Universal MCU: Hulk and Namor

[Iceman]

Conrad said on Twitter that this info came from the same source that told him that Katheryn Langford was playing an adult version of Tony Stark’s daughter(which turned out to be true). Conrad was actually the first one to report this info as a rumor based on the info he got from this source which is similar to what he’s doing with this.

As for his other track record, he was also the first one to break the news that Marvel was working on an Eternals movie before even big trades like Hollywood Reporter & Variety reported it. So he’s been shown to be reliable but he’s gotten stuff wrong before as well like when he reported the subtitle for Avengers 4 was going to be “Annihilation.”

So we’ll have to wait and see. I think there’s at least a 50/50 chance of this being true. It sounds credible seeing as there is just no point in Universal keeping the right for first refusal for distribution for a character they don’t have the production rights to. Maybe Disney did some deal making behind the scenes? I don’t know but it’s possible.

Good to know. I also never saw the point of the deal as it was, resulting in a non-efficient outcome for Universal. Selling to Disney seems to make the most sense.

 

[NotNickFury]

He also said two Eternals characters "may" (always have to put in those qualifiers) appear in either Avengers 4 or Captain Marvel before The Eternals film itself, which didn't happen. So yeah, while like a broken clock, he's right on occasion, still a spotty track record. True, he didn't say they would appear, but might as well have.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah we’ve mentioned this a ton in the X-Men thread. It would be the perfect way to debut him as well as giving him an entry outside of X-Men, allowing the X-Men film to launch without him and then build up his eventual joining the team later.

I would hope that Marvel do push for another Hulk movie, as that would also be the ideal time to introduce Wolverine to the MCU in a way that isn't just yet another X-Men film where it's Wolverine and Friends.

And it's too iconic a first appearance to not have this. But put Wolverine in the yellow and blue costume with him masked, and wearing the short version of the mask. No showing his face like Hugh Jackman, especially since it has to be a mysterious appearance.

And it wouldn't be the same with Hulk guest starring in a Wolverine movie compared to vice versa. Wolverine was a mysterious assailant who came out of nowhere, and he could be like that in a Hulk film where he's not the main star. But in a Wolverine movie it's impossible for him to be shrouded in mystery and have the same kind of dramatic entry since he'd be the star and we'd have been following him all along up until then.

 

[TheVileOne]

I generally don't trust rumors like this. People may have forgotten, but we would hear rumors like this on an infrequent basis for YEARS before the Disney/Fox deal came about regarding X-Men, Fox, and Fantastic Four.

Den of Geek ridiculously printed this and stood by it:

Update: Fox denies Fantastic Four rumours

 

[Silvermoth]

An mcu namor would be so awesome. Even as a supporting cast member, that would still be spectacular.

 

[Zorro]

Get Hulkie home! Namor would be great and about time!

 

[Silvermoth]

Part of me wonders, like, what a coincidence they suddenly announced a She-Hulk series. They must have found some sort of loophole, tried it and found it worked. It’s a good sign. Not a definite one but still very interesting

 

[Docker2.0]

They have tons of properties, maybe they gave one to Universal just to let them go. They are just sitting there wasting away. But I do believe the Namor one. We have been hearing way to much about him being in BP and Dr Strange way to much. I can kind of see him being in BP but not Strange. The fact that they keep laying out hints of him being in MCU like on the map in Iron Man2 and the Avengers Endgame nugget kind of lets you know that he is indeed coming.

 

[Silvermoth]

Ha, I don’t think they just give away multimillion dollar franchises. Although that would be a funny mr bean esque movie

 

[InCali]

Part of me wonders, like, what a coincidence they suddenly announced a She-Hulk series. They must have found some sort of loophole, tried it and found it worked. It’s a good sign. Not a definite one but still very interesting

Ya. Ya'd think if they could do one, they could do the other. It makes me wonder if they can maybe do a one hour show or a series of them? Ya know.....I would definitely go to the movies to watch 2 or 3 1 hour Marvel shows about different characters. That would actually be pretty cool. I guess that's what Disney + is for, but I'd definitely go to the movies too. I think they maybe used to do stuff like that way back when. Flash Gordon or something like that??

 

[Dark Raven]

Hulk needs a movie where he can actually put up a good fight and also be heroic. At least the Ruffalo version does anyway. It's been 12 years since TIH, which almost feels like a pre-MCU movie. Since the Avengers, Hulk has been beaten by Iron Man (Hulkbuster), Thor, Thanos and has not really had a good fight against anyone. He keeps fighting his team mates or just fights cannon fodder like the Chitauri, Ultron bots or Thanos's army. He never even had a rematch against Thanos.

It would've even been cool for him to fight Black Dwarf, or Cull Obsidian as he was renamed. That would've been a potential match up of two monsters. But Black Dwarf just got squashed by Ant-Man and Hulk didn't do much of anything.

He needs another Abomination-like villain to fight who is an outright villain. Even fighting Wolverine, while fun and historic to see, would still be a case of him fighting another hero.

But if it's Professor Hulk he's not going to be very effective anyway or would keep analysing everything. I don't think he could even get stronger the madder he gets.

 

[Silvermoth]

There’s only so many times you can do a slugfest before it starts taking on Peter griffen versus a giant chicken levels of silliness

 

[Rorschach2012]

A Hulk vs Wolverine movie is too great of an opportunity to pass up. It’s the perfect way to reintroduce the character in a way that immediately sets it apart from the Fox films. If they frame the movie as a team up, with nearly equal focus on Wolverine and Hulk, then I think they could bypass the restrictions Universal has imposed on Marvel.

 

[Iceman]

Hulk needs a movie where he can actually put up a good fight and also be heroic. At least the Ruffalo version does anyway. It's been 12 years since TIH, which almost feels like a pre-MCU movie. Since the Avengers, Hulk has been beaten by Iron Man (Hulkbuster), Thor, Thanos and has not really had a good fight against anyone. He keeps fighting his team mates or just fights cannon fodder like the Chitauri, Ultron bots or Thanos's army. He never even had a rematch against Thanos.

It would've even been cool for him to fight Black Dwarf, or Cull Obsidian as he was renamed. That would've been a potential match up of two monsters. But Black Dwarf just got squashed by Ant-Man and Hulk didn't do much of anything.

He needs another Abomination-like villain to fight who is an outright villain. Even fighting Wolverine, while fun and historic to see, would still be a case of him fighting another hero.

But if it's Professor Hulk he's not going to be very effective anyway or would keep analysing everything. I don't think he could even get stronger the madder he gets.

I would love to see him take on a solo enemy who was around his power level who could take the hits and dish them out.

 

[Iceman]

Ya. Ya'd think if they could do one, they could do the other. It makes me wonder if they can maybe do a one hour show or a series of them? Ya know.....I would definitely go to the movies to watch 2 or 3 1 hour Marvel shows about different characters. That would actually be pretty cool. I guess that's what Disney + is for, but I'd definitely go to the movies too. I think they maybe used to do stuff like that way back when. Flash Gordon or something like that??

It’d be an interesting idea. I’d go to the cinema for that. I wonder if the GA would too.

 

[Dark Raven]

A Hulk vs Wolverine movie is too great of an opportunity to pass up. It’s the perfect way to reintroduce the character in a way that immediately sets it apart from the Fox films. If they frame the movie as a team up, with nearly equal focus on Wolverine and Hulk, then I think they could bypass the restrictions Universal has imposed on Marvel.

I would love to see him take on a solo enemy who was around his power level who could take the hits and dish them out.

Give Hulk an enemy like Wendigo. He has power levels like the Hulk, and also is a cannibal, so Hulk can smash him without hesitation. It provides the opportunity to bring in Wolverine, and also can be a nod to Ultimate Hulk who was a cannibal. People in the back woods of Canada could think it was the Hulk who was eating people, with Wolverine sent out to investigate. It would set up a fight between them, but then would turn out that Wendigo is actually the culprit.

The only question is whether you need someone like Shaman of Alpha Flight to turn Wendigo back to human, or do you have Wolverine or Hulk kill him? If that does happen, I would rather Wolverine be the one to kill him and not Hulk.

I prefer the idea (taken from the TV series Hulk) that his own morality as a human guides his morality as the Hulk and therefore he won't harm or kill others. But they haven't really adhered to that in the MCU, with Hulk ready to come after Black Widow and swat her aside in the Avengers, or fight his team mates. He was even ready to kill Abomination until Betty pleaded with him to stop.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Give Hulk an enemy like Wendigo. He has power levels like the Hulk, and also is a cannibal, so Hulk can smash him without hesitation. It provides the opportunity to bring in Wolverine, and also can be a nod to Ultimate Hulk who was a cannibal. People in the back woods of Canada could think it was the Hulk who was eating people, with Wolverine sent out to investigate. It would set up a fight between them, but then would turn out that Wendigo is actually the culprit.

The only question is whether you need someone like Shaman of Alpha Flight to turn Wendigo back to human, or do you have Wolverine or Hulk kill him? If that does happen, I would rather Wolverine be the one to kill him and not Hulk.

I prefer the idea (taken from the TV series Hulk) that his own morality as a human guides his morality as the Hulk and therefore he won't harm or kill others. But they haven't really adhered to that in the MCU, with Hulk ready to come after Black Widow and swat her aside in the Avengers, or fight his team mates. He was even ready to kill Abomination until Betty pleaded with him to stop.

This is an incredible idea.

 

[Iceman]

Give Hulk an enemy like Wendigo. He has power levels like the Hulk, and also is a cannibal, so Hulk can smash him without hesitation. It provides the opportunity to bring in Wolverine, and also can be a nod to Ultimate Hulk who was a cannibal. People in the back woods of Canada could think it was the Hulk who was eating people, with Wolverine sent out to investigate. It would set up a fight between them, but then would turn out that Wendigo is actually the culprit.

The only question is whether you need someone like Shaman of Alpha Flight to turn Wendigo back to human, or do you have Wolverine or Hulk kill him? If that does happen, I would rather Wolverine be the one to kill him and not Hulk.

I prefer the idea (taken from the TV series Hulk) that his own morality as a human guides his morality as the Hulk and therefore he won't harm or kill others. But they haven't really adhered to that in the MCU, with Hulk ready to come after Black Widow and swat her aside in the Avengers, or fight his team mates. He was even ready to kill Abomination until Betty pleaded with him to stop.

I would be totally happy with a Hulk-Wendigo-Wolverine love triangle to give Hulk the kind of enemy he’s been lacking where he can really let loose, and intro Wolverine in style away from X-Men. This sounds like a great solution. I’d prefer if killing wasn’t needed for this story too.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would be totally happy with a Hulk-Wendigo-Wolverine love triangle to give Hulk the kind of enemy he’s been lacking where he can really let loose, and intro Wolverine in style away from X-Men. This sounds like a great solution. I’d prefer if killing wasn’t needed for this story too.

If they had a cameo from Shaman, it could be a link to Alpha Flight. Hulk and Wolverine could subdue Wendigo, and then Logan can say he knows a man who deals with this kind of mystical stuff and bring in Dr Michael Twoyoungmen for the cure.

 

[Iceman]

If they had a cameo from Shaman, it could be a link to Alpha Flight. Hulk and Wolverine could subdue Wendigo, and then Logan can say he knows a man who deals with this kind of mystical stuff and bring in Dr Michael Twoyoungmen for the cure.

May as well take the opportunity to plant the Alpha Flight seed.

 

[Roose Bolton]

If you believe that Louis Leterrier that was going around, he and Norton played on doing the Wendigo story.

 

[Bayne]

Hulk needs a movie where he can actually put up a good fight and also be heroic. At least the Ruffalo version does anyway. It's been 12 years since TIH, which almost feels like a pre-MCU movie. Since the Avengers, Hulk has been beaten by Iron Man (Hulkbuster), Thor, Thanos and has not really had a good fight against anyone. He keeps fighting his team mates or just fights cannon fodder like the Chitauri, Ultron bots or Thanos's army. He never even had a rematch against Thanos.

It would've even been cool for him to fight Black Dwarf, or Cull Obsidian as he was renamed. That would've been a potential match up of two monsters. But Black Dwarf just got squashed by Ant-Man and Hulk didn't do much of anything.

He needs another Abomination-like villain to fight who is an outright villain. Even fighting Wolverine, while fun and historic to see, would still be a case of him fighting another hero.

But if it's Professor Hulk he's not going to be very effective anyway or would keep analysing everything. I don't think he could even get stronger the madder he gets.

I'm not sure if I'm conflating the marvel character with the mythological beast or not here, so someone remind me: does killing the Marvel Wendigo transfer the curse to you and make you the new Wendigo or not?

If so, it's not really a character who can be killed, especially by our heroes.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I def want to see an adaptation of when Logan met Hulk for the first time. That said, if the rights are ever finally cleared up (Meaning Disney gives Universal it's pound of flesh, which honestly, these days there's no excuse given the money Disney is swimming in...) I would want to see these cats fighting Jade Jaws in live action.


U-Foes - Wikipedia

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm not sure if I'm conflating the marvel character with the mythological beast or not here, so someone remind me: does killing the Marvel Wendigo transfer the curse to you and make you the new Wendigo or not?

If so, it's not really a character who can be killed, especially by our heroes.

Not that I know of. But if one person becomes the Wendigo (by engaging in cannibalism in the Canadian woods), that would automatically cure the previous host of the Wendigo.

I hope that either in a new Hulk film, or even in She-Hulk (but preferably a Hulk film) they have a flashback to Hulk's origins. I would honestly like them to retcon his origin to something closer to the comics. I don't really want the dentist's chair taken from the TV series or the Hulk simply being a version of the Super Soldier Serum experiment.

I'd prefer a Gamma Bomb explosion and his origin connected to nuclear testing. I thought the comic origin was much better, because he didn't just bring it on himself but it was a heroic act to save Rick Jones. And also it has a Cold War feel with allusions to the atomic age, and even makes him a bit similar to a monster like Godzilla who was born out of nuclear testing (or at least awakened by that). Also, the Gamma Bomb explosion looks so much more dramatic than sitting in the dentist's chair (although the way they did it with the spooky music on the TV series did ramp up the tension).

Although people don't do atomic testing anymore, and had stopped even by the 1970s (the time of the TV series), it could've been a once-off experiment. It would be similar to how Carol Danvers got her powers in the Captain Marvel movie where she absorbed the blast of that explosion, or even similar to the Particle Accelerator exploding in The Flash TV show.

So I would welcome a retcon, even if it wipes out part of the Incredible Hulk continuity from the MCU. And in fact, it doesn't even have to wipe that out of continuity. We only assume that Banner became the Hulk from that opening sequence in the credits. But if you watch carefully, who is to say that he wasn't already the Hulk before he sat in the chair?



The dentist's chair could've simply been one of his experiments to try to cure himself of the Hulk but it exacerbated the problem further. He could already have received his powers from that massive dose of Gamma Rays when the Gamma Bomb went off. Banner was often trying different experiments to cure himself and they didn't always work. This could've just been one of them and wouldn't contradict things if retconned.

After all, Marvel retconned the ending of TIH with Tony Stark so that it was interpreted differently to the way it was first presented in the end credits.

 

[Kirmit]

My 2.5 year old has recently gotten into the Hulk. He loves watching action scenes from 2003 Hulk, he happily sits and watches the entire TIH movie but doesn’t like watching anything to do with Avengers Hulk, especially Endgame Hulk. I personally like Avengers Hulk until Endgame that is, I just find it interesting that he doesn’t. He does like Thor Ragnorok Hulk but not nearly as much as TIH Hulk.