vegata( when he first came to earth) vs superman

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

I could beat you to death with my fists without NEARLY using my full strength. So that point was just shot into the realm of invalid.

And... again. Someone making the case for "fighting talent makes them better." They'd have to be in the same RANGE OF STRENGTH AND DURABILITY for that to matter, which they are simply not. Superman's dexterity easily puts them down. Where they can only fight for a few hours or whatnot before starting to lose energy, Superman could fight for DAYS.

thats because dbz was more about the most power then brute strength, therefore they never really dwelled on strength alone even though they are very strong. they have the power to destroy galaxies and are faster then light. they can withstand blows that could destroy the earth. vegeta can fight at super speed in his base form at 450 times earths gravity, now if he turned ssj2, then you can times that by 100. and ssj4 by who knows what. so supes brute strength =/> then ssj2 vegeta vegetas other powers >>>> supermans speed : superman>(in a race) ssj2 vegeta but in a fight vegeta > than superman. fighting ability: vegeta in every way

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

thats because dbz was more about the most power then brute strength, therefore they never really dwelled on strength alone even though they are very strong. they have the power to destroy galaxies and are faster then light. they can withstand blows that could destroy the earth. vegeta can fight at super speed in his base form at 450 times earths gravity, now if he turned ssj2, then you can times that by 100. and ssj4 by who knows what. so supes brute strength =/> then ssj2 vegeta vegetas other powers >>>> supermans speed : superman>(in a race) ssj2 vegeta but in a fight vegeta > than superman. fighting ability: vegeta in every way

Planets, sure, Solar Systems I'll barely tolerate, Galaxies? No. None of them have demonstrated faster than light travel outside of instant movement techniques. If you can get someone to PROVE they could, I'll retract that statement.

So as it stands, Vegeta would be the same speed with Superman I'll say (because I'm nice), Strength would be easily in superman's favor, and at that point, because of durability factors, fighting ability, once again, means very little.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Planets, sure, Solar Systems I'll barely tolerate, Galaxies? No. None of them have demonstrated faster than light travel outside of instant movement techniques. If you can get someone to PROVE they could, I'll retract that statement.

So as it stands, Vegeta would be the same speed with Superman I'll say (because I'm nice), Strength would be easily in superman's favor, and at that point, because of durability factors, fighting ability, once again, means very little.

during the cell saga..cell said that his speed was just as fast as i.t during the battle. but yet cell couldnt keep up with ssj2 gohan. put it like this. can doomsday blow up the earth in one punch? can superman do that? maybe, but vegata can with his power can do that without trying and if he did try ,just like cell did, he could destroy the galaxy. **** broly did it. so can super man take multiple hits with those?

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

during the cell saga..cell said that his speed was just as fast as i.t during the battle. but yet cell couldnt keep up with ssj2 gohan. put it like this. can doomsday blow up the earth in one punch? can superman do that? maybe, but vegata can with his power can do that without trying and if he did try ,just like cell did, he could destroy the galaxy. **** broly did it. so can super man take multiple hits with those?

SSJ2 Seru stated that he just could destroy the solar system.

He was not really faster than Gokou´s instant transmission, just faster than Gokou´s mind. After he teleported, before he could think, Seru was there.

Broly destroying a Galaxy is non-canon, and if it werent it would be a joke.

As you know there is four Galaxies in the DB Universe, there were many blast´s fired by Gojiita, Omega Shenron -- Which was far greater than Burori´s power (more than four times greater). So if that blast ever hit anything it would destroy the universe.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

during the cell saga..cell said that his speed was just as fast as i.t during the battle. but yet cell couldnt keep up with ssj2 gohan. put it like this. can doomsday blow up the earth in one punch? can superman do that? maybe, but vegata can with his power can do that without trying and if he did try ,just like cell did, he could destroy the galaxy. **** broly did it. so can super man take multiple hits with those?

Actually, all the Z characters had to charge serious energy to destroy planets, taking time uninterrupted usually, and couldn't destroy a planet through punches. That sort of power is dealt out to people like Beta Ray Bill, who is easily inside of, and most likely weaker, than Superman.


Hell, Buu destroyed planets one at a time, and had to recharge afterward.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Actually, all the Z characters had to charge serious energy to destroy planets, taking time uninterrupted usually, and couldn't destroy a planet through punches. That sort of power is dealt out to people like Beta Ray Bill, who is easily inside of, and most likely weaker, than Superman.


Hell, Buu destroyed planets one at a time, and had to recharge afterward.

Boo never destroyed a planet canon, how can you tell?
Havent you read the manga.

Seru clearly states that he can obliterate the solar-system.

 

[Keollyn]

SSJ2 Seru stated that he just could destroy the solar system.

He was not really faster than Gokou´s instant transmission, just faster than Gokou´s mind. After he teleported, before he could think, Seru was there.

Broly destroying a Galaxy is non-canon, and if it werent it would be a joke.

As you know there is four Galaxies in the DB Universe, there were many blast´s fired by Gojiita, Omega Shenron -- Which was far greater than Burori´s power (more than four times greater). So if that blast ever hit anything it would destroy the universe.

*cough*horse*****cough*

Sorry. Let me clear my throat.

Can you prove Gogeta and Yi Xing Long are four times more powerful than Burori. Oh, since, I dunno... he destroyed that galaxy in a psuedo-Supa-Saiyajin form....

Waits for yet another feeble response

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

SSJ2 Seru stated that he just could destroy the solar system.

He was not really faster than Gokou´s instant transmission, just faster than Gokou´s mind. After he teleported, before he could think, Seru was there.

Broly destroying a Galaxy is non-canon, and if it werent it would be a joke.

As you know there is four Galaxies in the DB Universe, there were many blast´s fired by Gojiita, Omega Shenron -- Which was far greater than Burori´s power (more than four times greater). So if that blast ever hit anything it would destroy the universe.

yet frieza destroyed planet vegeta with one finger without breaking a sweat in his weakest form. ssj goku defeated freisa in his final form practically easy and ssj goku and perfect cell are way stronger then ssj goku whrn he just transformed. and buu could destroy cell with one move without even trying. therefore buu can destroy a solar system. basically by destroying the sun if nothing else

 

[MSGohan]

Broly destroying a Galaxy is non-canon, and if it werent it would be a joke.

As you know there is four Galaxies in the DB Universe, there were many blast´s fired by Gojiita, Omega Shenron -- Which was far greater than Burori´s power (more than four times greater). So if that blast ever hit anything it would destroy the universe.

1. I only heard about this only 4-galaxies in the anime in the US-dubbed version. In the Japanese version they don't say Northern galaxy, but rather the Nothern part of the universe. Do they say 4 galaxies in the manga?

2. You're the one who keep insisting on people only and ONLY should stay with the Manga and not anything else like movies or the anime, now you talk about GT?

3. Besides they control their powers, if they didn't, then why didn't the planet got destroyed in the Cell or Boo saga, by a simple energy blast, which was far more powerfull than Vegeta's earlier blasts where he could destroy planets...

 

[Sloth7d]

1. I only heard about this only 4-galaxies in the anime in the US-dubbed version. In the Japanese version they don't say Northern galaxy, but rather the Nothern part of the universe. Do they say 4 galaxies in the manga?

2. You're the one who keep insisting on people only and ONLY should stay with the Manga and not anything else like movies or the anime, now you talk about GT?

3. Besides they control their powers, if they didn't, then why didn't the planet got destroyed in the Cell or Boo saga, by a simple energy blast, which was far more powerfull than Vegeta's earlier blasts where he could destroy planets...

Exactly. I never understood why people don't understand this.

 

[param]

Superman only stands a chance upto Ssj2 era in DBZ. Anything after that is over kill Especialy for the Post Crisis since he cannot survive Solar System busters head on. Supes 1M is a different story and can pretty much challenge Kid Buu who once vaped a galaxy. Ssj4+ levels are overkill even for Supes 1M, only PC supes could take such power.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Boo never destroyed a planet canon, how can you tell?
Havent you read the manga.

Seru clearly states that he can obliterate the solar-system.

And I technically can destroy an entire city city, after constructing an atomic class weapon.


He had to CHARGE all sorts of energy. It wasn't, "Hey look, solar system gone!!" And it was done that way. If such were the case, he definitely wouldn't have had such a hard time against Goku or Gohan.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

yet frieza destroyed planet vegeta with one finger without breaking a sweat in his weakest form. ssj goku defeated freisa in his final form practically easy and ssj goku and perfect cell are way stronger then ssj goku whrn he just transformed. and buu could destroy cell with one move without even trying. therefore buu can destroy a solar system. basically by destroying the sun if nothing else

Once again, after serious charge up of energy. If I wanted to do things of feats that just go without the explanation of why, Superman Prime can just throw planets at these guys, and then nail them with his faster than light travel punches.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

1. I only heard about this only 4-galaxies in the anime in the US-dubbed version. In the Japanese version they don't say Northern galaxy, but rather the Nothern part of the universe. Do they say 4 galaxies in the manga?

2. You're the one who keep insisting on people only and ONLY should stay with the Manga and not anything else like movies or the anime, now you talk about GT?

3. Besides they control their powers, if they didn't, then why didn't the planet got destroyed in the Cell or Boo saga, by a simple energy blast, which was far more powerfull than Vegeta's earlier blasts where he could destroy planets...

Agreed. GT should NOT be considered in this.

And you're right about the control. Besides, if they just let their powers go unchecked, they'd probably blow up anyway. So control is definitely in there.

 

[Sloth7d]

600 post! Yay!

 

[saiyan jedi]

Once again, after serious charge up of energy. If I wanted to do things of feats that just go without the explanation of why, Superman Prime can just throw planets at these guys, and then nail them with his faster than light travel punches.

vegeta destoryed a planet with only two fingers almost instantly.
frieza destroyed many planets with very little charge time
boo destroyed earth with a small blast,with no charge time

 

[MSGohan]

If I wanted to do things of feats that just go without the explanation of why, Superman Prime can just throw planets at these guys, and then nail them with his faster than light travel punches.

As if hitting them with "rocks" is going to hurt them...

 

[Sloth7d]

I know someone who can beat superman.
This message board describes it all.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=915410&topic=29568520&page=0

Sora would pwn him.

 

[Sloth7d]

fix'd it.

 

[Sloth7d]

As if hitting them with "rocks" is going to hurt them...

Not a bit.

 

[ghostrider4ever]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mtkV_yz4oS4&search=goku vs superman

Sloth7d you have to see this battle. You are going to like superman afterwards. Goku didn't turn super saiyan.

 

[ghostrider4ever]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Y8or8CxKMQ&search=goku vs superman

You guys are gonna like this battle as well. Enjoy the fight.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

1. I only heard about this only 4-galaxies in the anime in the US-dubbed version. In the Japanese version they don't say Northern galaxy, but rather the Nothern part of the universe. Do they say 4 galaxies in the manga?

Sothen, Western and Easten are also mentioned. -- They said that evry galaxy had their own Kaioshin, and there was five of them (four including fat one)

2. You're the one who keep insisting on people only and ONLY should stay with the Manga and not anything else like movies or the anime, now you talk about GT?

I said if.

3. Besides they control their powers, if they didn't, then why didn't the planet got destroyed in the Cell or Boo saga, by a simple energy blast, which was far more powerfull than Vegeta's earlier blasts where he could destroy planets...

Yeah, and Majin Boo wouldent throw so much power into a blast it would be able to destroy a planet (while fighing FpSSJ3 Gokou).
It isn´t actually controlled, since the lager the explotion is the more power is in the blast, and the flames would consume the earth.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Y8or8CxKMQ&search=goku%20vs%20superman

You guys are gonna like this battle as well. Enjoy the fight.

Gokou is cooler than Superman ever will be -- And probobly just Prime and Pre-crisis would take on the Z-fightier´s.

 

[MSGohan]

Sothen, Western and Easten are also mentioned. -- They said that evry galaxy had their own Kaioshin, and there was five of them (four including fat one)

I couldn't find this info? Where do you get it from?

Yeah, and Majin Boo wouldent throw so much power into a blast it would be able to destroy a planet (while fighing FpSSJ3 Gokou).
It isn´t actually controlled, since the lager the explotion is the more power is in the blast, and the flames would consume the earth.

There is a difference between a controlled and more dens energy blast (like Frieza's lazer attack), and a more destructive one. Those planet shattering attack have huge area effect (how would it otherwise destroy a planet). but is they use such attacks against one person that would a whole lot a waste of energy, because it's not concentrated like if it was a smaller blast where all of the blast could hit the enemy.
Nappa destroyed that huge area with his fingers and with ease. But surely he used more powers to attack Goku here. But that blast didn't have huge area effect (like some others that explode at the target...).