vegata( when he first came to earth) vs superman

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Where he collapsed out of breath.


Like I said, doable, but with consequences.

not out of breath.. out of frustration

 

[Jplaya2023]

Not all of Buu's punches were mountain shattering level. And Buu, especially during that fight, was more or less just playing around with Goku.

I'll just ask politely to not use movies, since they're not considered cannon.

As for Supe's fighting ability? He's hardly a pushover, and his pure durability makes most of Goku's punches on a more useless level. He probably won't even try to dodge most of his punches. A full charging Superman is basically an unstoppable force of physical power.

And while I do agree Goku will be able to predict Supe's moves, I also move to say he won't have to. Goku's reaction time is far superior to Superman's, and will be able to dodge without prediction. Like I said, Superman has low experience in hyperspeed combat.

Goku's moves are actually kind of limited it seems. While he has a few more tricks up his sleeve over Superman, Superman isn't exactly a one trick pony himself.

But this is where Superman's stamina comes in. Goku is basically a low level stamina in comparison. And while Goku CAN fight for hours, they're always in a constant state of decline and exaustion, where Superman hardly feels those effects for a long long time.

What buu are you watching or were watching really??? Now his punches couldnt shatter mountains when goku and vegeta's missed punches shattered mountains as shown in the anime.

The whole stamina thing for DBZ chars is overrated anyway. Superman has never fought a battle at the speed that the Z chars have fought before that is a fact. Superman has never fought someone that can travel faster than light in battle and can maintain that speed constantly. You dont think goku couldnt fight for long time's fighting a slug like doomsday or darkside?? Please he would easily

Imagine superman having to fight Seru for long periods of times at that speed he would be toast.

 

[Jplaya2023]

That's to assume he was in a fight, or was seriously injured.


Like I said. Vegeta is not weak to any extent, but Superman's strength range is simply higher. He moves thousands of tons. Thousands. That strength level, given that his weight is about 215, his weight would be only around less than one and one half thousand tons.

And lets say he could definitely do twice that. That's less than three thousand tons.

vegeta was injured in the training room and healed (Well in the anime he wasnt fully healed) and went back inthe machine and was used to it.

Vegeta has never had to move a thousand tons so its speculation from both sides on saying if he could do it or not.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

That's to assume he was in a fight, or was seriously injured.


Like I said. Vegeta is not weak to any extent, but Superman's strength range is simply higher. He moves thousands of tons. Thousands. That strength level, given that his weight is about 215, his weight would be only around less than one and one half thousand tons.

And lets say he could definitely do twice that. That's less than three thousand tons.

ssj2 would times that by the thousands. and also add that he is not struggling after he mastered it. hes not only lifting his own body weight, he is doing pushups, flying and many other thing that are going more against the gravity then just standing up.

 

[Gotenks]

Wow you dont have Windows XP? LOL jk.
Thats still the anime. Im not saying that your wrong, but you should of brought a scan of the manga.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Wow you dont have Windows XP? LOL jk.
Thats still the anime. Im not saying that your wrong, but you should of brought a scan of the manga.

i did, change your post per view to 40 and look at the last page.

and windows XP sucks 9X is the best

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

comparing dbz and superman is like comparing 24 to CSI.. one has one storyline all the way through , while the other has different topics that never connect with eachother. one minute superman is this strong, the next minute he's this strong. but he never trains, so how does his power increase and decrease so much? its because he has a million writers that will make his watever they want him to be a that time. so its no way you can compare the dbz magna which has one timeline to the comics with superman that have so many versions and timelines that its rediculous. if u compare the superman in the comic that fought doomsday(post) to ssj,ussj, or ssj2 vegeta. superman would die. but if you compare the planet juggler(pre) superman then maybe it might be a different story.

 

[buutenks]

See? Examples! These I love. Absolutely love. Love them more if Piccolo were involved, but even girls like myself can't have everything.


Let's start then anyway. To destroy a mountain from the inside out would be far easier than destroying it from the outside. But this definitely lends to the durability of the DBZ characters through their energy amplification techniques.

And Goku destroyed an island on a dying planet which was entirely unstable.

The shockwave thing I'll ask for some form of proof since I don't remember it.

Nappa didn't destroy a mountain by colliding with it. They were surrounded by foot hills at the most.

And unless Oozaru Gohan had a comparative destructive event, you can't really utilize him for an arguement.


However, those fights were people showing out at nearly peak power levels under strain. Superman's strength level lends him mountain shattering ability at a cruising level.

Um no if you didn't knew the planet wasn't abput to blow.
Goku didn't went ssj,remember Freeza tried to blow up the planet after Goku went ssj.

And can you stop with the easier to destroy the mountain from the outside then the inside?

nd you want durability.
Freeza couldn't even hurt ssj Goku with his attacks.

Goku at the end of db took an attack that leveled an island.
You should do you're research on dbz before you post because I see that you know nothing about it.

And here is what Vegeta and Goku were doing in the manga:

All the rock formations around them were starting to get destroyed,the whole ground was ripping apart and mountains were falling apart.

And here is what happened in the anime: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hOlPJ10RW5E&search=ssj2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta

So like I said,you should do you're research on dbz.

And you could trust me,I don't lie.

 

[buutenks]

What buu are you watching or were watching really??? Now his punches couldnt shatter mountains when goku and vegeta's missed punches shattered mountains as shown in the anime.

The whole stamina thing for DBZ chars is overrated anyway. Superman has never fought a battle at the speed that the Z chars have fought before that is a fact. Superman has never fought someone that can travel faster than light in battle and can maintain that speed constantly. You dont think goku couldnt fight for long time's fighting a slug like doomsday or darkside?? Please he would easily

Imagine superman having to fight Seru for long periods of times at that speed he would be toast.

Buu not doing any damage to the mountains like Majin Vegeta and ssj2 Goku were is Toriyama's fault.
And this happenes through every show,in other forums this thing is called PIS.

 

[MSGohan]

Mistress Gluon: You always need proof for everything someone states, even if it's something like "Vegeta can go SSJ", you want proof of that. But yet you never give proof.

If Goku's super fast, but only half as strong as Superman, where Superman could definitely spend hours fighting someone in his strength class, Goku's fighting ability wouldn't do him too well for anything more than dodging.

Give proof of where/when Superman has fought someone in his class. When Goku usually fights, he gives it everything he got, that's why he maybe will tire out a bit fast. I haven't seen Superman give it everything he's got and yet continue fighting for a long time. Please give proof.

One of the bigger ideas was that if you were to compare Superman's structure to one of a human's on Earth, Krypton would've had to been around 20,000 times the size of Earth.

Give proof please.

And the planets he visited were nowhere near even five times the size of Earth, so he was always dealing with less than 5 G.

Where do you dig up such information? You don't even give proof.

Actually, there wasn't too much mention on it. So it was just assumed that bigger mass, bigger gravity.

You should know better than all of us, that neither a planets size alone nor the mass alone determines the gravity at the surface on that planet. It's the density that determines it.

You actually supported me there. That sort of gravitational force would've been noticable to Superman, but he could spend long amounts of time fighting in it without too much consequence other than a likely increased thirst.

Lack of proof again. Superman has never shown the ability to fight at super speeds in higher gravities. Maybe he has been on the sun and made that his home, but since the mass of the sun is about 2*10^30 kg, and a radius about 7*10^5 km, it's gravity at the surface would be about 28g...

And I noticed how you were discussing about wether Vegeta could train in 300g at once. Well,
1. For Goku 100g became normal to him, when he reached a powerlevel about, lets say, 60.000 (maybe less then that even).
2. When Vegeta fought Frieza, his powerlevel was WAY higher than that, because he made Krilin injure him, and Dende heal him, so his powerlevel increased alot, and he was standing against the 4th form of Frieza. Frieza's 2nd form had a powerlevel above 1.000.000. So Vegeta's powerlevel most have grown above 1.000.000. Since he became stronger than Piccolo, who kicked Frieza's second form. So Vegeta should be at least, let's say, 15 times stronger than Goku when he trained at 100g. So training at 300g shouldn't be a problem for him. Logically he should be able to train in at least 1500g. But there isn't much logic in DBU... I know... inconsistency, even in the manga. Besides how can something with a mass of 60 kg weigh 180.000 kg in 300g? Shouldn't it be 18.000kg? Another error.

Another thing is,

but like i said. ssj2 vegeta vs pre or post=ssj2 vegeta. anything prior to ssj= supes(but not the cartoon version ,s weak)

The difference between SSJ and SSJ2 can only be seen in DBU among the characters. There aren't much of a difference between their feats. Only at the Frieza saga and before that, their powerlevels was demonstrated with feats, that were greater with increasing powerlevel. You can't compare SSJ and SSJ2 by feats. So why can only SSJ2 Vegeta beat Superman and not SSJ?

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

actuallly for that last statement, i said anything less than ssj=supes not ssj2

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

not out of breath.. out of frustration

Usually when you're gasping for breath, you're out of it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Um no if you didn't knew the planet wasn't abput to blow.
Goku didn't went ssj,remember Freeza tried to blow up the planet after Goku went ssj.

And can you stop with the easier to destroy the mountain from the outside then the inside?

nd you want durability.
Freeza couldn't even hurt ssj Goku with his attacks.

Goku at the end of db took an attack that leveled an island.
You should do you're research on dbz before you post because I see that you know nothing about it.

And here is what Vegeta and Goku were doing in the manga:

All the rock formations around them were starting to get destroyed,the whole ground was ripping apart and mountains were falling apart.

And here is what happened in the anime: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hOlPJ10RW5E&search=ssj2%20Goku%20vs%20Majin%20Vegeta

So like I said,you should do you're research on dbz.

And you could trust me,I don't lie.

I will first start with saying you need to do research in the art of actual comparative debate, because yours is off.

Aw, trying to take stabs at a percieved lack of intelligence?


You should definitely think twice before unwarranted arrogance. To pull one out of your book, you obviously know very little of the universes workings around you. Close to none in fact it would seem. Though I'd like to think you're smarter.

You should do you research on science before you slip back into this little "Don't give facts, just agree" crap. Because I was really enjoying it when you were thinking objectively instead of personally.

The mountain example is solid, so seriously you need to observe it. If you have something against it, prove it wrong. Because an island can be destroyed the same way. And I said that it could be easier destroyed from the inside than the outside. If you're going to try and insult my sayings, at least get it right. (Something could be said for why should I research when you can't even get a post before right, but I'd rather not.) And durability doesn't have too much hold on a conversation when you can actually use the facts of physics.


But I did forget that Frieza only tried to destroy a planet after the transformation.


See, we can fully be adults without going into a "you're dumb as crap" match. It just takes being more than a child.

Either way, a small object charging through with tons of energy could pierce a larger object quite simply, and digging down would release this heavy amount of energy in the area around it, and cause it to crumble due to instability. Hence mountain crumbling, island crumbling, etc.


But once again, I'll say you can't pull something from the future to use in the past unless it is something that could hold true in the past. It's an inconsistent arguement. Since this is an arguement over the first arrival of Vegeta.

Because just because Goku took an attack that could have levelled an island at the end of DBZ, doesn't necessarily mean he could handle it at the beginning.

That's like saying that when Superman first hit the scene, he could stop trains, and by the end of time, he could muffle out supernova blasts against him. What's the point? None, because one is definitely not the same as the next.


But like I said, get some research on actual comparative debate done first, because that was rank amateur at best.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And here I thought you were never going to post here again. And I actually felt you had potential, but here you go and do this.


Last desperate attempt, eh? Well, time for me to get to work, no?

Mistress Gluon: You always need proof for everything someone states, even if it's something like "Vegeta can go SSJ", you want proof of that. But yet you never give proof.

Actually, I do give proof. As much for as I ask? No. You guys won't listen anyway, you have to give pity arguements like this regardless if I did or didn't.

Give proof of where/when Superman has fought someone in his class. When Goku usually fights, he gives it everything he got, that's why he maybe will tire out a bit fast. I haven't seen Superman give it everything he's got and yet continue fighting for a long time. Please give proof.

There's Darkseid, Mongul, the Manhunter on occasion Maxima, and of course Doomsday, who was stronger than he was, and much more durable. (Given the fact Superman was capable of using momentous force, where Doomsday was more or less a plant and punch type)

Give proof please.

Simple. If you were to compare Superman's strength to someone on Earth's, the feats he's been capable of have been easily in the upward range of 200,000 times. Moving moons and such.

Where do you dig up such information? You don't even give proof.

Seeing how you guys allegedly watch this stuff, I'd hope I wouldn't have to.

Oh well.

Gohan, obviously, unless under serious duress, is not as strong as his father. When his father first entered the chamber at less than 50G, showed obvious signs of problems dealing in such gravity. So when Gohan got to Namek, he didn't show any signs of problems dealing on a planet, where they did very little training along the way.

You should know better than all of us, that neither a planets size alone nor the mass alone determines the gravity at the surface on that planet. It's the density that determines it.

I never did say that. Simply saying "More mass, more gravity" easily implies "More mass, more size." Though using technicalities of speech is considered the last ditch effort of one trying to debase someone else. So please, continue to poke at parts that are obvious with technicalities.

Lack of proof again. Superman has never shown the ability to fight at super speeds in higher gravities. Maybe he has been on the sun and made that his home, but since the mass of the sun is about 2*10^30 kg, and a radius about 7*10^5 km, it's gravity at the surface would be about 28g...

Aside from War World?

While the sun IS only 28G upon it's surface, Superman has fought fairly easily in it's embrace. (Though it could be argued that this is because the closer to the sun he gets, the stronger he becomes.) However, Superman has spent some time in space on planets with gravity much heavier than Earth's. And while I cannot quote the comics exactly, it should be fairly obvious with the several years he's been around, it would be more than obvious that the writers would have gotten to this.

Or you could go with the recent fact Superman punched through a red sun (which dramatically decreases his power) at superspeed in physical aggression, landing on Mogo, a planet bigger than Earth, and went into a combat situation utilizing super speed to achieve his entire goal of stopping Superboy Prime. Though, punching through a sun, presumably bigger than our own, at extreme speed in the matter of minutes while continually being drained shows an obvious eptitude to be able to endure high speed combat.

Though if you were listening, I said he's not USED to this sort of fighting, since most of his fighting is at human speed, or just above human speed, but not DBZ speed.

And I noticed how you were discussing about wether Vegeta could train in 300g at once. Well,
1. For Goku 100g became normal to him, when he reached a powerlevel about, lets say, 60.000 (maybe less then that even).
2. When Vegeta fought Frieza, his powerlevel was WAY higher than that, because he made Krilin injure him, and Dende heal him, so his powerlevel increased alot, and he was standing against the 4th form of Frieza. Frieza's 2nd form had a powerlevel above 1.000.000. So Vegeta's powerlevel most have grown above 1.000.000. Since he became stronger than Piccolo, who kicked Frieza's second form. So Vegeta should be at least, let's say, 15 times stronger than Goku when he trained at 100g. So training at 300g shouldn't be a problem for him. Logically he should be able to train in at least 1500g. But there isn't much logic in DBU... I know... inconsistency, even in the manga. Besides how can something with a mass of 60 kg weigh 180.000 kg in 300g? Shouldn't it be 18.000kg? Another error.

Actually, when Goku arrived, he was far stronger than Vegeta, and that was at the 100G mastery, and was capable of fighting 4th form Vegeta at less than 100% of his power, which Vegeta was incapable of keeping up to at that level, being played with of course. And I do believe that he (Frieza) reached a one million power level only during his fourth form after taking a critical blow from a transformed Goku, though do correct me if I'm mistaken. But do use proof. As for my calculation, I'll admit I was wrong. Dark number at the top typing is hardly my strong point. But I can admit when I'm wrong. I hit one more zero in the calculator. I know, I shouldn't be lazy and use one.


Either way, that would put him at a much lesser weight, and thus, would show a much lower level of strength.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Mistress Gluon:"Though if you were listening, I said he's not USED to this sort of fighting, since most of his fighting is at human speed, or just above human speed, but not DBZ speed."

And because of that, supes wont be used to the a$$ woopin he will take because of that disadvantage. Superman with no trainin in that situation wouldnt know wat to do.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Mistress Gluon:"Though if you were listening, I said he's not USED to this sort of fighting, since most of his fighting is at human speed, or just above human speed, but not DBZ speed."

And because of that, supes wont be used to the a$$ woopin he will take because of that disadvantage. Superman with no trainin in that situation wouldnt know wat to do.

See? Somebody listens and thinks.


Though Superman's durability definitely makes the speed advantage not nearly as effective as one would think.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Mistress Gluon:"Actually, when Goku arrived, he was far stronger than Vegeta, and that was at the 100G mastery, and was capable of fighting 4th form Vegeta at less than 100% of his power, which Vegeta was incapable of keeping up to at that level, being played with of course. And I do believe that he (Frieza) reached a one million power level only during his fourth form after taking a critical blow from a transformed Goku, though do correct me if I'm mistaken. But do use proof. As for my calculation, I'll admit I was wrong. Dark number at the top typing is hardly my strong point. But I can admit when I'm wrong. I hit one more zero in the calculator. I know, I shouldn't be lazy and use one."

Goku was stronger than Vegeta went goku first arrived, but whie goku was hurt and vegeta had a power up from the senzu bean that was given to him by goku and the shot that he took from krillin that almost killed him(and was healed by dende), Vegeta was way stronger than wat goku was when he first arrived. Also piccolo merged with nail was at 850,000 while gokus max was 180,000(when he first arrived).. picollo was even with 2 form frieza, who stated that his power level was over 1million.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

See? Somebody listens and thinks.


Though Superman's durability definitely makes the speed advantage not nearly as effective as one would think.

But why is it only a speed advantage? Goku has the strength and power to hurt superman

 

[Jplaya2023]

Actually, when Goku arrived, he was far stronger than Vegeta, and that was at the 100G mastery, and was capable of fighting 4th form Vegeta at less than 100%

What in the world are you talking about 4th form vegeta?? Do you even watch DBZ?

 

[Jplaya2023]

Mistress Gluon:"Actually, when Goku arrived, he was far stronger than Vegeta, and that was at the 100G mastery, and was capable of fighting 4th form Vegeta at less than 100% of his power, which Vegeta was incapable of keeping up to at that level, being played with of course. And I do believe that he (Frieza) reached a one million power level only during his fourth form after taking a critical blow from a transformed Goku, though do correct me if I'm mistaken. But do use proof. As for my calculation, I'll admit I was wrong. Dark number at the top typing is hardly my strong point. But I can admit when I'm wrong. I hit one more zero in the calculator. I know, I shouldn't be lazy and use one."

Goku was stronger than Vegeta went goku first arrived, but whie goku was hurt and vegeta had a power up from the senzu bean that was given to him by goku and the shot that he took from krillin that almost killed him(and was healed by dende), Vegeta was way stronger than wat goku was when he first arrived. Also piccolo merged with nail was at 850,000 while gokus max was 180,000(when he first arrived).. picollo was even with 2 form frieza, who stated that his power level was over 1million.

Piccolo and Vegeta on Namek both have higher base power than goku, its just when goku using kaoken does he become stronger.

 

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Piccolo and Vegeta on Namek both have higher base power than goku, its just when goku using kaoken does he become stronger.

yeah i knew that. i was saying that because she said that goku was stronger

 

[MSGohan]

And here I thought you were never going to post here again. And I actually felt you had potential, but here you go and do this.

Last desperate attempt, eh? Well, time for me to get to work, no?

Sorry to interfer again, but I just couldn't ignore your statements, I tried to resist, but I couldn't stop my self. And please spare me from "Last desperate attempt, eh?"-stuff, we're here to discus not to fight.

Actually, I do give proof. As much for as I ask? No. You guys won't listen anyway, you have to give pity arguements like this regardless if I did or didn't.

There's Darkseid, Mongul, the Manhunter on occasion Maxima, and of course Doomsday, who was stronger than he was, and much more durable. (Given the fact Superman was capable of using momentous force, where Doomsday was more or less a plant and punch type)

Ok, I only have your word on that, but that's ok.

Simple. If you were to compare Superman's strength to someone on Earth's, the feats he's been capable of have been easily in the upward range of 200,000 times. Moving moons and such.

Something you ASSUME, yet when we assume something in DBZ, it's always incorrect because it's never shown in the manga.

Seeing how you guys allegedly watch this stuff, I'd hope I wouldn't have to.

Oh well.

Gohan, obviously, unless under serious duress, is not as strong as his father. When his father first entered the chamber at less than 50G, showed obvious signs of problems dealing in such gravity. So when Gohan got to Namek, he didn't show any signs of problems dealing on a planet, where they did very little training along the way.

Well, here I have to apologize to you, since I thought you were talking about Vegeta. But Gohan should be able to handle at least 10g, after his training for the fight against Vegeta and Nappa, since he became stronger than Raditz, who was a saiyan. And Kaio-sama him self says, that Planet Vegeta has a gravity that is 10 times stronger than earths, and Raditz was a saiyan, so he must be used to 10g with a powerlevel of about 1.000, but Gohan on Namek (if not on earth), was stronger than that. Besides Namek can't have much higher gravity than earth, since Bulma was there with them, it would have been overkill for her, at even 2g.

I never did say that. Simply saying "More mass, more gravity" easily implies "More mass, more size." Though using technicalities of speech is considered the last ditch effort of one trying to debase someone else. So please, continue to poke at parts that are obvious with technicalities.

This wasn't to poke on your comment, I only noticed this, since you were talking about the gravity stuff on Namek or Kaio-sama's planet. I thought you were trying to say that Namek wasn't that much bigger than earth and therefore gravity most be equal. But I see that I was wrong. Forget about this.

Aside from War World?

While the sun IS only 28G upon it's surface, Superman has fought fairly easily in it's embrace. (Though it could be argued that this is because the closer to the sun he gets, the stronger he becomes.) However, Superman has spent some time in space on planets with gravity much heavier than Earth's. And while I cannot quote the comics exactly, it should be fairly obvious with the several years he's been around, it would be more than obvious that the writers would have gotten to this.

Again, you assume he should have been on a planet with much higher gravity than earth, since his been in space for so long time. But this isn't in the comics, then you shouldn't state this. Because when DB-fans states something similar you don't regcognize it and need proof. So this won't be recognized either. Sorry.

Or you could go with the recent fact Superman punched through a red sun (which dramatically decreases his power) at superspeed in physical aggression, landing on Mogo, a planet bigger than Earth, and went into a combat situation utilizing super speed to achieve his entire goal of stopping Superboy Prime. Though, punching through a sun, presumably bigger than our own, at extreme speed in the matter of minutes while continually being drained shows an obvious eptitude to be able to endure high speed combat.
Though if you were listening, I said he's not USED to this sort of fighting, since most of his fighting is at human speed, or just above human speed, but not DBZ speed.

1. Highspeed combat, maybe. But this isn't saying anyting about the gravity.
2. Ok here you say "not-high-speed-combat". But this was about higher gravity than earth.

Actually, when Goku arrived, he was far stronger than Vegeta, and that was at the 100G mastery, and was capable of fighting 4th form Vegeta at less than 100% of his power, which Vegeta was incapable of keeping up to at that level, being played with of course. And I do believe that he (Frieza) reached a one million power level only during his fourth form after taking a critical blow from a transformed Goku, though do correct me if I'm mistaken. But do use proof. As for my calculation, I'll admit I was wrong. Dark number at the top typing is hardly my strong point. But I can admit when I'm wrong. I hit one more zero in the calculator. I know, I shouldn't be lazy and use one.

Either way, that would put him at a much lesser weight, and thus, would show a much lower level of strength.

You just proved that you don't have much knowledge about the details in DBZ.
It's true when Goku arrived he was far stronger than Vegeta. But when vegeta got that senzu bean, he became a little more powerful, since he after that could beat one the last member of the Ginyu force (not Ginyu him self). He also made Krilin put him to near death situation, and make Dende heal him. After all of this his power would definetly be above 1.000.000. Because Frieza's 2nd form as stated in the manga had a powerlevel above 1 mil. And Vegeta could stand against Frieza's 4th form, wich Piccolo couldn't. So he was stronger than Piccolo. And since Piccolo was almost even with Frieza's 2nd form, Vegeta's powerlevel is logically higher than 1 mil, after being healed by Dende.

 

[MSGohan]

The mountain example is solid, so seriously you need to observe it. If you have something against it, prove it wrong. Because an island can be destroyed the same way. And I said that it could be easier destroyed from the inside than the outside. If you're going to try and insult my sayings, at least get it right. (Something could be said for why should I research when you can't even get a post before right, but I'd rather not.) And durability doesn't have too much hold on a conversation when you can actually use the facts of physics.

You keep using the example that it is much easier to destroy an object from within. It's not like they fight inside mountains. They're leveling the mountaining with they shockwaves, from outside.

But I did forget that Frieza only tried to destroy a planet after the transformation.

Only? He destroyed planet Vegeta in his base form.

Because just because Goku took an attack that could have levelled an island at the end of DBZ, doesn't necessarily mean he could handle it at the beginning.

1. Here is Nappa, leveling a whole city with his fingers.
2. Here is Goku, taking a more powerful attack, since his so pissed off and so powered up.

 

[buutenks]

Double post.

 

[buutenks]

You keep using the example that it is much easier to destroy an object from within. It's not like they fight inside mountains. They're leveling the mountaining with they shockwaves, from outside.

Only? He destroyed planet Vegeta in his base form.

1. Here is Nappa, leveling a whole city with his fingers.
2. Here is Goku, taking a more powerful attack, since his so pissed off and so powered up.

Nappa focused his blast on Goku.

And yeah Goku can take that type of attack.