Utopia#Part- 1 The one world government

[hippie_hunter]

I can already tell you that I won't like it, I am deeply opposed to socialism.

 

[SuperFerret]

That’s a pretty dumb comparison , Hitler just wanted to rule all of the world for his own selfish gain.

thank you. My plan does not involve conquering. conquering would never work. Becuase those people will become terrorists or patriots or whatever you want to call them, and they would fight for Independance.

You're still taking over other countries. You percieve yourself to be benevolent in this, but the people of the other countries (many with a strong patriotic will) will see this as an invasion.

 

[Danger Mouse]

You're still taking over other countries. You percieve yourself to be benevolent in this, but the people of the other countries (many with a strong patriotic will) will see this as an invasion.

As I understand it, Spider-Bite's idea is that those countries will be presented with an option to join or otherwise. Admission will not be imposed upon.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I don't mean to sound like an ******* but the plan will never work. First off by gaining control of these countrys we'd have to end up using force. No one is going to straight up give up their land to us, even if it is for a greater cause. IF world peace is ever reached, which it won't because there will always be evil, one day someone will end up ruling this one nation and will do evil things. I guess you can consider it the "Anti-Christ" but I don't want to get into a religious debate if there will be one or not.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I can already tell you that I won't like it, I am deeply opposed to socialism.

that's horribly biased and unobjective. Every socialist policy should be decided on by how it will effect the country and not by whether not it's socialist. A socialist policy can be good or bad. They aren't all the same.

 

[hippie_hunter]

that's horribly biased and unobjective. Every socialist policy should be decided on by how it will effect the country and not by whether not it's socialist. A socialist policy can be good or bad. They aren't all the same.

It's mostly on my views of government, not the ideals of socialism. I beleive in small government and socialism just screams big government.

 

[cryptic name]

Right now scientists are working on a genetically modifying plants so that they can grow in the dessert, with less water, last longer without spoiling, more untritous, grow faster and produce more food, and resistant to disease. Nobody knows how far off they are from being able to grow in the desert. It could be five years, or it could be 50.

Right now a gene has been created the 'terminator' gene. It was developed for the purpose of allowing investors who genetically modify plants to protect their investment. When the terminator gene is inserted into the plants genome, then in order for a plants seedlings to grow, the mother plant would need to have been previously exposed to either a beam of light at a certain fequency at just the right stage of development, or a certain chemical at just the right stage of development. this way you can't just buy a genetically modified orange and suddenly be able to grow it wherever you want for free.

Now that this science lesson is out of the way, here is my plan for world peace, a successfuly way to acheive a one world government.

The government invests mega money into this research and develops plants that can grow in the desert, itself, and regulates genetic research to prevent private investors from coming up with the technology. Once we have that technology, the government grows a caboodle of it, and sells it to other countries. half the money the government uses to give the American people a tax break, and the other half, the government sets aside. We will call that money set aside, the Transition reserve, while talking about it here.

After 10 years of building up our transition reserve, and enjoying lower taxes, and stronger ecnomic prosperity, we make an offer to Mexico. We join up and become one big country. Because of your low population density, we can use your currently worthless desert land, to grow a lot more food than we do now. It would be in the ecnomic best interests of both our countries to join up and become one big country. We use the transition reserves, to help cover the cost of making this transition into one big country, as the first few years will require a lot of work and management. We'd have to rework their schools, courtrooms, and so on. And it would take a good 10 years to bring their economic standards up to par.

About 10 years after we join up with mexico, we then make the offer to another country, then another country, and another country and so on. Each time we joined up with another country our ecnomy would get stronger and stronger, because each time we join up, we now have even more land to put the genetically modified crops to use. Over time the price at which we sell these plants could become dirt cheap, because we'd be able to sell so much of it, after joining up with so many countries. This would give this new government a positive image in the minds of third world countries.

Middle easter countries who currently hate the U.S., would no longer have a country to hate, because eventually what used to be the United States, is now just a small part of a much larger community. And the citizens of those countries would desperately want to join up with us to escape their own poverty and oppression.

The long term goal of a one world government would take a long time to reach. Not every country would want to join up at day one, but gradually one by one, each country would choose to join up with us. Even China would want to, as a means to escape their over population and high population density.

And the entire world would save money on military expenses. We'd have world peace. And we could use governmental social programs to help desegregate the world to mix up the cultures, because exposure promotes tolerance and acceptance. It is possible for this to work. There are obstacles which I'll talk about later, which I have anticipated and already thought of counter measures for. Feel free to talk about this and pick it apart. I feel many of you will dismiss this merely because you think it's too good to be true. A lot of people have said world peace is impossible, and because of that they would dismiss this, but let's talk about this plan!

no thanks

 

[Kritish]

It's mostly on my views of government, not the ideals of socialism. I beleive in small government and socialism just screams big government.

We'll see how you feel about that when you can't afford your health care.

 

[cryptic name]

rather have expensive quality health care than free s**ty health care

 

[hippie_hunter]

We'll see how you feel about that when you can't afford your health care.

I get free government health care and let me tell you, it blows in New York State.

And really, it's not the governments responsibilty over MY health. It's mine.

 

[Kritish]

rather have expensive quality health care than free s**ty health care

Sweden has better hospitals than America.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sweden has better hospitals than America.

You've said that before and looking it up, I personally beleive that it is not. Not only that, most medical innovations come from, guess what, America.

 

[Kritish]

You've said that before and looking it up, I personally beleive that it is not. Not only that, most medical innovations come from, guess what, America.

I have a friend that came from Sweden but moved here to work. America invents a lot of the crap the world uses but Sweden and other places make sure that everyone can get a hold of it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I have a friend that came from Sweden but moved here to work. America invents a lot of the crap the world uses but Sweden and other places make sure that everyone can get a hold of it.

1. I don't like the way they say doctors are in Sweden

2. It's in MY PERSONAL OPINION, that it is not the government's responsibility to provide healthcare. Really debating about healthcare is pointless because it mostly depends on a persons views on how government should be run. And it is rather impossible to change a person's beliefs. Take a look at celldog. He's a complete idiot and he's wrong nearly everytime, yet he still believes in the stupid crap that he does.

3. What works in Sweden, doesn't mean that it is going to work in America. A huge reason why there is no government healthcare is simply because most Americans do not want to pay high tax rates to pay for a socialized system. Not only that, most Americans are not socialists.

4. The reason why most innovations in medicine come from America is because it is privatized. There are greedy bastards out there that want to make a profit. And if helping people delivers that profit, so be it.

 

[Kritish]

It doesn't matter what we think about it. The dudes up in DC are going to decide what happens.

 

[hippie_hunter]

And the dudes up in DC aren't going to impliment nationalized health care. And how we think does influence them, mostly because they want our votes.

 

[Kritish]

And the dudes up in DC aren't going to impliment nationalized health care. And how we think does influence them, mostly because they want our votes.

We'll see, I doubt it would be an instant thing. Nor do I think people's taxes would go up that much. We spend billions on global aide to Africa, I bet that'd make a big dent right there.

 

[Addendum]

And we're responsible for electing them.

Our politicians are the "best" of America, the cream of the crop. Doesn't say much about us does it

 

[blind_fury]

A world government would need to become fascist to keep control of billions of people. It's a bad idea.

What happens when the government goes bad? Where can you emmigrate to? Mars?

 

[Abaddon]

 

[Addendum]

Superheroes are fascist

 

[Abaddon]

your face is fascist.

 

[cryptic name]

And we're responsible for electing them.

Our politicians are the "best" of America, the cream of the crop. Doesn't say much about us does it

no they're not. the best America has to offer wouldn't waste their time with politics

 

[Spider-Bite]

As I understand it, Spider-Bite's idea is that those countries will be presented with an option to join or otherwise. Admission will not be imposed upon.

Yes exactly. Forcing them to join against their will wouldn't work, becuase people would feel oppressed and they would lash out most likely in the form of terrorism or a civil war.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't mean to sound like an ******* but the plan will never work. First off by gaining control of these countrys we'd have to end up using force. No one is going to straight up give up their land to us, even if it is for a greater cause. IF world peace is ever reached, which it won't because there will always be evil, one day someone will end up ruling this one nation and will do evil things. I guess you can consider it the "Anti-Christ" but I don't want to get into a religious debate if there will be one or not.

I'm not telling anybody to give their land to the U.S. anymore than I'm telling the U.S. to give their land to those countries. i'm talking about an erasing of the borders that seperate us. The border between the U.S. and mexico becomes no more of a border than the border between Wisconsin and Illinois is right now. A meaningless border that any person can drive across at time they choose.