vegata( when he first came to earth) vs superman

[Sloth7d]

Goku is a hero to some people so he'll never lose.
People can't accept that he can lose and will think up 100 stupid reason why he can, just like many people say Batman can beat anyone with Prep-time or build a instant kill gun.

Sorry,but I'm one of those people who think the Z-fighters own all.
Not cause anyone of them are my heroes or anything. It's just I really DO think the Z-warriors are overpowered, and that it would take a god to even give them a challenge.

I hope that doesn't change anyones perception of me, though I know it will.

 

[Leto Atrides]

Other people are ludicrously owerpowered. Case-in-point Superman, under some writers.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sorry,but I'm one of those people who think the Z-fighters own all.
Not cause anyone of them are my heroes or anything. It's just I really DO think the Z-warriors are overpowered, and that it would take a god to even give them a challenge.

I hope that doesn't change anyones perception of me, though I know it will.

It's that whole, "I think that it would take a god to even give them a challenge thing" when some of the feats they've done are pretty minor in comparison.

 

[Warhammer]

At least you were honest.

 

[Sloth7d]

It's that whole, "I think that it would take a god to even give them a challenge thing" when some of the feats they've done are pretty minor in comparison.

You think killing a lord of worlds and out shining a supreme kai in power is minor?
Or launching planet destroying waves? Or moving FTL? Or beating someone up in the form of a candyball?
I guess I'm the only one.......but then again most people will disagree.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Other people are ludicrously owerpowered. Case-in-point Superman, under some writers.

superman prime and pre crisis to be exact

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You think killing a lord of worlds and out shining a supreme kai in power is minor?
Or launching planet destroying waves? Or moving FTL? Or beating someone up in the form of a candyball?
I guess I'm the only one.......but then again most people will disagree.

Faster than light travel through circumvention of the laws of physics, so that they don't apply, against physically shattering the luminal barrier? Lame.

And the whole "smaller than the initial object, but capable of beating up larger enemies" bit was done by the Wasp. So double lame.

The Supreme Kai seemed kind of...crap. You know, since he was and all, with his inability to dictate who was more powerful, and getting his butt royally handed to him by underlings.


And if you think Superman hasn't fought people that put the entire universe in a constant threat single handedly and won? Check again.

Darkseid would make make DBZ characters WISH they only had Buu to fight on a daily basis.

 

[MSGohan]

The Supreme Kai seemed kind of...crap. You know, since he was and all, with his inability to dictate who was more powerful, and getting his butt royally handed to him by underlings.

By underlings??? cool you consider Buu as an underling... The characters in DB doesn't have powers like being able to erase someone out of existens. It has to be done trhough fighting. You can compare it to the old chinese Kung Fu, where it is about fighting skills and power whethere you beat your opponent. But you can't really compare a Chinese Martial Arts Master to a US Marine for example.. Ofcourse the Marine can destroy the Master, because he has guns and weapons that the Master can't do anything against...

And if you think Superman hasn't fought people that put the entire universe in a constant threat single handedly and won? Check again.

Putting the universe in a thread, by having a special ability that can destroy the universe, while they sit on their bot, yet they are unable to destroy some inferior creature (compared to the universe)?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

By underlings??? cool you consider Buu as an underling... The characters in DB doesn't have powers like being able to erase someone out of existens. It has to be done trhough fighting. You can compare it to the old chinese Kung Fu, where it is about fighting skills and power whethere you beat your opponent. But you can't really compare a Chinese Martial Arts Master to a US Marine for example.. Ofcourse the Marine can destroy the Master, because he has guns and weapons that the Master can't do anything against...

Looks like I've hurt SOMEONE'S feelings.

Warhammer, why can't they just... you know... shut up or something?

And, yes, I can compare them since we're comparing people who've fought them, and using them as the basis for their feats. Because if that's the case, then you can't use magical Buu, since he's so powerful, and can destroy planets, and can use insane amounts of energy to breach dimensional barriers.

Putting the universe in a thread, by having a special ability that can destroy the universe, while they sit on their bot, yet they are unable to destroy some inferior creature (compared to the universe)?

And if you think that's Darkseid, then you REALLY need to review him.

 

[MSGohan]

And, yes, I can compare them since we're comparing people who've fought them, and using them as the basis for their feats. Because if that's the case, then you can't use magical Buu, since he's so powerful, and can destroy planets, and can use insane amounts of energy to breach dimensional barriers.

There is a difference between using a sword or a machine gun in a Martials Arts fight. I was refering to the fact that ppl always mentions, that Superman can just "think you away" and stuff like that. I didn't refer to that Superman's punches is so hard that they easily can wreck planets...

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

There is a difference between using a sword or a Machine in a Martials Arts fight. I was refering to the fact that ppl always mentions, that Superman can just "think you away" and stuff like that. I didn't refer to that Superman's punches is so hard that they easily can wreck planets...

But it ISN'T a martial arts fight. It's a fight, fight. And like most things in the DBZ/Marvel/DC universes, in a fight fight, anything goes. Magic, black holes, gods, goats, shotguns, everything. So if you're going to assume that Vegeta, Goku, Mystic Gohan (who could've been cooler, but wasn't) or Piccolo (who WAS the coolest) would be fighting it like a tournament, rather than an apocalyptic threat (which it would be if it were all out), then they're definitely going to get creamed by someone like Superman or Buu, or Darkseid, or Galactus, or something.


And really, a machine is basically the more intelligent version of the sword, so there's no difference when it comes down to using a weapon at all.

 

[MSGohan]

You always mis the points when you study Physics?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You always mis the points when you study Physics?

Hardly. Though, like everyone else, I do confuse a number or two once in the while.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Don't know how strong he (Spectre) is...

Spectre is the wrath of God (the mader God is the more power Spectre get), he works on a multiversal scale, and if at 100% (basicly the Presence/ God) he would be able to destroy everything in the DC multiveres.

When Prime beat him he had the power to undo galaxies.

 

[Sloth7d]

Faster than light travel through circumvention of the laws of physics, so that they don't apply, against physically shattering the luminal barrier? Lame.
Opinion=above statement
And the whole "smaller than the initial object, but capable of beating up larger enemies" bit was done by the Wasp. So double lame.
Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Wasp has never dramatically overpowered anyone while she was 1/1000th their size. Much less a candyball with no arms legs or anything.

The Supreme Kai seemed kind of...crap. You know, since he was and all, with his inability to dictate who was more powerful, and getting his butt royally handed to him by underlings.
Yet he is strong enough to beat Frieza in maybe a few hits. And if you consider Dabura an underling your wrong. He's more like a right hand knight. Not to mention he is a supreme kai who's role is abouve the lord of worlds and the grand Kai.


And if you think Superman hasn't fought people that put the entire universe in a constant threat single handedly and won? Check again.

Darkseid would make make DBZ characters WISH they only had Buu to fight on a daily basis.
What, so they can have a challenge?

I'm not convinced my friend.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

vegata comming to earth may not win just because he might not be durible enought to last with superman. he may have the power to cause damage to the planet butif superman doesnt get ko'd after that then its over for vegeta. but if we are talking about after training in 450+ times earths gravity and all his training in space. not to mention hes is at ssj2, then supes looses because superman will get pounded to death

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not convinced my friend.

Don't be convinced. But before you go on and solidify it, make sure you know more on the subject.


Faster than light travel? Not opinion. Fact. The only way to pass the speed of light is to circumvent it somehow. This definitely goes double for instantaneous movement, which would literally have to remove someone from space and time, and place them somewhere else in it right away.

Superman Pre-Crisis had no ability to warp speed or time that way, he simply crashed right on through it.

As for the Wasp thing. Call it nonsense if you want. But before you do, make sure you read an issue with her in it previous to Civil War where she actually uses her fists. Her wasps stings alone can bring down entire rooms and buildings.

So when you go with your example of "small but still powerful" remember the Wasp. Because to say she's some lightweight is utter blasphemous ignorance.


And yet the Supreme Kai was STILL a panzy who got his rear handed to him. Where Dabura beat him and a super undertrained Gohan, but that was all he could do, since Fat Buu was capable of killing him, and all the characters that emerged in fights after that were more powerful than Fat Buu aside from Vegeta and lesser characters.


And anybody who really knows comic Darkseid (yeah, it's important that you KNOW comic Darkseid) would definitely know just how powerful he is. Guy who moves solar systems with willpower alone, and who's powers are only limited by sheer willpower, who can move through time and space with no hinderance at all.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

vegata comming to earth may not win just because he might not be durible enought to last with superman. he may have the power to cause damage to the planet butif superman doesnt get ko'd after that then its over for vegeta. but if we are talking about after training in 450+ times earths gravity and all his training in space. not to mention hes is at ssj2, then supes looses because superman will get pounded to death

Superman's comparative strength to a human of just normal training would've meant he had to be on a planet with gravity some 200k times that of Earth's gravity.

 

[Sloth7d]

Don't be convinced. But before you go on and solidify it, make sure you know more on the subject.


Faster than light travel? Not opinion. Fact. The only way to pass the speed of light is to circumvent it somehow. This definitely goes double for instantaneous movement, which would literally have to remove someone from space and time, and place them somewhere else in it right away.
But these laws do not aply to fictional characters.

Superman Pre-Crisis had no ability to warp speed or time that way, he simply crashed right on through it.

As for the Wasp thing. Call it nonsense if you want. But before you do, make sure you read an issue with her in it previous to Civil War where she actually uses her fists.
You hardly see her fight at all
Her wasps stings alone can bring down entire rooms and buildings.


So when you go with your example of "small but still powerful" remember the Wasp. Because to say she's some lightweight is utter blasphemous ignorance.
uh huh......

And yet the Supreme Kai was STILL a panzy who got his rear handed to him. Where Dabura beat him and a super undertrained Gohan, but that was all he could do, since Fat Buu was capable of killing him, and all the characters that emerged in fights after that were more powerful than Fat Buu aside from Vegeta and lesser characters.
And Buu and Dabura are weak?

And anybody who really knows comic Darkseid (yeah, it's important that you KNOW comic Darkseid) would definitely know just how powerful he is. Guy who moves solar systems with willpower alone, and who's powers are only limited by sheer willpower, who can move through time and space with no hinderance at all.
What does this have to do with him being stronger than Buu?[/quote]
.......

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

But these laws do not aply to fictional characters.

They do when you have to compare them inside of the same universe. And since DBZ's universe has little to no definition on the subject, and the only note of faster than light travel seems to be his Instantaneous movement whatevermajig, and Superman's is the only universe that has given this some form of definitions, that's the comparison.

You hardly see her fight at all

That doesn't excuse the truth.

uh huh......

Once again, disclaim it all you want, but read the comics first before you do.

And Buu and Dabura are weak?

Seeing how they're basically the bodybags by the end of the arc. Actually, by like half way through the arc.

What does this have to do with him being stronger than Buu?[/quote]
.......

Dude, seriously, you've got some serious thought potential. Don't just go and blindly blow it by not thinking.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Superman's comparative strength to a human of just normal training would've meant he had to be on a planet with gravity some 200k times that of Earth's gravity.

so why couldnt he knock out doomsday? is doomsday more durable then a universe? why didnt supes use his fight speed against him? is doomsday ftl too? doomsday wouldnt even touch ssj2 vegeta. but like i said superman wins this thread. but if we are talking "current" vegeta and "current" superman then supes doesnt stand a chance

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

so why couldnt he knock out doomsday? is doomsday more durable then a universe? why didnt supes use his fight speed against him? is doomsday ftl too? doomsday wouldnt even touch ssj2 vegeta. but like i said superman wins this thread. but if we are talking "current" vegeta and "current" superman then supes doesnt stand a chance

Superman has said it before. Fans have said it before. Comic writers have said it before.


If Superman truly ever went all out on ANY enemy on Earth, he would probably end up destroying it. His strength would cause concussive force WAY too powerful for people around him to survive in. And even if he DID use all of his speed, it wouldn't do a damn bit of difference, since Doomsday's speed was comparable to the Flash's.

Doomsday is literally unkillable. His strength has few to compare to, being capable of lifting several hundred tons of things. If you want to be a fanboy and put people that are not in someone's strength range and say they'll win, go for it. Doomsday, Darkseid, and people like them are simply there to BE undefeatable.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Superman has said it before. Fans have said it before. Comic writers have said it before.


If Superman truly ever went all out on ANY enemy on Earth, he would probably end up destroying it. His strength would cause concussive force WAY too powerful for people around him to survive in. And even if he DID use all of his speed, it wouldn't do a damn bit of difference, since Doomsday's speed was comparable to the Flash's.

Doomsday is literally unkillable. His strength has few to compare to, being capable of lifting several hundred tons of things. If you want to be a fanboy and put people that are not in someone's strength range and say they'll win, go for it. Doomsday, Darkseid, and people like them are simply there to BE undefeatable.

so superman killed doomsday without using his full strenght? that means doomsday isnt that durible. also he weakest for of vegeta going all out better yet not going all out can destroy the whole eatrh to bits. and ssj2 vegeta can follow the flashes movement with ease. so it comes down to who is the better fight.

 

[Warhammer]

Looks like I've hurt SOMEONE'S feelings.

Warhammer, why can't they just... you know... shut up or something?

And, yes, I can compare them since we're comparing people who've fought them, and using them as the basis for their feats. Because if that's the case, then you can't use magical Buu, since he's so powerful, and can destroy planets, and can use insane amounts of energy to breach dimensional barriers.



And if you think that's Darkseid, then you REALLY need to review him.

It will never end.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

so superman killed doomsday without using his full strenght? that means doomsday isnt that durible. also he weakest for of vegeta going all out better yet not going all out can destroy the whole eatrh to bits. and ssj2 vegeta can follow the flashes movement with ease. so it comes down to who is the better fight.

I could beat you to death with my fists without NEARLY using my full strength. So that point was just shot into the realm of invalid.

And... again. Someone making the case for "fighting talent makes them better." They'd have to be in the same RANGE OF STRENGTH AND DURABILITY for that to matter, which they are simply not. Superman's dexterity easily puts them down. Where they can only fight for a few hours or whatnot before starting to lose energy, Superman could fight for DAYS.