The Dark Knight Was Batman in this movie?

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Yeah man, MUCH less than in Batman Begins. Also, could not see the fighting and i still uphold that they forgot about Batman as a character in this film. It was really Dent's film with the rest just supporting.

You really gave quite a few of us a good laugh with this one!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The thread starter must have a thing for this sort of topic. He started a similar one in the Iron Man board after Iron Man was released titled, "Was this really Iron Man?" LOL

 

[ultimatefan]

If you don´t think Batman was important in this movie, you didn´t get the story. The whole story of the movie was built around the Bruce Wayne/Batman arc. His decision in the end was the culmination of everything that was built through the script.

 

[Cain]

Better than Returns, the only Batman in that film was in the title.

The only thing you probably understood about that movie was the title

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

although i won't comment on the quantity of time batman was on screen for, the quality of that batman is something to be desired.

sure it's still his early days and first confrontation with the joker but batman should expect anything from the criminals of gotham or at least should have started some contigency plans someway through the film.

He was consistently outsmarted, outintimidated, and outeverything by his surrounding cast. To be fair, if this was a story with gordon, joker and harvey alone, i don't think i would have minded.

batman was the least important aspect of the story or plot development.

 

[Cain]

hmm are you sure?

I thought he cast as a security guard in Hong Kong?

No you're thinking about Bat-Mite.

 

[Cain]

batman was the least important aspect of the story or plot development.

Batman's influence on his society & the effects of said influence awere the crutch of the themes presented in this film so how was he the least important aspect?

 

[SheldonLevene]

The only thing you probably understood about that movie was the title

I hate when people glorify Returns by saying how deep and artsy it was when in reality it was just a really bad film. p.s. It wasn't hard to understand.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

The only thing you probably understood about that movie was the title

haha, Plod got TOLD!!!

 

[Cain]

I hate when people glorify Returns by saying how deep and artsy it was when in reality it was just a really bad film. p.s. It wasn't hard to understand.

And I love how people always assume those of us who enjoy that film always preach about how "deep and artsy" it isn't when...wait a second the fact is I never did that. All I simply said was that all he got about it was the title which is probably the truth as the whole film is a commentary on Burton's interpretation of Batman. There is nothing "deep" or "artsy" about German Expressionism especially if you understand basic cinema. Matter of fact it's actually a fairly obvious and straightforward subgenre so no pretenses here just pointing out that the intentions of that film are some he's probably not even aware of.

 

[Bat-Mite]

although i won't comment on the quantity of time batman was on screen for, the quality of that batman is something to be desired.

sure it's still his early days and first confrontation with the joker but batman should expect anything from the criminals of gotham or at least should have started some contigency plans someway through the film.

He was consistently outsmarted, outintimidated, and outeverything by his surrounding cast. To be fair, if this was a story with gordon, joker and harvey alone, i don't think i would have minded.

In other words, you're upset that Batman had flaws? Oy vey. This is Batman, not Batgod. And if the Joker couldn't get the upper hand on Batman, then there'd really be no point in using him as a villain. He's the worst of the worst. The movie had to portray that and it did so rather well.

 

[Batman137]

I don'y have a problem with Batman. I felt there need to be more Bruce Wayne. Anyone else feel that way?

 

[hatebox]

This kind of thread is a natural reaction to all the plaudits Ledger is getting, but the fact is Batman was an absolutely necessary and effective anchor to this story, and Bale pulled off a difficult part with grace.

 

[SheldonLevene]

And I love how people always assume those of us who enjoy that film always preach about how "deep and artsy" it isn't when...wait a second the fact is I never did that. All I simply said was that all he got about it was the title which is probably the truth as the whole film is a commentary on Burton's interpretation of Batman. There is nothing "deep" or "artsy" about German Expressionism especially if you understand basic cinema. Matter of fact it's actually a fairly obvious and straightforward subgenre so no pretenses here just pointing out that the intentions of that film are some he's probably not even aware of.

If you believe this then why would Returns be a film that is difficult to understand? I get all that you are saying but I don't know why your first comment to him was that of sarcasm when all he was doing was making a true statement. Batman is not on screen very often in Batman Returns.

 

[Anjow1060]

I don'y have a problem with Batman. I felt there need to be more Bruce Wayne. Anyone else feel that way?

Oddly, enough, I felt that way towards the end for sure. Because the movie is so Batman oriented at the climax, there wasn't a "full" finale for Bruce Wayne. There was the plot of Reese and all, but that has nothing on the Mr. Earle storyline from Begins.

It would have been nice to have some Bruce Wayne in the last couple minutes, but I honestly have no clue where you would put it in without diminishing the urgency of the ending.

- Jow

 

[Paradyme]

Originally Posted by Paradyme
Okay I'm gonna do this for my own benefit because I'm curious. I'm not gonna go all fanatic and time the segments (unless someone wants to) but lets start with

Batman Begins: (not in order just as I remember)
Captures Falcone
Saves Rachel (brief)
Interrogates Flass (brief)
Finding the Drugs (Scarecrow sprays him)
Talks to Gordon (brief)
Fights Scarecrow Rooftop
Tumbler Escape
The Whole Climax (pretty long)

The Dark Knight:
Parking Garage/Scarecrow/Fake Batmen (brief)
Rooftop with Gordon & Dent (brief)
Batman/Gordon Bank (brief)
Hong Kong
Party Scene
Finger Print Scene (brief)
Club Scene/Maroni's Interrogation (brief)
Harvey & Batman (brief)
Chase Sequence
Interrogation Sequence
Save Rachel Scene/Harvey in Hospital
Batman & Lucius Discussion
Batman/Joker Ferry Boat Climax
Batman/Two Face End Scene/End Chase Scene

So, far without having these sequences timed, which if someone wants to do it, at least the Begins sequences I'd have to say we saw Batman more in The Dark Knight.

Edit: To Joker Sorry for "shaming" the thread.

Gold, also the fingerprints scene.

Thanks, forgot about that. That's before Maroni's interrogation right?

 

[Cain]

If you believe this then why would Returns be a film that is difficult to understand?

Last time I checked the only people who had this issue where those who only know comics and nothing else. When it comes to movie fans which is *surprise* who that movie was made to cater to everybody from casual movie goers to professional critics seems to understand it just fine.

I get all that you are saying but I don't know why your first comment to him was that of sarcasm when all he was doing was making a true statement. Batman is not on screen very often in Batman Returns.

Because it isn't a true statement firstly Batman is obviously around more so than the title which his "true statement" said otherwise. Secondly Batman's presence is all over that film even when he isn't on screen. It's not the first Batman story in comics or movies to use Gotham and it's residents as reflections of Batman himself and it won't be the last.

 

[The Chris]

Thanks, forgot about that. That's before Maroni's interrogation right?

Yes.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I hate when people glorify Returns by saying how deep and artsy it was when in reality it was just a really bad film. p.s. It wasn't hard to understand.

I will never see how BR even came up in this thread, and the fact your calling it a bad film, not a bad batman film, shows me you might not have that much knowledge about filmmaking at all.

Sure it wasnt a definitive batman film, or really a TRUE batman film at all but to call it a "really bad film" shows me alot about what you know.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I guess I must have nodded out but did I just dream I saw Batman in this movie? I'm almost quite certain he was.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Okay I'm gonna do this for my own benefit because I'm curious. I'm not gonna go all fanatic and time the segments (unless someone wants to) but lets start with

Batman Begins: (not in order just as I remember)
Captures Falcone
Saves Rachel (brief)
Interrogates Flass (brief)
Finding the Drugs (Scarecrow sprays him)
Talks to Gordon (brief)
Fights Scarecrow Rooftop
Tumbler Escape
The Whole Climax (pretty long)

The Dark Knight:
Parking Garage/Scarecrow/Fake Batmen (brief)
Rooftop with Gordon & Dent (brief)
Hong Kong
Party Scene
Club Scene/Maroni's Interrogation (brief)
Harvey & Batman (brief)
Chase Sequence
Interrogation Sequence
Save Rachel Scene/Harvey in Hospital
Batman & Lucius Discussion
Batman/Joker Ferry Boat Climax
Batman/Two Face End Scene/End Chase Scene

So, far without having these sequences timed, which if someone wants to do it, at least the Begins sequences I'd have to say we saw Batman more in The Dark Knight.

Edit: To Joker Sorry for "shaming" the thread.

Don't forget about the scene with Gordon in the bank.

Personally, it's thread like this that kinda kill my enjoyment of the movie. People just looking for flaws in a good movie.
He was one of the most important aspects of the movie. He carried the movie on his shoulders, and the decision he made at the end really developed his character, and will most likely bring out the best of him in BB3.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Yeah, it's amazing how eager people are to tear apart movies like this. It's so rare that a quality film like this comes around, especially when it comes to comic book movies. And when we do get it, people line up with their torches and pitchforks in protest and try to rip it apart? It's something I'll never understand. Sure is a cynical world we live in.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Don't forget about the scene with Gordon in the bank.

Personally, it's thread like this that kinda kill my enjoyment of the movie. People just looking for flaws in a good movie.
He was one of the most important aspects of the movie. He carried the movie on his shoulders, and the decision he made at the end really developed his character, and will most likely bring out the best of him in BB3.

I wouldn't let it get to you. There will always be the killjoys in this world who want to rain on the parade. This movie was still leagues better than last year's big offering from Michael Bay starring big piles of sentient scrap metal.

 

[Paradyme]

Gold, also the fingerprints scene.

Don't forget about the scene with Gordon in the bank.

Personally, it's thread like this that kinda kill my enjoyment of the movie. People just looking for flaws in a good movie.
He was one of the most important aspects of the movie. He carried the movie on his shoulders, and the decision he made at the end really developed his character, and will most likely bring out the best of him in BB3.

Damn...I'll add it in at the top of this Page (3)

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Yeah, it's amazing how eager people are to tear apart movies like this. It's so rare that a quality film like this comes around, especially when it comes to comic book movies. And when we do get it, people line up with their torches and pitchforks in protest and try to rip it apart? It's something I'll never understand. Sure is a cynical world we live in.

Exactly. It's almost as if they try not to enjoy it, and for those who do, they try not to let them.