vegata( when he first came to earth) vs superman

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Potential alone dictated that.

And the planets he visited were nowhere near even five times the size of Earth, so he was always dealing with less than 5 G.

namek was huge, pui pui's planet was 10x gravity as well...did u even look at that last clip i showed u? he was doing pushups with one finger, flying , flipping, doing handstands in 450 times gravity. all in less than a year

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The pic where he merely told the professor he wanted to train at that level?


And if Namek were really that much bigger, it would've given people, (Gohan) problems in noticable movement.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Agreed. I never doubted him getting there. And I know he got even further. But people simply can't use an example of a future version to support the older versions strength, unless it were a correlation.

you doubted thier training ability and stamina a few pages back so i brought up their training in intense gravity to give an example.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

The pic where he merely told the professor he wanted to train at that level?


And if Namek were really that much bigger, it would've given people, (Gohan) problems in noticable movement.

not the pic this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnfIHi5UcA

 

[Gotenks]

The pic where he merely told the professor he wanted to train at that level?


And if Namek were really that much bigger, it would've given people, (Gohan) problems in noticable movement.

True.
Im pretty sure Namek had about the same gravity as Earth.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

but like i said. ssj2 vegeta vs pre or post=ssj2 vegeta. anything prior to ssj= supes(but not the cartoon version ,s weak)

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

but in dbz planetary size doesnt equal how much gravity there is

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

not the pic this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnfIHi5UcA

I didn't even notice it.

My apologies.

But it only seems to be that he mastered 450 by the end, which would be very low in comparison to Superman's strength levels.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

but in dbz planetary size doesnt equal how much gravity there is

Actually, there wasn't too much mention on it. So it was just assumed that bigger mass, bigger gravity.

 

[Jplaya2023]

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

I didn't even notice it.

My apologies.

But it only seems to be that he mastered 450 by the end, which would be very low in comparison to Superman's strength levels.

noooo, that was before the android saga. he didnt even become ssj yet

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Actually, there wasn't too much mention on it. So it was just assumed that bigger mass, bigger gravity.

then wat about king kai's planet?

 

[Jplaya2023]

I didn't even notice it.

My apologies.

But it only seems to be that he mastered 450 by the end, which would be very low in comparison to Superman's strength levels.

I'm quite sure its much higher than 450, but using that figure lets say he mastered that in his base form. What about when he goes SSJ and his power incerases by a factor of 25X

 

[saiyan jedi]

Actually, there wasn't too much mention on it. So it was just assumed that bigger mass, bigger gravity.

what about king kais planet
that place wasn't even one mile long

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

noooo, that was before the android saga. he didnt even become ssj yet

Agreed, but they didn't really seem to give any form of time stream aside from when he was visibly struggling. And then when he was doing just fine in 450 to a collapse. So it looks to be an assumed conclusion to his training.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

what about king kais planet
that place wasn't even one mile long

Magical entity sort of deal. The planets throughout the universe didn't seem to be stricken that way.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm quite sure its much higher than 450, but using that figure lets say he mastered that in his base form. What about when he goes SSJ and his power incerases by a factor of 25X

Look, I'm not saying he's weak. But he never is shown to do any great feats of strength outside of the training room, where Superman has been shown time and time again to move thousands of tons of mass.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Agreed, but they didn't really seem to give any form of time stream aside from when he was visibly struggling. And then when he was doing just fine in 450 to a collapse. So it looks to be an assumed conclusion to his training.

assumed is the key word remember saiyans body get stronger after every fight and when he healed he was stronger and able to fully withstand it.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Agreed, but they didn't really seem to give any form of time stream aside from when he was visibly struggling. And then when he was doing just fine in 450 to a collapse. So it looks to be an assumed conclusion to his training.

he was struggling because maybe he was training for hours and maybe he collapsed because he was frustrated because he couldnt turn ssj... and he reached that feat within the same year he started to train in it

 

[Jplaya2023]

Look, I'm not saying he's weak. But he never is shown to do any great feats of strength outside of the training room, where Superman has been shown time and time again to move thousands of tons of mass.

You didnt answer my question.

And what is it with fans of superman showing he's stronger or better by these stupid feats. You dont think that if vegeta had 2 he could move tons of mass?? There has never been a situation in DBZ for vegeta to do so. So we dont know

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Exactly. He CAN do it, but with obvious consequences.

You actually supported me there. That sort of gravitational force would've been noticable to Superman, but he could spend long amounts of time fighting in it without too much consequence other than a likely increased thirst.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Exactly. He CAN do it, but with obvious consequences.

You actually supported me there. That sort of gravitational force would've been noticable to Superman, but he could spend long amounts of time fighting in it without too much consequence other than a likely increased thirst.

that was vegeta's first time training in it. As u can see later in the video he was doing back flip summersaults at ease he was used to it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

assumed is the key word remember saiyans body get stronger after every fight and when he healed he was stronger and able to fully withstand it.

That's to assume he was in a fight, or was seriously injured.


Like I said. Vegeta is not weak to any extent, but Superman's strength range is simply higher. He moves thousands of tons. Thousands. That strength level, given that his weight is about 215, his weight would be only around less than one and one half thousand tons.

And lets say he could definitely do twice that. That's less than three thousand tons.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

that was vegeta's first time training in it. As u can see later in the video he was doing back flip summersaults at ease he was used to it.

Where he collapsed out of breath.


Like I said, doable, but with consequences.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Exactly. He CAN do it, but with obvious consequences.

You actually supported me there. That sort of gravitational force would've been noticable to Superman, but he could spend long amounts of time fighting in it without too much consequence other than a likely increased thirst.

there is a difference between walking and standing in 450+ than actually training(running, flying, fighting at super speeds) in it. Give me and example of superman fighting in 450+ gravity