well judging by TV Spot 11 Thor is gonna lay waste to an entire city or something. Possibly in hopes of destorying all the Ultron bots. Great power moment for the Odinson don't ya think?

If that is indeed Thor's doing in that shot it sure would be amazing.

 

[First Avenger]

They said so in the spoiler section.

 

[Herolee10]

I think it's becoming apparent that Whedon doesn't really have a special place for Thor's character.

Based on what's been seen in the first film and what I've been hearing about him in the second film, it doesn't seem like he ranks high on Whedon's list of characters.

It also sucks that

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either we were lied to about Thor traveling to different realms for his solo arc or that it was all cut in the editing room, along with the fact that Vision has to become glorified at Thor's expense.

What's the need for Thor now with Vision around?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

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It certainly seems strange they gave Vision an infinity stone and the ability to lift Mjolnir. They nerf everyone else then make Vision way stronger. Weird.

The question is what the hell is going to happen to Vision when Thanos removes the gem. Is he going to de-power, or is he just going to completely shut down.

 

[warriorking]

Now that Whedon has literally taken a Big Stinking Mega Dump on the whole Thor Hammer mystique lets hope the writers in the upcoming Ragnorak can clean up the mess....

 

[Herolee10]

Now that Whedon has literally taken a Big Stinking Mega Dump on the whole Thor Hammer mystique lets hope the writers in the upcoming Ragnorak can clean up the mess....

Seems like a recurring gag within the MCU.lol

Whedon gives Cap a less than stellar looking costume in "The Avengers", where he's not allowed to really pull off any great fighting stunts.

Russos come in and rectify all of that with "The Winter Soldier".

Thor is shown being able to take on the likes of Malekith, despite the latter being charged by a infinity stone.

While in "Age of Ultron",

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Thor gets his spotlight taken from him from a android that's powered by a infinity stone

 

[marvellover]

Not a big fan of Thor but really cant stand Marvel trying to hype up a new character to the extent of making everyone else look weak,especially Thor

The only films he doesnt get nerfed are his solo films,and he still hasnt shown his full potential
The Thor fights I enjoy the most is the Destroyer fight,and that was only fight that he used his power more than just lightning and striking

Really disappointed in the spoilers so far
The movie better show a good fight between Thor and Ultron

 

[Herolee10]

IF Thor isn't out-staged by an fellow Avenger in the team up films, then he's normally out-staged by Loki in his own films.

 

[ctsketch]

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It certainly seems strange they gave Vision an infinity stone and the ability to lift Mjolnir. They nerf everyone else then make Vision way stronger. Weird.

The question is what the hell is going to happen to Vision when Thanos removes the gem. Is he going to de-power, or is he just going to completely shut down.

I wondered that too..... will that be the death of vision in IW?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I wondered that too..... will that be the death of vision in IW?

It would be pretty cool to be fair,

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Thanos just grabbing Vision taking the mind gem out, then crushing Vision's skull and tossing him away. Particularly when Vision is shown to be so powerful

 

[warriorking]

So does Thor require a permission slip from Vision whenever he

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needs his Hammer?....or do they have a share plan in place....And suppose they both summon the hammer at the same time, which one does it go too? Just asking.....
Its sad that Thor's main weapon is reduced from a instrument of immense power and mystique to a prop for gags and mockery....
Thanks Whedon, thanks a lot.....
Next they will be treating Caps shield as a drink tray...

 

[BoredGuy]

my thinking remains:

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Vision is not a 'person' per se, so therefore worthiness does not apply.

Others have suggested that it doesn't matter, that SHIELD's machinery couldn't lift it so Vision must be considered worthy, but I don't think that logic really follows, and here's why-

-The enchantment is pretty intelligent
-People using machinery could not lift it
-Stark and Rhodey using their gauntlets couldn't lift it
However
-The hammer did not make the helicarrier fall from the sky every time Thor set it down

Therefore, unless the captain of the ship (Fury) was considered Worthy, the enchantment does not extend to machinery that is being more indirectly controlled, ie ships, planes, trains, etc

Vision is a mechanical body controlled by an advanced computer program.
So he more closely adheres to the "indirect control" idea like the helicarrier.

This is why I say, he is as worthy as a table, or the coat rack in TDW

To be truly worthy, he would need a life force that the enchantment recognizes. It is possible that the infinity stone gives him that, and in which case, I would contend that it is the stone, and not any sort of inherent nobility that allows him to lift the hammer. He's no more worthy than Cap, he just already wields an artifact of even greater power than mjolnir.

The idea that Vision has a soul, which happens to be worthy, holds no scientific value because there is no such thing as a soul, scientifically speaking, only our higher cognitive functions which allow us to process concepts like morality and ethical behavior. And in the MCU, they are clearly trying to give a plausible basis to all the magical things that go on. So "souls" are out of the equation.

Basically, it boils down to 2 possibilities:
-He's inanimate, so he can lift it how the ground or any other inanimate object can
-He has the infinity stone, so can override the enchantment

Sorry for the rant
but either way, I'm going to stick to my theory
as I refuse to believe [BLACKOUT]Cap[/BLACKOUT] would not be worthy, but [BLACKOUT]Vision[/BLACKOUT] would be

 

[warriorking]

I see where you are coming from, makes perfect sense..

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The whole thing would have worked better if he had merely knocked the hammer away...The bright spot in all this is in Odin"s Enchantment when he sent the hammer to earth following Thor's banishment...Stating "If they be worthy, shall posses the power of Thor"...
And since Vision did not receive his power he is still not worthy of either the Throne or Thor's power........

 

[jaqua99]

my thinking remains:

Spoiler

Vision is not a 'person' per se, so therefore worthiness does not apply.

Others have suggested that it doesn't matter, that SHIELD's machinery couldn't lift it so Vision must be considered worthy, but I don't think that logic really follows, and here's why-

-The enchantment is pretty intelligent
-People using machinery could not lift it
-Stark and Rhodey using their gauntlets couldn't lift it
However
-The hammer did not make the helicarrier fall from the sky every time Thor set it down

Therefore, unless the captain of the ship (Fury) was considered Worthy, the enchantment does not extend to machinery that is being more indirectly controlled, ie ships, planes, trains, etc

Vision is a mechanical body controlled by an advanced computer program.
So he more closely adheres to the "indirect control" idea like the helicarrier.

This is why I say, he is as worthy as a table, or the coat rack in TDW

To be truly worthy, he would need a life force that the enchantment recognizes. It is possible that the infinity stone gives him that, and in which case, I would contend that it is the stone, and not any sort of inherent nobility that allows him to lift the hammer. He's no more worthy than Cap, he just already wields an artifact of even greater power than mjolnir.

The idea that Vision has a soul, which happens to be worthy, holds no scientific value because there is no such thing as a soul, scientifically speaking, only our higher cognitive functions which allow us to process concepts like morality and ethical behavior. And in the MCU, they are clearly trying to give a plausible basis to all the magical things that go on. So "souls" are out of the equation.

Basically, it boils down to 2 possibilities:
-He's inanimate, so he can lift it how the ground or any other inanimate object can
-He has the infinity stone, so can override the enchantment

Sorry for the rant
but either way, I'm going to stick to my theory
as I refuse to believe [BLACKOUT]Cap[/BLACKOUT] would not be worthy, but [BLACKOUT]Vision[/BLACKOUT] would be

[BLACKOUT]I'm gonna guess Vision is worthy because one, he's great. That needs to be accepted. It's a wow cinematic moment. Looking objectively. But Vision is more than an android controlled by an AI. I remember someone spoiling saying that he's still his own individual.

Plus he's powered by the mind stone. He's not just an ai, he's alive.With a conscious mind. That's the point of him lifting it with the mind stone. And he's born into something pure, and for some reason, Thor has hope for humanity. Thor has bigger things to worry about. Vision is the new champion powerhouse of the Avengers, while Thor goes off to deal with something no other avenger can deal with.

And in terms of science, quantum mechanics, there is consideration for a soul. There's zero evidence that suggests there's no soul[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Ghostcrow13]

[BLACKOUT]I'm gonna guess Vision is worthy because one, he's great. That needs to be accepted. It's a wow cinematic moment. Looking objectively. But Vision is more than an android controlled by an AI. I remember someone spoiling saying that he's still his own individual.

Plus he's powered by the mind stone. He's not just an ai, he's alive.With a conscious mind. That's the point of him lifting it with the mind stone. And he's born into something pure, and for some reason, Thor has hope for humanity. Thor has bigger things to worry about. Vision is the new champion powerhouse of the Avengers, while Thor goes off to deal with something no other avenger can deal with.

And in terms of science, quantum mechanics, there is consideration for a soul. There's zero evidence that suggests there's no soul[/BLACKOUT]

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In all honesty it doesn't seem like a wow moment, he doesn't pick it up in time of need. He is literally just born and he picks it up and gives it to Thor not realising it's a big deal.

To me that's less of a wow moment and more wtf is going on moment.