Visualizing A Superman Reboot: Pictures Welcome

[Mr. Socko]

Change the colors of the suit- make them brighter as opposed to muckier

Keep the narrative style of Superman Returns but make a more engaging story, and write in scenes that would visually look amazing. This is Superman, you can think of more to do with such a character than just catching a plane. I felt the eyeshot was absolutely brilliant, better than the entire plane sequence.

Get a better Lois.

Everything else was fine- conversely, just those things(that I felt were wrong with SR in the first place) lessened the entire film.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I'd like to see that chick from Damages as Lois. She looks incredible. Rose something.

Also, I didn't like SR's structure. Felt very unnatural and awkward. I don't usually say something like this, but lets get a more usual structure.

Lighten up the look of the film. Why so drab? Let's see those colors pop out, like in Superman 78.

Let's see Lexcorp.

Finally, let's see an optimistic Superman.

 

[Dr.BruceBanner]

Let's see Lexcorp.

I agree, let's see Lexcorp, but not in this universe. In this universe, it wouldn't make any sense that someone everyone knows to be a dangerous, ruthless, psychopath would be allowed to run his own multi billion dollar corporation.

 

[Dr.BruceBanner]

they need to restart, but they might as well keep brandon.

No. If they're gonna restart, they have to get rid of Brandon. People would just be too confused by the idea of a total restart starring the same actor as before.

 

[fabman]

We need David Fincher to revamp the Superman franchise!

 

[nightcrawler01]

I voted the kid

I mean, Batman Begins followed the comic book very well, I'm a DC fan

Superman having a kid outside of marriage isn't his style

also, Superman loves Lois so much why he leave? That was soooooo dumb

I'm sick of Lex Luthor being the criminal mastermind. Lex, in the comic book was respected by many people, he almost became president!!!

Singer turned Superman into more of a wussy then he did a leader

 

[Spike_x1]

Lex did become President in the comics.

 

[not_a_victim]

I feel the first movie locked itself in a corner with several elements. I have the DVD on order and once I've seen it again, I will be able to critique the movie in a more detailed way (though The Complete Shooting Script book is heartbreaking enough in showing what was cut and what was left in that should have been cut!!!)

1. The Krypton exploration was cut out - how can it easily be used in a sequel when it relates specifically to the events in the first movie? Won't it feel disjointed and out of context?

2. Jason and Richard - they won't kill off the kid, they can't just shove Richard out of the picture or kill him (poor old James Marsden if they do, he was shoved aside enough in X-Men)

3. Lois - since they can't just get rid of Jason and Richard now they've been established, Superman's love for Lois seems doomed. It would be wrong to show Superman destroying the Lois/Richard relationship, it would be too contrived to show some other force destroying that relationship. Does Superman need a new love interest? If so, how do Lois, Richard and Jason fit in?

4. The crystals - they are on NK, which means no more Jor-El, no more communication/control system in the Fortress. Plus, Lex now knows where the Fortress is and he knows there is no security around it.

5. Lex - he is still at large, stuck on an island. He has tried to destroy billions of people so the chances of him becoming a more respectable corporate tycoon are zero.

Can all those issues be resolved? How?

1. I agree that either someone followed Supes home, or he picked up some sort of kyrptonian virus/bacteria that will give those it infects Kryptonian powers.
CAVEAT: Don't get me wrong, I don't want a rehash of the Kryptonian villians from the previous movies, but everyone knows/expects some other Kyrptonian to appear at some point. Possibly the virus/bacteria could create Bizarro.
2. I dont see the kid being killed, but I don't rule it out either. Jason's death could be the catalyst for Supes to defeat someone Darkseid, assuming Darkseid was responsible for Jason's death. It would play nicely on Supes' statement to Jason, "I'll always be around" if he infact, either was not around to prevent Jason's death, OR, had to watch helplessly, for whatever reason.
3. Lois. I think a lot of Lois' anger in the movie stemmed not from Supes leaving, but Supes returning. Sure, she had a child by him, and he up and left, but I think her anger stemmed from the fact that she wanted Supes back, but had put forth the public image that she didn't like/want him around anymore. I think "Why the World Does Not Need Superman" was a Freudian way for her to say "Why I Don't Need Superman." She was trying to convince herself that she didn't love/like/want him around. It is something to be resolved, but I think it will be relatively easy to do. I think bringing Lana Lang into the picture could spur Lois to quit lying to herself, get her rear in gear, and re-establish a realtionship with Supes.
4. Did Luthor take all the crystals? from the FOS? Maybe Supes could have brought some back from the "graveyard" that was Krypton? Dunno. Good one there.
Hoever, assuming Supes has a few or even one crystal left, the FOS could easily be moved, and this time, protected by 'rassling polar bears. ( If you don't know, don't ask.)
5. "At large" and "stuck on an island" seem to be mutually exclusive, but I understand what you mean. I could see Lex somehow realizing that Jason may be the only person on the planet that stands a chance of duking it out with Supes, and somehow making a plan out of that, but I see him (Lex) as no more than a minor character in the next movie.
Let's say Lex is somehow responsible for bringing either Doomsday, Bizarro, Jor-El, or a Oedipus-filled Jason to the movie. The bad guy should get out of his control, a'la Frankenstein's Monster, and should run amok without him.

 

[VenomsMom]

What issues....were they not resolved in SR? Huh? Was it not a happy ending? Were you all not satisfied? Who was not and why were you not? What questions do you need answered?

 

[not_a_victim]

What issues....were they not resolved in SR? Huh? Was it not a happy ending? Were you all not satisfied? Who was not and why were you not? What questions do you need answered?

Um, the ones above?
You do understand the principle of a FORUM, do you not?

 

[buggs0268]

1.I feel like maybe/hopefully they'll use the return to krypton scene to show that maybe he was followed back??

2.I would love to see the supervillian kidnappe jason in the sequel...it seems to me that supes accepted that Lois and richard were togeather and moved on..IMo.

3.again,imho i think he moved on from it..so i think/hope richard will be around for a while.

4.no mention of the father crystal in S.R...could he still have it?if so,he could create more crystals

5.that one is tricky..as far as I know,lois is the only witness besides Kitty and Jason..maybe Lois will be silent out of fear of Lex hurting jason??

In reality Lois, Richard and Jason would be in protective custody, and there would be a massive UN manhunt for Lex, as he tried to destroy not just one country, but others. I have a friend who had been a Ranger and he said that they would have a team specifically ready to go in on any intel and probably kill him first. And he felt so would the other countries too. He felt, like Osama, the price would be dead or alive, and most likely they would tell them to kill him and just bring back the body.

As far as his money, all of his assets would be imediately frozen, and he would not have access to it. He would never be able to reach any level of respectability and would probably be in hiding for the rest of his life, or affiliate himself with some group like Al Quaida.

 

[buggs0268]

What issues....were they not resolved in SR? Huh? Was it not a happy ending? Were you all not satisfied? Who was not and why were you not? What questions do you need answered?

Every damn one mentioned. It was not a happy ending and the Singer and the writers wrote themselves into a huge corner. If they had a plan for a sequel, they sure did work at writing themselves into that corner.

 

[buggs0268]

Wow this thread is almost like a who's who of banned users.

 

[matthooper]

Singer assumed both he and his writers from the first would continue a sequel with the same tone and continuity. A lot has changed since the films release. The writers are gone. If steps are eventually taken to start a sequel again, new writers will eventually be hired and a semi-new direction will be taken. Since these are new writers, they are obviously not Singer's writers. Singer's sequel story idea was rejected by the studio, which means the direction he was going to take with what they had created from the first is not happening.

Singer painted himself into a corner now because the direction he had been planning is not happening.

 

[buggs0268]

Yep. I think the rumors or a reboot are true when another Superman film happens. And sadly, Routh will not be in them to not tie it to the reboot story. Same with The Hulk's Eric Banna and The Incredible Hulk having Norton.

I think Singer was riding too much on his success with the X-Men movies, and the WB bought it as they kept having directors leaving the project while the superhero phenom was passing them by with their biggest one, and I believe he could have pitched them a story that was way worse and they would have signed him. He even said that it was the fastest deal signing he had ever seen, meaning they were desperate and he had a track record. Now the WB realizes what giving him cart blanche got them, and how they have to drop any notion of a direct sequel and reboot.

I believe he had two pitches for a sequel vetoed by the WB. Honestly, what that says to me is that they really don't want Singer, but they have him on contract where they have to pay him if they fire him, or anything other than him voluntarily leaving happens.

 

[matthooper]

Yep. I think the rumors or a reboot are true when another Superman film happens. And sadly, Routh will not be in them to not tie it to the reboot story. Same with The Hulk's Eric Banna and The Incredible Hulk having Norton.

I think Singer was riding too much on his success with the X-Men movies, and the WB bought it as they kept having directors leaving the project while the superhero phenom was passing them by with their biggest one, and I believe he could have pitched them a story that was way worse and they would have signed him. He even said that it was the fastest deal signing he had ever seen, meaning they were desperate and he had a track record. Now the WB realizes what giving him cart blanche got them, and how they have to drop any notion of a direct sequel and reboot.

I believe he had two pitches for a sequel vetoed by the WB. Honestly, what that says to me is that they really don't want Singer, but they have him on contract where they have to pay him if they fire him, or anything other than him voluntarily leaving happens.

I hadn't heard about two pitches, I had only heard of the one that was shot down and of course the writers "left". 2 pitches would make sense since 1 thumbs down by the studio is just a problem, 2 shoot downs are a nightmare for a writer.

I don't think the studio really cares about the contract with Singer, the ball is securely in the studios court. Like the film or hate it, the public nor the studio is in any hurry to make a sequel, if ever.

The fact is, now we will get a bunch of people calling us haters and someone will inevitably say, 'a sequel will be made whether you like it or not'. That may be, but it won't be Singer's original vision for it, that we know for sure since his story arc for the sequel was denied not once but maybe twice. My guess is that Singer has had enough.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Yep. I think the rumors or a reboot are true when another Superman film happens. And sadly, Routh will not be in them to not tie it to the reboot story. Same with The Hulk's Eric Banna and The Incredible Hulk having Norton.

I think Singer was riding too much on his success with the X-Men movies, and the WB bought it as they kept having directors leaving the project while the superhero phenom was passing them by with their biggest one, and I believe he could have pitched them a story that was way worse and they would have signed him. He even said that it was the fastest deal signing he had ever seen, meaning they were desperate and he had a track record. Now the WB realizes what giving him cart blanche got them, and how they have to drop any notion of a direct sequel and reboot.

I believe he had two pitches for a sequel vetoed by the WB. Honestly, what that says to me is that they really don't want Singer, but they have him on contract where they have to pay him if they fire him, or anything other than him voluntarily leaving happens.

I agree with these sentiments. At this point, I doubt a sequel will be made.

 

[buggs0268]

I honestly think they are stringing him along to get him to leave. He actually did have a very lucrative back end deal from SR if I remember correctly, and that is what also double stung him too in the studios eyes.

Oh, and MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! If you celebrate it great. If you don't, happy whatever you celebrate at this time of the year.

 

[X Knight]

i agree buggs.

I don't think Singer set out to intentionally "mess up" the new Superman franchise from the start. In his heart of hearts, I believe he just wanted to make a Superman movie that had a theme that resonated with him ( and to the SR fans out there ).

Now, maybe it was poor editing, storytelling, directing, or WB simply giving Singer too much free reign ( like buggs said, I feel WB was desperate for a "quality" director......especially one who just had CBM success with X1 and X2 ) or some combination of all of those.

Regardless, what may have been a good story on paper or in Singer's mind just didn't translate that effectively to the final product on the big screen ( much like Ang Lee's Hulk ).

And, just like the Hulk franchise, I wonder if WB is watching to see how well the new Hulk movie ( essentially a reboot ) will be received by critics and the GA. ( It also seems that the next Punisher movie will be a reboot, too ).

In any case, I think it is fairly obvious that something is "amiss" in the Superman franchise land. I mean, if the 1st film was so successful, by now, we should have some solid evidence that a sequel is going forward.

Yet, we have really nothing concrete......hence why most of us here are just passing around rumors or speculations......or just debating the issues in SR ad nauseum......lol

P.S. And Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!!

 

[wellsy]

Much as I like SR, I'm afraid that what has (or more accurately hasn't) indicates that MoS is in development hell.

Still, I can always hope. Nothing wrong in waiting for something that's never going to come. There are plenty of fundamentalists waiting for some bearded guys to ride a shaft of light and lead us all to the promised land... (I'm a Catholic, take it easy please. Self-depreciation is part of my character).

Anyways, Merry Christmas and a Happy 2008 for you all.

 

[gkokujin]

kill the kid.


that is all.

 

[Superman-Prime]

kill the kid.


that is all.

That would work for the sequel of Superman Returns. I'm hoping there is no REBOOT. I don't want that happen. I want the story to be continue from Superman Returns. Once it's a good idea to kill the kid, then Im sure the fans would be happy.

 

[I Am The Knight]

As usual, I'm still waiting to see what happens. Merry Christmas, everyone.

 

[That'ssuper!]

I feel the first movie locked itself in a corner with several elements. I have the DVD on order and once I've seen it again, I will be able to critique the movie in a more detailed way (though The Complete Shooting Script book is heartbreaking enough in showing what was cut and what was left in that should have been cut!!!)

1. The Krypton exploration was cut out - how can it easily be used in a sequel when it relates specifically to the events in the first movie? Won't it feel disjointed and out of context?

2. Jason and Richard - they won't kill off the kid, they can't just shove Richard out of the picture or kill him (poor old James Marsden if they do, he was shoved aside enough in X-Men)

3. Lois - since they can't just get rid of Jason and Richard now they've been established, Superman's love for Lois seems doomed. It would be wrong to show Superman destroying the Lois/Richard relationship, it would be too contrived to show some other force destroying that relationship. Does Superman need a new love interest? If so, how do Lois, Richard and Jason fit in?

4. The crystals - they are on NK, which means no more Jor-El, no more communication/control system in the Fortress. Plus, Lex now knows where the Fortress is and he knows there is no security around it.

5. Lex - he is still at large, stuck on an island. He has tried to destroy billions of people so the chances of him becoming a more respectable corporate tycoon are zero.

Can all those issues be resolved? How?

In regards to the original questions.

1.Forget about the Krypton exploration scene, there is no need to reexamine that when the audience knows where Superman went anyway. Just make it a DVD deleted scene.

2. Make Jason some sort of genetic clone or mutant or something who can die tragically at the end of the film. Make Richard still active with Lois until the end, after some involvement with a Supervillain make him want to leave because of all the secrets Lois kept from him, which he feels grief with the death of Jason, or forgives Lois and leaves her.

3. Superman decides to abandon his love interests at the beginning of the film in order to protect Jason and give Loise some piece, or at least he thinks that way. Once Richard and Jason are gone, she feels guilty not only for pushing Richard and Superman, but costing Jason his life with not addressing the secrets he came from.

4. Superman should recover the crystals himself, or a villain like Brainiac will bring them to him for a price, or gaining his trust. Such as an attempt to gain the knowledge inside the Fortress, or demanding Superman leave Earth or they will be used for global destruction.

5. Lex can help with something, such as somehow giving up the knowledge of Jason and the Fortress, or taking advantage of both for his own use.

 

[The Man of Steel]

a little bit on the the CGI effects