Uncanny Avengers

[runawayboulder]

All he does is get his ass kicked, maybe his best bet is leading the Great Lakes Avengers. t:

But seriously, yeah, he should get a shot one day. He was kinda the leader back during the Nebula arc that preceded Avengers #300.

If only Marvel can stop doing relaunches and changing status quo like a normal person changes underwear, then maybe they could do a story where Cap and Tony are taken out or captured then Thor has to lead some novice Avengers to kick bad guy hiney.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Or maybe they could do an arc where Cap and Tony are like, "Hey, Thor's been kicking the asses of all and sundry for like a hundred times as long as we've been alive. Let's let him lead for a while and see what happens."

 

[El Bastardo]

Or maybe they could do an arc where Cap and Tony are like, "Hey, Thor's been kicking the asses of all and sundry for like a hundred times as long as we've been alive. Let's let him lead for a while and see what happens."

And then they put Matt Fraction on the title for that arc. t:

 

[Franklin Richards]

Why would you ask Captain America to bench press 75 tons when Thor is standing right next to him? By the same token, why the hell would anyone lead when Captain America is standing right next to you?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, but it happens often enough. Remember when Wasp got elected leader with Cap's blessing?

And then they put Matt Fraction on the title for that arc. t:

I hate you.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I don't know, but it happens often enough. Remember when Wasp got elected leader with Cap's blessing?


I hate you.

That's because she was a woman. Duh.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Racist.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Matt Fraction isn't bad I thought Civil War was good...apart from his bad charactisastion...most notebly with Iron Man...

 

[Dread]

Torn here. I like Remender, although his quality does diminish vastly when he's forced to go through a crossover storyline (something that effects many writers, but some worse than others). Ideally I like Cassaday's artwork, but the notion of him being a timely monthly artist for more than 2-3 issues at best is laughable. It took him roughly 4 years to draw 25 issues of AXM. The delays on PLANETARY are also legendary. We may be lucky if he's the regular artist on this book as long as Terry Dodson was on DEFENDERS (who drew about 4 of the first 7 issues). I am curious who his guest artist will be, who will thus take over.

The line-up? Well, I am marveled by Havok's ability to wear the ugliest costumes ever. He's had many suits since the 60's and virtually all of them are horrible. His best two were the one he wore for MUTANT X and the get-up he had briefly at the end of WAR OF KINGS, both of which he ditched quickly for more onion rings or tiaras. Perhaps it is a secondary mutation inherited from having a space pirate father who wore a yellow sash with red and black leotards. The roster is essentially 3 Avengers from the 60's era teamed with three X-Men from the 80's era.

Personality wise, Wolverine is actually supposed to be close to Rogue and Havok, and vice versa to a degree. Meanwhile, in theory everyone is supposed to be wary of Scarlet Witch, but I think that's changed off panel. The inclusion of the film costumes is also looking very forced.

If Peter David's X-FACTOR is still in publication, Havok will thus be on two books. Damn, characters never stay put anymore.

 

[chris moore]

I love the idea of finally having some cross-purpose among the two major teams. There was never any reason not to have them work together more officially. I mean, how positive was it for a) mutant/human relations when Quicksilver and Wanda joined the Avengers, and b) for them personally being associated with heroes when they were former villains.

The line-up: Pretty good actually. A great mix of power sets and personalities. You've got energy projection, fighting ability, strength, flight, leadership, and experience. If they're missing anything it's a telepath or TK (though I imagine that's something Rogue can take care of when needs be).

Costumes however? Bad for 4 out of 6. Did Havok actually lose control of his powers or something? Cos the terrible mask was only ever for that purpose and we know damn well his latest suit is the best looking one in decades. And why does Cap suddenly have kneepads? I know they changed Clint's suit to identify more with the movie so people would know who he was when they started reading comics after having seen the film, but Cap doesn't need that kind of change to know who he is. Same goes for Thor. His chainmail suit was the best for god knows how long (and even the classic was pretty good despite the pants over trousers element).

Wolverine and Wanda however, just fine.

 

[BoredGuy]

Matt Fraction isn't bad I thought Civil War was good...apart from his bad charactisastion...most notebly with Iron Man...

Fraction wrote Fear Itself, not Civil War
The only good thing he's done was apparently Invincible Iron Man (which I havent read), everything else he does is rife with poor characterization.


And agreed on all the new costumes, they look pretty terrible.
However, Jerome Opena apparently designed them, so I'd love to see his take on them.
But yeah, I think It's funny that Wolvie's costume was considered too iconic to change any further, but Cap and Thor? Yeah f*** it, change em...

 

[JewishHobbit]

Fraction handled the writing load on Immortal Iron Fist and that was fantastic. I hear he did a good job on the Order as well but I never read it. At least, I think that was Fraction.

 

[Belvedere]

Fraction handled the writing load on Immortal Iron Fist and that was fantastic. I hear he did a good job on the Order as well but I never read it. At least, I think that was Fraction.

I always thought Bru took the lions share of the writing on IIF? But, given how the quality of his books drop off when he's on more than one, I guess I could believe otherwise.

Yeah, The Order was pretty good for a book that was always destined to die. It's a shame some of the characters he created for it haven't been used since.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Some have but I don't recall where. I know they showed up in the Initiative in small cameos during Secret Invasion and I think one or two of them showed up in Iron Man at some point.

And if I'm not mistaken Brubaker admitted that most of Immortal Iron Fist was Fraction's. He was mostly just the better known writer on the cover to sell books.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Matt Fraction isn't bad I thought Civil War was good...apart from his bad charactisastion...most notebly with Iron Man...

It blows my mind that the same guy who got me into Iron Fist wrote such horrible Thor and Iron Man stories.

 

[BoredGuy]

^And X-Men stories. Don't forget those.

 

[venom892]

I loved IIF.I was excited for Fraction's Iron Man, but it got boring after a while and I sold them all.I never tried his Thor and Uncanny under his pen wasn't much better than his Iron Man.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I seem to have blocked his Uncanny run form my memory. Don't remember it at all.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Did Fraction write Phoenix End Song, because that was stunning As was Greg Land's art work in it, which is now some what repetitive...

 

[JewishHobbit]

No, that was Greg Pak.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Rouge looks terrible there.I'm interested but hope Cassaday can keep up with the schedule.

Can we please stop calling her "Rouge"? It's been almost thirty years now.

 

[IFryKids]

Fraction's Uncanny run was completely forgettable, aside from Greg Land's filth on every page.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I can't be the only one excited that Havok is being put back into a leadership role, can I?

Maybe they'll finally do something great with him since he was robbed of his victory in War of Kings.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^Not at all. He's one of my fav X-Men.

 

[Hawkingbird]

No, that was Greg Pak.

Ah yes! What stuff has he done recently in X-Men? Did he do Planet Hulk?